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Old 18-07-21, 11:50 AM   #5041
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Actually I saw that Jamie Roberts picked a reasonable team.
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Normally going into the test match you’d have the majority of the side picked in your head but this one has so many tight calls. I don’t know if that is a good thing or bad thing - back 3, centre, scrum half, back row, AWJ conundrum, hooker, one of the props.......

Just saw Matt Dawson’s team and it was all England and no Scots in the team
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Normally going into the test match you’d have the majority of the side picked in your head but this one has so many tight calls. I don’t know if that is a good thing or bad thing - back 3, centre, scrum half, back row, AWJ conundrum, hooker, one of the props.......

Just saw Matt Dawson’s team and it was all England and no Scots in the team
Yeah saw that too Few pundits manage to stay genuinely neutral in these selections!

I agree it is very tough team to pick and loads of tight calls. It is going to be fascinating. Just hope we’ve got skin in the game!

The only certs for me are Furlong, Maro and Biggar.
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Yeah saw that too Few pundits manage to stay genuinely neutral in these selections!

I agree it is very tough team to pick and loads of tight calls. It is going to be fascinating. Just hope we’ve got skin in the game!

The only certs for me are Furlong, Maro and Biggar.
And I’d say Itoje is based on reputation rather than form
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2nd row is all about AWJ and if he starts. Henderson can feel unlucky if he doesn’t get a starting spot this weekend but I think Itoje will be in one of the spots and then it’ll depend on AWJ and his fitness.

SH is an interesting one as it’ll likely be Murray but not sure he’s actually playing that well at the moment. Biggar is nailed on at FH and rightly so.
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Yeah, my only worry with AWJ is fitness. Otherwise he is in there also but that’s 4 out of 15! There are some incredibly tough calls

But Gatland does make them - dropping O‘Driscoll etc.
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Sounds like AWJ will start.

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15: Williams
14: Adams
13: Harris
12: Farrell
11: Van Der Merwe
10: Biggar
9: Price
8: Faletau
7: Watson
6: Beirne
5: Jones
4: Itoje
3: Furlong
2: George
1: Jones

I've got Farrell in at 12, but I'm not entirely sure he should be there. Harris has been excellent, and I think Henshaw is probably the best centre in the squad but he seems to have missed a lot of the tour so far. I think the centre partnership is the tightest call of the lot.
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BIG DAVE!!!! Jesus, were have you been man!?!
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15: Williams
14: Adams
13: Harris
12: Farrell
11: Van Der Merwe
10: Biggar
9: Price
8: Faletau
7: Watson
6: Beirne
5: Jones
4: Itoje
3: Furlong
2: George
1: Jones

I've got Farrell in at 12, but I'm not entirely sure he should be there. Harris has been excellent, and I think Henshaw is probably the best centre in the squad but he seems to have missed a lot of the tour so far. I think the centre partnership is the tightest call of the lot.
They are all huge calls and I see the back 3 as the hardest one to call, they need someone to stop Kolbie
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You must have filtered out the Scots in your squad that’s the Irish, Welsh and English Lions.
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You must have filtered out the Scots in your squad that’s the Irish, Welsh and English Lions.
To be honest, if the following team was selected (appreciate Finn is injured), I wouldn't have any complaints:

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South Africa: Le Roux; Kolbe, Am, De Allende, Mapimpi; Pollard, De Klerk; Nche, Mbonambi, Nyakane, Etzebeth, Mostert, Kolisi (capt), Du Toit, Smith

Replacements: Marx, Kitshoff, Malherbe, De Jager, Elstadt, H Jantjies, E Jantjies, Willemse

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Pleased to see Pollard back. Perhaps surprising to see Elton given the nod ahead of Steyn, but I think it's the right choice. Morne controls a game better, but Jantjies can bring something extra. Other surprise is Kwagga Smith starting. Not sure about that tbh he's tiny compared to the other loose forwards and even though he has a heart of a gold, I always worry a bit about him after that red card in the Super Rugby final a few years back. Even though it could have happened to anyone and wasn't really his fault, I always reflect back to that. Wouldn't have minded seeing Jasper Wiese in the squad, he seems very handy but it makes sense he's not. The others have earned their stripes.

One could argue the front row on the bench should be starting, but you can't doubt the 'Bomb Squad' strategy given its success. Only worry is that they're clearly underdone in terms of competitive games, weirdly the Lions have probably played more together recently than the Boks. Probably reflected in the 5/3 split on the bench.
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Pleased to see Pollard back. Perhaps surprising to see Elton given the nod ahead of Steyn, but I think it's the right choice. Morne controls a game better, but Jantjies can bring something extra. Other surprise is Kwagga Smith starting. Not sure about that tbh he's tiny compared to the other loose forwards and even though he has a heart of a gold, I always worry a bit about him after that red card in the Super Rugby final a few years back. Even though it could have happened to anyone and wasn't really his fault, I always reflect back to that. Wouldn't have minded seeing Jasper Wiese in the squad, he seems very handy but it makes sense he's not. The others have earned their stripes.

One could argue the front row on the bench should be starting, but you can't doubt the 'Bomb Squad' strategy given its success. Only worry is that they're clearly underdone in terms of competitive games, weirdly the Lions have probably played more together recently than the Boks. Probably reflected in the 5/3 split on the bench.
He is the maverick the Lions are missing with Russell being injured. If you are chasing the game then he’s a good option
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He is the maverick the Lions are missing with Russell being injured. If you are chasing the game then he’s a good option
Smith is cut from a similar cloth to that of Russell so it's not a complete bust for the Lions in that regard.

The SA pack are a big lump, the Lions are going to have to be at their very best to compete and some of this will be down to how they adapt to how the ref runs the game in the scrums, give pens early on for infringements we need to learn and adapt to it and quickly.
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Smith is cut from a similar cloth to that of Russell so it's not a complete bust for the Lions in that regard.

The SA pack are a big lump, the Lions are going to have to be at their very best to compete and some of this will be down to how they adapt to how the ref runs the game in the scrums, give pens early on for infringements we need to learn and adapt to it and quickly.
And not take tap 5 yard pens - all about the pack setting the platform this one
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Supposed team

Hogg; A Watson, E Daly, R Henshaw, D van der Merwe; D Biggar, A Price; W Jones, L Cowan-Dickie, T Furlong, A W Jones (c), M Itoje, C Lawes, T Curry, J Conan.
Replacements K Owens, R Sutherland, K Sinckler, T Beirne, H Watson, I Henderson, C Murray, O Farrell.
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Supposed team

Hogg; A Watson, E Daly, R Henshaw, D van der Merwe; D Biggar, A Price; W Jones, L Cowan-Dickie, T Furlong, A W Jones (c), M Itoje, C Lawes, T Curry, J Conan.
Replacements K Owens, R Sutherland, K Sinckler, T Beirne, H Watson, I Henderson, C Murray, O Farrell.
Interesting. Miles away from what any pundits have chosen

I read an article on stats that had Conan as clear favourite for number 8. Lawes is a sensible choice as well for his physicality. Price is in better form than Murray. Curry with Watson on the bench works either way.

6-2 on the bench with Farrell covering centre and 10.

Duhan because he is physically dominant (and lest we forget was the top try scorer in the 6Ns).

It’s an exciting team.
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Daly and Henshaw is an interesting centre partnership.

No Liam Williams - had he played since he got monstered vs SA A? He’s a great player but I’ve not seen him play well for a while. That is a team picked based on form and physicality.
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Interesting side if true. Slightly surprised with Hogg at FB mainly due to the highball but he can make things happen. Watson I think is lucky to be in especially with the form Josh Adams has shown.

Murray hasn't been playing well tbh so Price coming in could work.

Big Toby in as 8 is a tad unlucky as well.

Anyway, fingers crossed if this is the side they've got enough about them to get at the Boks.
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Even if it’s not the side I would have picked I. And see the rationale behind it.

Josh Adams is an interesting case also. You could see the hype building for him and he did score a lot of try’s - but more than half were easy run ins against weak opponents. Still, it’s a massive call to not pick him.

It’s a massive MASSSIVE game for Ali Price. I love everything he does as a player and how he tries to play, but he was nowhere near this even 12 months ago. I think his games vs England and France and then how good he has been on tour has pushed him forward.

He is a very exciting 9 - I hope he seizes the opportunity.

Shame Cormack has stopped posting, I’d love to hear his views on this.
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Interesting side if true. Slightly surprised with Hogg at FB mainly due to the highball but he can make things happen. Watson I think is lucky to be in especially with the form Josh Adams has shown.

Murray hasn't been playing well tbh so Price coming in could work.

Big Toby in as 8 is a tad unlucky as well.

Anyway, fingers crossed if this is the side they've got enough about them to get at the Boks.
It keeps “us” all happy - we’ve all skin in the game now. Hogg I’m delighted for as he was robbed 4 years ago, the back 3 was so hard to call and Watson has been excellent (Adams is a big call), Daly is the most creative outside centre and kicks well but he is small if the Boks run at him, happy Price is in as he is on better form than Murray and I want to win, we are all wrong in the back row but Lawes will be big and physical as will Curry and two jackals in Beirne and Watson on the bench. Conan is solid and that’s what he wants I guess - must have been going well in training
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Even the likes of Henderson is unlucky to miss out. Farrell from the bench is about right at the moment, not deserving of a starting spot but he can cover a couple of positions which is a real benefit ( as is having Daly in the squad)
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Daly also because of how far he can kick, between him and Hogg (though Daly more accurate) pens from even inside our half become a possibility. Getting points is crucial so a clear headed captain is important and with that I’m mind it’s good that it’s AWJ.
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It keeps “us” all happy - we’ve all skin in the game now. Hogg I’m delighted for as he was robbed 4 years ago, the back 3 was so hard to call and Watson has been excellent (Adams is a big call), Daly is the most creative outside centre and kicks well but he is small if the Boks run at him, happy Price is in as he is on better form than Murray and I want to win, we are all wrong in the back row but Lawes will be big and physical as will Curry and two jackals in Beirne and Watson on the bench. Conan is solid and that’s what he wants I guess - must have been going well in training
I now move on from being worried we don’t have any starters to hoping they don’t fuck up

Yeah when you see it written down, as a team it makes a lot of sense. Not one that anyone would have had a hope in hell of predicting a year ago.
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Shame Cormack has stopped posting, I’d love to hear his views on this.
Been waiting for his comments myself. I hope he's okay.

I see Jacques has said that Kwagga does the same things as Duane Vermeulen, just in a different way. Don't agree with that, but the public endorsement is always a positive thing. His 7s background and running definitely gives some advantages. Reminds me a bit of Keegan Daniel in some ways who was hugely underused in the Bok set up during his career.
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I now move on from being worried we don’t have any starters to hoping they don’t fuck up

Yeah when you see it written down, as a team it makes a lot of sense. Not one that anyone would have had a hope in hell of predicting a year ago.
DVDM and Hogg will be bombarded + Faf will be in Price’s ear - am sure they’ll step up and two more to be capped off the bench. Daly’s long kicking and versatility allows for the 6-2 bench also
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Been watching some of the old lions tests vs SA. What a player Joost Van Der Westhuizen was
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Been watching some of the old lions tests vs SA. What a player Joost Van Der Westhuizen was
Reminds me of prime Conor Murray





Joost was special and he had the height to go with it
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Yeah - a true Rugby icon. Incredible player.
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What a man, great player. Giant for a scrum half too when you consider he started in the non-pro era. Stransky often gets the credit for his dropkick in the 95 WC final, rightfully so but Joost's hands and quick pass was also excellent. I can't believe how frail he was later in life. MND is seriously one of the worst things that can happen to someone. He went from strong to nothing in a few years.

From the last tour the heroes for me were Jacques Fourie, the Beast and Heinrich Brüssow.
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Also, not really sure if it's appropriate given his how it ended up for him. But he went hard and was active on the party scene. Saw him around a few clubs in Joburg at the end of his career and early retirement. Was often fucked up, apparently had quite the nose for the cat (think you guys in the UK call it m-cat) and was often seen with much younger girls (presumably often strippers and hookers) . Had a well publicised divorce, but his reputation was saved by his disease.

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The MND is bloody awful, the pictures of him towards the end are awful to see. Doddy Weir who Buzzo will be able to give far more info about has the same disease.
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Some recent research suggests a higher rate of MND in elite athletes.
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