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Old 28-11-19, 04:51 PM   #1921
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The verdict is what it is, a jury decision on specific charges. It's tragic that he hasn't been held responsible for his clear failings in any meaningful way, whether manslaughter or not.
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Old 28-11-19, 04:55 PM   #1922
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Old 28-11-19, 05:14 PM   #1923
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That's that then 96 people were found to have been unlawfully killed but no one is to blame. Fuck right off.
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Old 28-11-19, 05:49 PM   #1924
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Old 28-11-19, 05:57 PM   #1925
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The verdict is what it is, a jury decision on specific charges. It's tragic that he hasn't been held responsible for his clear failings in any meaningful way, whether manslaughter or not.
I always thought the chances of a manslaughter verdict were slim

The trial gave everyone hope though
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Old 28-11-19, 05:59 PM   #1926
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Unbelievable!!!
Not really I expected this

The moment he wasnt convicted first time round it made this one more likely

I personally felt the chances of him being convicted were slim
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Old 28-11-19, 07:19 PM   #1927
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I heard the judges summing up and his guidance to the jury yesterday and kind of guessed the rest.
Please dont convict my mate who is also a mason etc...
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Old 28-11-19, 07:42 PM   #1928
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if 96 coppers died someone would carry the can if 96 middle class kids died someone would carry the can so not shocked by this in any way
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Old 28-11-19, 09:24 PM   #1929
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There's some really nasty comments on the internet tonight. Fans getting blamed again.
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Old 28-11-19, 09:33 PM   #1930
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I heard the judges summing up and his guidance to the jury yesterday and kind of guessed the rest.
Please dont convict my mate who is also a mason etc...
Even before that it was a long shot

Just look what is needed to show a guilty negligence mansalughter it's a very high bar

I didnt fancy a guilty vedict even before it went to trial
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Old 28-11-19, 09:40 PM   #1931
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Margaret Aspinall is absolutely incredible. It's heartbreaking how fucking amazing she manages to be.
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Old 28-11-19, 09:41 PM   #1932
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There's some really nasty comments on the internet tonight. Fans getting blamed again.
Fuck em

I was at Hillsborough and was in the crush outside the Leppings Lane End

Not a day goes by that I am not grateful for surviving that and it was literally by the scruff of my collar that I didnt end up down that tunnel

One of my mates who I played footie with died there

The inquest verdict was huge for me, I felt the stuff I had been saying for years to accuses was thoroughly vindicated

The trials gave the families hope but it was always a long shot imo
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Old 28-11-19, 09:42 PM   #1933
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Margaret Aspinall is absolutely incredible. It's heartbreaking how fucking amazing she manages to be.
Shes amazing. She has enormous strength of character
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Old 28-11-19, 09:51 PM   #1934
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To be honest I would have been very surprised if he was found guilty, so am not surprised at the verdict. Personally I just don't think that there is enough proof that he was solely responsible and that his incompetence wasn't caused by a lack of training etc where it could be argued that he ultimately wasn't responsible (or at least that could be argued).

I imagine that a charge of corporate manslaughter against South Yorkshire Police would be successful if one could be brought, but this isn't possible because such a law didn't exist in 1989. The families have to work within this framework, so ultimately I think we are going to be left with the situation where 96 people were unlawfully killed, but no-one will ever be held responsible.
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Old 28-11-19, 10:06 PM   #1935
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To be honest I would have been very surprised if he was found guilty, so am not surprised at the verdict. Personally I just don't think that there is enough proof that he was solely responsible and that his incompetence wasn't caused by a lack of training etc where it could be argued that he ultimately wasn't responsible (or at least that could be argued).

I imagine that a charge of corporate manslaughter against South Yorkshire Police would be successful if one could be brought, but this isn't possible because such a law didn't exist in 1989. The families have to work within this framework, so ultimately I think we are going to be left with the situation where 96 people were unlawfully killed, but no-one will ever be held responsible.
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Old 28-11-19, 10:12 PM   #1936
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It should not be about responsibility but accountability. As the senior police officer in charge, he was accountable certainly for the Police actions on the day and arguably for the coordination of all the emergency services along with oversight of the stewards too.

So Duckenfield was the sole accountable individual on the day 96 people were unlawfully killed....

For me anything less than a custodial sentence for this self confessed liar is criminal.
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Old 28-11-19, 11:17 PM   #1937
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The alteration of police pocket (evidence) books and statements has conveniently been swept then.
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Old 28-11-19, 11:32 PM   #1938
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The alteration of police pocket (evidence) books and statements has conveniently been swept then.
It hasn't been that trial is in April
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Old 29-11-19, 12:10 AM   #1939
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It hasn't been that trial is in April
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Old 29-11-19, 12:19 AM   #1940
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It should not be about responsibility but accountability. As the senior police officer in charge, he was accountable certainly for the Police actions on the day and arguably for the coordination of all the emergency services along with oversight of the stewards too.

So Duckenfield was the sole accountable individual on the day 96 people were unlawfully killed....

For me anything less than a custodial sentence for this self confessed liar is criminal.
Incompetence is different to negligence in the eyes of the law

I fully expected this. It doesn't ease the disappointment but I would have been shocked if he had been found guilty
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Old 29-11-19, 12:36 AM   #1941
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What I don't understand is I thought the inquest in 2016 found him guilty to a criminal standard? Didn't he even admit it was his fault?

So has that judgement now been wiped out in this trial?
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Old 29-11-19, 12:37 AM   #1942
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Double post.
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Old 29-11-19, 12:38 AM   #1943
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What I don't understand is I thought the inquest in 2016 found him guilty to a criminal standard? Didn't he even admit it was his fault?

So has that judgement now been wiped out in this trial?
Just seen a fb post from pete hooton...
Duckenfield at the Warrington inquests in 2016 admitting culpability.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...00001898873567
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Old 29-11-19, 10:01 AM   #1944
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Old 04-12-19, 02:54 AM   #1945
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For anyone looking for a summary, this is excellent. Traumatic, but excellent...

https://www.theguardian.com/football...weekly-special
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