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Old 16-09-13, 10:30 PM   #1
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I predict this team to start first match:

Cook
Root
Trott
KP
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I think there will be close moments in this series, but if we perform to our potential we should win comfortably.
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Old 16-09-13, 10:49 PM   #2
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I think Stokes is going to be awesome

Big winter for Trott and Root. Both need runs.
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Old 16-09-13, 11:05 PM   #3
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As does Cook.

Not sure about Stokes getting in that position as Bairstow and Taylor appear to be ahead of him in the test team.

Rankin does look like an option on the bouncy pitches but Botham made a good point in that the development/A squad are touring close by so any replacements can come from that squad and won't be at home undercooked.

Personally I think we will draw the series.
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Old 16-09-13, 11:21 PM   #4
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Cook needs runs, but he's captain and another poor series wouldn't put his place under pressure like it would Trott and Root. On the subject of Trott, he reached 40 something like 3 times in the last series, which isn't a bad lean stretch in which he was unlucky to get caught down the leg side a couple of times and was on the rough end of an lbw decision.

Bairstow has had his chance and he didn't take it and I think Stokes has moved ahead of Taylor after his performance in the last couple of one dayers. He's a potential superstar and will give us a proper 5th option with the ball, is dynamite in the field and can be a destructive lower middle order batsman. Without a stand out number 6 candidate I think they'll give him an opportunity.

I think Australia could potentially go into the series with a weaker side. No Pattison and no Starc is blow, while Harris is not guaranteed to be fit. And I don't believe the current hype about Johnson who I think still has it all to prove with the red ball. As for their batting, Watson is still a walking lbw, Clarke's back is playing up again and Warner and Smith still haven't proved themselves.

Man for man we are a better side and I think unless we play badly we should win the series comfortably. However, if we bat like dick heads again then it will be a close series and Australia will have a chance.

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Old 17-09-13, 12:07 PM   #5
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I think Smith did pretty well this past summer. I guess he could do more with the ball though.
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Old 17-09-13, 01:52 PM   #6
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I think Smith did pretty well this past summer. I guess he could do more with the ball though.
He did do pretty well, but that is the first time he has done anything of note with the bat in the long format of the game. Still plenty to do to prove he's a top player, IMO.
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Old 17-09-13, 11:37 PM   #7
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As does Cook.

Not sure about Stokes getting in that position as Bairstow and Taylor appear to be ahead of him in the test team.

Rankin does look like an option on the bouncy pitches but Botham made a good point in that the development/A squad are touring close by so any replacements can come from that squad and won't be at home undercooked.

Personally I think we will draw the series.
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Cook needs runs, but he's captain and another poor series wouldn't put his place under pressure like it would Trott and Root. On the subject of Trott, he reached 40 something like 3 times in the last series, which isn't a bad lean stretch in which he was unlucky to get caught down the leg side a couple of times and was on the rough end of an lbw decision.

Bairstow has had his chance and he didn't take it and I think Stokes has moved ahead of Taylor after his performance in the last couple of one dayers. He's a potential superstar and will give us a proper 5th option with the ball, is dynamite in the field and can be a destructive lower middle order batsman. Without a stand out number 6 candidate I think they'll give him an opportunity.

I think Australia could potentially go into the series with a weaker side. No Pattison and no Starc is blow, while Harris is not guaranteed to be fit. And I don't believe the current hype about Johnson who I think still has it all to prove with the red ball. As for their batting, Watson is still a walking lbw, Clarke's back is playing up again and Warner and Smith still haven't proved themselves.

Man for man we are a better side and I think unless we play badly we should win the series comfortably. However, if we bat like dick heads again then it will be a close series and Australia will have a chance.
Got that wrong, Trott actually reached 40 on 5 occasions during the ashes
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That's bonkers. We don't need more reviews.

I quite like the runners rule though, and I'm not so against the bad light rule either.
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Old 23-09-13, 12:33 PM   #10
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Ashes: Gary Ballance, Ben Stokes, Boyd Rankin in England squad

England have given Yorkshire batsman Gary Ballance a surprise call-up to their Ashes squad to tour Australia this winter.

The 23-year-old left-hander, who was born in Zimbabwe, is uncapped at Test level and has only played a single one-day international for England.

All-rounder Ben Stokes and bowler Boyd Rankin, who are also yet to play at Test level, are in the squad as well.

Spinner Monty Panesar and batsman Michael Carberry are also included.
However, seamers Tim Bresnan and Graham Onions miss out, as does opener Nick Compton.

England squad: Alastair Cook (captain), Joe Root, Jonathan Trott, Kevin Pietersen, Ian Bell, Gary Ballance, Michael Carberry, Jonny Bairstow, Matt Prior (vice-captain), Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann, James Anderson, Ben Stokes, Monty Panesar, Boyd Rankin, Steven Finn, Chris Tremlett.
Bresnan must be fucked to not even make the squad and I am surprised Onions didn't get in.

The Wicketkeeper cover must be coming from the other squad as I can't believe we would pin it on Bairstow if Prior gets injured.
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Bresnan is travelling with them though - looks like it is just a way to get in the necessary cover. I would imagine if he recovered fully he would come into contention.
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Ah that makes sense then.

Apart from Anderson we have gone for a load of big quick lads who will hit the deck hard.
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Old 23-09-13, 10:38 PM   #13
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Carberry, who has scored one Championship century in two seasons of Division Two cricket, has been preferred to Nick Compton, who has scored six Division One centuries and two more in Test cricket in the same period and is more than two-years younger.
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Isn't Carberry also wicketkeeping cover?
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Isn't Carberry also wicketkeeping cover?
No, he's just an opening batsman, but I suppose they could play him at 6.

Bairstow is the back up wicketkeeper, which is mental considering he hasn't really kept wicket all summer for England or even Yorkshire.
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Feel bad for Onions. Think he's had a real rough deal.

Pleased though to see Tremlett and Stokes in...and to a lesser extent Carberry.
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No, he's just an opening batsman, but I suppose they could play him at 6.

Bairstow is the back up wicketkeeper, which is mental considering he hasn't really kept wicket all summer for England or even Yorkshire.
Oh ok, I must have misunderstood or misheard what Vaughan was saying on the radio.

Bairstow though, it's genetic. Although he's not as fat as his dad was.
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Feel bad for Onions. Think he's had a real rough deal.

Pleased though to see Tremlett and Stokes in...and to a lesser extent Carberry.
Yeah, feel bad for Onions too, I think he probably should have gone because he is the best Anderson replacement we have. I'm not totally surprised though because if he was ever going to play for England again he would have been picked for the Test Match at Durham. His county record is fantastic but I've not seen him bowl apart from one test match last summer where I thought he'd lost a yard of pace since his injury and looked largely ineffectual. I think the selectors have moved on.

I put Tremlett in the same category. I've not seen him bowl, but by all accounts he too has lost a yard of pace since his injury and hasn't look anywhere near as menacing. His figures for his county this summer are pretty modest too. If they wanted to take him to Australia then they should've picked him for the Oval Test Match to have a proper look at him. Barring injury there is only 1 seamer spot up for grabs and I'd imagine Finn and Rankin are ahead of him at the moment and so he'll have to bowl bloody well in the warm up games to jump ahead of them in the pecking order.

IMO Carberry is a ridiculous pick. I thought he looked ropey in the one day games, in his one decent score (60 odd) he played a missed about a hundred times! His form with the red ball this summer has been poor too and I just don't understand what he is doing in the squad. If they wanted to take another opener then it should have been Compton. Is it is sign they are worried about Root and are considering moving him down the order?

I still think Stokes could bat at 6, but maybe they'll give Balance a chance, Vaughan certainly rates him very highly.
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Carberry's pick on the face of it isn't very inspiring - as you say his numbers in the longer form are not impressive. However I saw him play two memorable and utterly explosive innings on summer's evenings in the last few months. Two of the best knocks I've seen, scoring all round the ground. The guy is very aggressive and has all the shots. I've long lamented our painstaking scoring rates, especially at the top of the order, and I'm guessing the selectors like the option he could give us. Bit of a short-term punt, but I'm happy to see us pick a very attacking batsman.
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Carberry's pick on the face of it isn't very inspiring - as you say his numbers in the longer form are not impressive. However I saw him play two memorable and utterly explosive innings on summer's evenings in the last few months. Two of the best knocks I've seen, scoring all round the ground. The guy is very aggressive and has all the shots. I've long lamented our painstaking scoring rates, especially at the top of the order, and I'm guessing the selectors like the option he could give us. Bit of a short-term punt, but I'm happy to see us pick a very attacking batsman.
He's had a terrific white ball season
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Completely bizarre thing to do. Genuinely looks like he's trying to boot the lad and not just the turf.
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Yeah looks like he waits for him to get close then has a mad hack.

Seems to be a bit troubled at the moment, not sure retweeting Piers Morgan helps.

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Clarke a doubt for the first test. Bad backs are tough, once you've got one then that's pretty much it and all you can do is manage it. I don't think there are many more years in Clarke and the Aussies will really struggle without him. I reckon he'll retire after the World Cup.
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Is Haddin the vice captain?
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Less than 2 months and I'll be sat at the gabba for 2 days, in the Brissie sunshine, drinking beer and watching the lads

My new job at work as me sat next to an absolutely massive Aussie cricket fan, who's not going for the first time in memory, because hes so fucked off with the state of Aussie cricket. So that's the rest of the series sorted too
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The Australians didn't cope with Ian Bell very well either. Are Channel Nine going to try to axe him too?
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KP has made a right cunt of Wilshere on twitter today. Not exactly hard to do, but kudos nonetheless.
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Someone may want to flick over to Sky Sports and watch Ind trying to chase 359 against Australia in an ODI. Crazy game so far. Unfortunately I can't watch!
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Hilarious innings

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Great article where Gower reminisces about his Ashes history:

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When I look back now, I feel incredibly fortunate. While batsmen like Graeme Hick had to make their introduction into Test cricket against a formidable West Indies attack, I had a relatively comfortable start against Pakistan and New Zealand attacks which were good but not threatening in the same way that others might have been. As a result, I went into my first Ashes tour feeling confident in my own game and secure in the team.

I had been in Australia the previous winter. I played for Claremont Cottesloe Cricket Club for four months and, when I wasn't playing, I spent my time on the beach. I loved it. I loved the warm sea, the sandy beaches and the friendly people. I practically lived on Cottesloe beach, and by the time I returned with the England team, I felt I knew the place, the culture and that I had a lot of friends there. While some people talk about how hostile Australia can feel for them on an Ashes tour, for me it felt like home from home. It really helped.

There's no way of avoiding the fact that it was not Australia's strongest team. Many of their best players were absent due to World Series Cricket. But there is still something about the Australian spirit that renders them tough opposition in any circumstances. They come at you. They always come at you. And in Rodney Hogg, they unearthed a bowler who was as quick as anyone I faced in short bursts.

I made a century on the first day of the Perth Test. It was my eighth Test in all and my second Ashes Test. The ground and the area will always be special to me. It's smaller than the other Australian Test grounds and so has a more intimate atmosphere. The pitch tends to have some extra pace and bounce, which encourages fast bowlers and batsmen prepared to play their shots. It makes for good entertainment.

I recall feeling comfortable at the crease. But just before tea, when I was on about 80, Hogg bowled one which smacked into the side of my neck. It focused my mind, I can tell you. I reached my century just before the close and we went on to win the Test. It was a special time for me.

In some ways, I feel lucky to have played in those days. The tours were long and we were not paid anything like the levels of today's players. But maybe we had a bit more fun. We used to have days off to go and spend on the beach and I took the time to catch up with old friends. I'll be heading back there again this winter.

Old socks, a metal bat and a stuffing. 1979-80: Australia 3 England 0
With Packer winding up, the TCCB - the forerunner to the ECB - offered to play three Tests in Australia the following winter to help the Australian cricket board get back on its feet. But they were smart. Realising the Australian team would be back to full strength, they argued that a three-Test series wasn't long enough to contest the Ashes, so this was an unusual Test series between the two sides, where the urn was not at stake.

It was probably just as well. At full strength they were a formidable team and we were stuffed 3-0. I didn't have the best series personally, either. I seem to remember Greg Chappell being presented with something called "The Urnie" at the end of the series in Melbourne. It was just a pair of old socks or something that had been burned and put in a tin; not quite the same as the old urn.

One of the more memorable moments in that series came at Perth when Dennis Lillee walked to the wicket with an aluminium bat I recall he hit one which should, really, have gone for four but because of the bat it only went for three. So in some ways it worked to our benefit. But both captains complained about it. Mike Brearley was worried about it damaging the ball, and Chappell sent out a wooden bat but Dennis refused to use it. He is a real local hero in those parts, so the crowd were getting more and more vocal in their support, and of course, they hated Brearley who they saw as the epitome of everything they despised in an Englishman. In the end the game stopped for what seemed ages but was probably about ten minutes, and Dennis, giving a good impression of being bad-tempered, hurled the bat in the direction of the pavilion. Sales sky-rocketed after the Test. Dennis is no fool, I can promise you. A little while later, the Laws of the game were amended to insist that bats were made of wood.

An eyewitness to history. 1981: England 3 Australia 1
The Leeds Test was simply an extraordinary life experience. We experienced a remarkable array of emotions. Personally, I hardly contributed to one of England's most impressive Test victories. Ian Botham, Mike Brearley and Bob Willis were magnificent and I had one of the best seats in the house to watch it unfold. Although someone did recently point out that I scored 33 runs in that match and we won by 18. I'd like to think I played a part, but it's not really the case.

I've no idea how Australia managed to score 400 in their first innings. We dropped some catches - me included - and then we were bowled out cheaply in our first innings, and then, when we followed-on, seven down and still almost 100 runs adrift. It was a hopeless match position.

We all went to a party at Ian's on Saturday night. Those were in the days when we still had rest days, and well, what can I say - it was a good party. I seem to remember it stretched until Sunday lunch. Then we resumed on Monday morning and Ian, with support from Graham Dilley, played a terrific innings.

Brearley's contribution was immense. If you were to put together all the qualities required of a good captain, you would probably end up with Brearley. He understood every facet of the game, he had wonderful empathy for the individuals in his team, and a formidable memory for the strengths and weaknesses of our opponents. He thought about the game deeply and expressed himself clearly. In Australia's second innings, every change he made in the field was spot on, and even when they were 50 for 1 and chasing 130, he gave the impression something could happen. Eventually he switched Willis to bowl down the hill, everything clicked, and the rest is history.

It was the most electric atmosphere I've experienced in cricket. But I felt I was in the best place. It must have been unbearable in the stands or in the dressing room, but at least when you're on the field you feel you can do something about it. I've spent the last 30 years talking about that game, and I still feel very lucky to have been a small part of something so special.

As good as it gets. 1985: England 3 Australia 1
That series was the high point of my career. I've never batted better, and I captained England to victory in the Ashes. My batting at The Oval - where I made 150 and put on about 350 with Graham Gooch - was as close to sublime as I ever felt. We were on our way to winning the Ashes, I was in the nick of my life and I had a good friend at the other end. It was perfect and as good as it gets in cricket.

It all started quite badly. We had won in India, but I wasn't in the best of form, I hadn't scored a century since being appointed captain in June 1984, and I was under pressure. I scored 0 and 3 in the first two ODIs and I was feeling low in form and confidence. It's hard to explain now, but I felt I was drowning.

People think it all turned round with a century I scored in the final ODI at Lord's, and that's partly true but it was actually earlier in the game when I felt something change. David Boon smacked one towards me in the air and somehow everything went in slow motion. I knew in that moment that if I dropped it, it would feel like the end of the world. I don't know if I would ever have recovered my form and confidence.

But the ball stuck. I went on to score a century in the game and three more in the Ashes series that followed. Everything seemed to go our way. Even when Wayne Phillips middled one from Phil Edmonds, the ball thumped into the side of Allan Lamb's foot and bounced back to me. Richard Ellison bowled beautifully and everything we tried worked. It was, from my perspective, a glorious summer.

An all time low. 1989: England 0 Australia 4.
That summer was the antithesis of everything that happened in 1985. You go into Ashes series with certain expectations, so to be beaten 4-0 was hard to take. We understood that when we played West Indies in that period, they were better than us, but we usually expected a good contest with Australia. So to be beaten in that manner was galling in the extreme. We went into the series feeling confident but Australia turned out to be too strong for us, and with injuries, and a rebel tour being announced in the middle of the series, we never once went into a game with our first-choice side. I had only been appointed captain a few months earlier and I went into the series feeling I knew a bit about the job and had a bit of experience as a player. But by the end of the series all my ambitions had evaporated and I was exhausted.

The end of the road. 1991: Australia 3 England 0
You don't realise you're coming to the end at the moment it happens. I still felt I could play. I could still play. I scored two centuries in Australia and another against India in the Test that ended the previous summer in England. But something had changed. By the time we got to Perth, normally a source of such happy times for me, I was a forlorn soul. We were 2-0 down in the series with one to play and I probably hadn't endeared myself to the management with the Tiger Moth incident and the shot I played to get out the ball before lunch in Adelaide. There was no magic left and I was worrying more and more about my game and my role in the side. I tried to turn it around; I tried to tell myself I'd be back, but whether my appetite for it had gone or whether I had just lost something, I don't know. It was my final Ashes Test and I only played three more in total.

It was a sad end, but in general Australia was very good to me. It remains a wonderful country to tour and I have friends to this day in and around Perth that I made when playing Grade cricket all those years ago. I always look forward to returning. I'm expecting great beaches, great wine, great people and great cricket: what more could you want?
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anyone see the ending to the aussies/india game the other night crazy shit, aussie batsman can't remember name was just hitting sixes everywhere
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that was it - that 30 was unreal, completely changed the game - one of the 6's was crazy...a big fat top edge skied high! when it was struck it looked like it was going to be out but it just never came down tho until it had crossed the boundary
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