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Old 13-01-22, 11:22 PM   #321
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Old 13-01-22, 11:27 PM   #322
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Just a mention for the forgotten man. I think we really missed Origi today. He does well in this competition and he has the attributes to break the low block.
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Old 13-01-22, 11:28 PM   #323
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37 crosses ffs and woeful set pieces delivery
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Old 13-01-22, 11:30 PM   #324
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A team down to 10 man packs out the defence and tries to make it as hard to score as possible. It's not unknown for us to struggle against 11 men when their game plan is to also drop back and defend their way to a result. We're set up to use pace to exploit space - if there's no space to attack we end up shuffling the ball around for large parts of the game looking clueless.
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Old 13-01-22, 11:34 PM   #325
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Robbo, TAA, Alisson, Fabinho, Salah are all capable of playing the best football of their careers again, but I don't think any of the other regular first teamers are ever getting back to their best unfortunately and are on a decline, be it through injury or age or just a consistent lack of form.

We need big investment, it's run its course. Being in the running up until December is what we regularly used to do before Klopp arrived, and the fact that we kept up with City until then should not be an endorsement of the squad being better than some of us think. The writing was on the wall last season, and it's there again now.

Nothing is getting better without new faces, nothing at all, it's only going to get worse. FSG need to invest.
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Old 14-01-22, 12:21 AM   #326
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We have a few players who are on a decline, and a few who are not quite good enough.
Take out mane and salah and we are seriously struggling.
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Old 14-01-22, 01:17 AM   #327
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I agree that the squad is generally in a downward trend due to age and injury of key players, but a couple of good signings could make the picture seem far less concerning and reduce the reliance on the names mentioned. It’s getting increasingly urgent though.

People rightly question where we would be without salah, but where would we be without the jota signing, he’s come in and scored a goal every other game?
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Old 14-01-22, 01:37 AM   #328
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Then FSG need to dip their hands in their pockets...but they won't as all the money we make goes stateside....
Pretty sure they have taken nothing out of the club.
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Old 14-01-22, 05:54 AM   #329
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Awful, awful performance. 70 mins against 10 men and don't even get a shot on target. That is a disgrace.

Hendo is getting worse. Needs dropping but we have no bodies in midfield.

Milner is done. Shouldn't be anywhere near the first team now, but our fucking tightwad owners refuse to upgrade the side.

Minamino will get all the abuse, but he did more in that game than Jota and Firmino combined. Both of them offered fuck all. Barely even noticed Firmino was playing he was that pointless. Runs around doing karate kicks closing players down like it makes a difference

Matip was our most attacking player which says something.

TAA looked leggy as fuck, covid looks to have ruined him again.

Robbo's crossing has gone to shit. Absolutely awful.

FK's and corners. WHAT THE FUCK ARE THESE TWATS DOING?? How can you fuck up literally every single corner and FK? Not even one got near being put in a dangerous spot. Its a total disgrace. Its one of the easiest ways to create a chance and put their defenders under pressure and they just waste them! They clearly do not practice attacking dead ball routines at all.

If that game doesn't point out to FSG how much we need some fresh blood then nothing will. Minamino isn't good enough, Milner and Hendo are looking their ages more and more by the day and our options off the bench are relegation fodder levels bad.
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Old 14-01-22, 09:08 AM   #330
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Awful, awful performance. 70 mins against 10 men and don't even get a shot on target. That is a disgrace.



Hendo is getting worse. Needs dropping but we have no bodies in midfield.



Milner is done. Shouldn't be anywhere near the first team now, but our fucking tightwad owners refuse to upgrade the side.



Minamino will get all the abuse, but he did more in that game than Jota and Firmino combined. Both of them offered fuck all. Barely even noticed Firmino was playing he was that pointless. Runs around doing karate kicks closing players down like it makes a difference



Matip was our most attacking player which says something.



TAA looked leggy as fuck, covid looks to have ruined him again.



Robbo's crossing has gone to shit. Absolutely awful.



FK's and corners. WHAT THE FUCK ARE THESE TWATS DOING?? How can you fuck up literally every single corner and FK? Not even one got near being put in a dangerous spot. Its a total disgrace. Its one of the easiest ways to create a chance and put their defenders under pressure and they just waste them! They clearly do not practice attacking dead ball routines at all.



If that game doesn't point out to FSG how much we need some fresh blood then nothing will. Minamino isn't good enough, Milner and Hendo are looking their ages more and more by the day and our options off the bench are relegation fodder levels bad.


Can't say I disagree with any of the above tbh.
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Old 14-01-22, 09:33 AM   #331
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100%. It's woeful. With or without Mo.
That doesnít tell the whole story though, for example one of those games was the 5-0 thrashing of united, another was the Athleti game where we were already 2-0 when they had a player sent off. The other game was the away game against Athleti but we still won that game. Canít remember the other.

The big disappointment was the Chelsea game.
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Old 14-01-22, 09:37 AM   #332
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Pretty sure they have taken nothing out of the club.
Or put anything in. The aim was always to grow us and sell at some point, recent valuations are pushing $3b, a better rate of return on their £300m than they'll get anywhere else.

The sell to spend model is worrying and where all of our current problems come from. With a squad lacking numbers in real world class talent, it means we'll have to sell one of our top players with value in order to replace them. That means its going to be very difficult to build a squad with enough depth as your pretty much replacing like for like. We've done it once, but the market looks really difficult now with top youngsters going for ridiculously high fees to the usual suspects and some sides just exploiting loopholes, Chelsea for example have 21 players out on loan.

The only players I see with enough potential value to fund a decent incoming transfer who haven't really performed for some time is Mane and.... VVD (only on the basis that I don't think we'll see him reach the pre injury heights of form due to his age and the injury itself). Another to a lesser extent (as in having a lesser value) is Firmino.

They're probably seeing Salah as the only player we have which would fund a couple of BIG incoming transfers, but they know we'd all go crackers if they sold him on.

Our owners won't put their hands in their pockets so we have to accept that a few of our regular faces will have to be sold in the summer, that's the reality.
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Old 14-01-22, 09:49 AM   #333
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To be fair to bobby he did what he does, draws players out for other to run in to, aswel as joining up the play.

problem last night was that no one ran in to the holes he created; thats not his fault it's down to jota, taki, hendeson, milner (who was by far the worst player on the pitch)
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Old 14-01-22, 10:13 AM   #334
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It was so painful to watch. It highlighted just how thin our squad is. Quality wise anyway.
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Old 14-01-22, 10:14 AM   #335
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It was so painful to watch. It highlighted just how thin our squad is. Quality wise anyway.
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Pretty sure they have taken nothing out of the club.


Yep this is true for the most part. They are not takers of big dividends etc like say the owners of Man U.

Their way to make money off of the club is to increase the value until it's value hits whatever number they cannot say no to an offer of.

Probably not the day to be saying it, but they have been pretty good owners for the most part and certainly from a running of the club POV. In any other era, other than one with Oil states and the like floating about distorting things, they would be getting lauded as a model for how the financial side of a football club should be run.


At the same time, I do wish we looked like getting some fresh blood in though even it were the getting of a few players that would cost less due to being close to the end of their current contracts at their clubs.
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Old 14-01-22, 10:25 AM   #337
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Not sure why it took so long for us to realise that playing with width might be a good idea? We looked much better with Jones (who I thought looked dangerous) and Neco hugging the touchline. Sadly it was all too little, too late
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Not sure why it took so long for us to realise that playing with width might be a good idea? We looked much better with Jones (who I thought looked dangerous) and Neco hugging the touchline. Sadly it was all too little, too late
I said in the Minamino thread I don't think the forwards really had a role, we had 3 forwards who all wanted to play through the middle. It feels like that forward line was picked because they are our only available forwards. Mane and Salah go wide and help the full backs even if the come inside alot. The front three last night weren't going into wide areas at all.

I think for the remaining games with the guys away at the ACN we need to play Jota as the main man and get a system working that gets the best out of him, personally I think that probably involves at least one of Firmino and Minamino on the bench with someone like Jones in the front 3 and Origi if he's fit, if he isn't not sure who should play there.
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Old 14-01-22, 11:14 AM   #339
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Yeah Jota up top, Bobby in a proper 10 role, Jones left & Gordon (prob too early) or Ox right side.

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Grim viewing last night.

Our setpieces were garbage - and what's happened to our preCovid ability to score some easy goals from corners?! I can't remember Virg getting his head on our offensive corners this season.
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Oddly i saw a stat we were joint top scorers from corners (8) this season. Seems a long time since the last one
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was just about to post that; weird isn't it as when watching i have no expectation that we will score
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Old 14-01-22, 12:09 PM   #343
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Total shite - Klopp needs to sort this!

Why were there no runners on the flanks? So many opportunities to slip a ball inside the full backs but no takers.

Man City score 50% of their goals this way!
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Oddly i saw a stat we were joint top scorers from corners (8) this season. Seems a long time since the last one
Mental stat given what feels like the last thirty corners I've seen haven't even cleared the first defender. Robbo and Trent are both well off it with corners. Bring back McAllilster and Bellamy. Hell, even Kuyt's corners were special by comparison...

Agree it feels like an eternity since we scored a CB header from a corner
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Mental stat given what feels like the last thirty corners I've seen haven't even cleared the first defender. Robbo and Trent are both well off it with corners. Bring back McAllilster and Bellamy. Hell, even Kuyt's corners were special by comparison...

Agree it feels like an eternity since we scored a CB header from a corner
Even Aspas'
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Everyone is talking about Robbos delivery but he created our two best chances last night, for Jota on the red card plaus he played Taki in (not on the OG).

His corners are pretty wank tho One at the end was brutal. A proper daisy cutter.
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Old 14-01-22, 11:28 PM   #347
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I actually thought Milner was worse.....itís staggering we gave him a pay rise and extension
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I actually thought Milner was worse.....itís staggering we gave him a pay rise and extension
He is ready for putting in and Iceland lasagne #horsemeat
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I said in the Minamino thread I don't think the forwards really had a role, we had 3 forwards who all wanted to play through the middle. It feels like that forward line was picked because they are our only available forwards. Mane and Salah go wide and help the full backs even if the come inside alot. The front three last night weren't going into wide areas at all.

I think for the remaining games with the guys away at the ACN we need to play Jota as the main man and get a system working that gets the best out of him, personally I think that probably involves at least one of Firmino and Minamino on the bench with someone like Jones in the front 3 and Origi if he's fit, if he isn't not sure who should play there.
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May as well just use this thread again for the next Arsenal game.

I guess we need to go with a similar team to last night? They will start to be getting used to each other. Assists for TAA and Robbo yesterday which is a good sign. I know everyone bangs on about our corners, but that was another corner goal yesterday, we had loads of corners and I thought in general our delivery was decent.

Jota was unlucky not to score at least one.

I reckon we need to rest Matip. And it would be good for Gomez morale.

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May as well just use this thread again for the next Arsenal game.

I guess we need to go with a similar team to last night? They will start to be getting used to each other. Assists for TAA and Robbo yesterday which is a good sign. I know everyone bangs on about our corners, but that was another corner goal yesterday, we had loads of corners and I thought in general our delivery was decent.

Jota was unlucky not to score at least one.

I reckon we need to rest Matip. And it would be good for Gomez morale.

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AB

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Fab
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Ox/Minamino


The corner thing is a myth really. Think we have scored the highest or second highest number of goals from corners this season.


Think I would go with more or less the same team as you if Origi is not back.

Only changes I might make to your team is maybe Konate for Gomez (depending on who looks better in training) and the same with Roberston and Tsmikas.
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Providing Ox is fit, same as yesterday.

No place for Gomez or sentiment for a semi final
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Providing Ox is fit, same as yesterday.

No place for Gomez or sentiment for a semi final
Tell that to Matips knees!

Gomez played well when he came on, and if its not this game then it will be the Palace one.

I'd thought Konate was injured - so possibly it will be him who features, maybe vs. Palace.
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Tsimikas (or whatever) as lb and Robbo at left midfield?
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The corner thing is a myth really. Think we have scored the highest or second highest number of goals from corners this season.
Yes and no. We scored almost all of that number in our opening 9 or 10 games and then hardly scored from any since, despite averaging in or around double figures for corners per game.

If they were spread out across the season we wouldnít be complaining, but we went from a prolonged abnormally high conversion rate to a longer incredibly bad one.
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We had 9 corners, all out swingers barring the one we scored from which was delivered by Trent from the left side. An inswinger

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Big game on Sunday away to Palace. Win that and the pressure's back on City.

My team:

Kelleher

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Tsimikas (or whatever) as lb and Robbo at left midfield?
By left midfield do you mean left of the front 3? If yes Iíd prefer Tsimikas tbh - he is more skilful and we know Robbo shits the bed when he gets a sight of goal.
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We need to play much better than the first leg to come away with a place in the final. Not an easy game with the form they've been in of late - I'm hoping them not playing at the weekend is actually worse for them and their rhythm.

Need a strong line-up for this and whoever's left standing can play Palace at the weekend... be nice to be in with a chance of a domestic cup for a change...
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