11-09-19, 05:00 PM
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#1161
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Shankly
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 7,049
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Originally Posted by peterbread
His comment about not being and 18 year old who was at the top from an early age is the same for all the squad apart from Trent. I like that they’ve all had to work so hard to become top players and haven’t been stars from early on. They’ve had set backs, moved up the levels through different clubs. It really comes across with the attitude and commitment they all show.
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That is a really really good point. That hunger is evident in how we play. You could argue that Klopp has been the same - coming via Mainz.
People have talked about Mbappe as a potential addition. I am not sure that it is any way feasible as a signing but I wonder would that signing upset the apple cart????
I love the way Klopp and the recruitment team really analyse the personality of a player as well. There is a story I think of Robbo getting sick in his medical. And Klopp walking over taking the piss the next morning. Also, of Klopp giving his staff a bit of a bollocking when nobody informed him that Robbo's Mrs was having their first child shortly after he signed too.
I wonder when they got to speak to Fekir, was there a warning light going off around his attitude???
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12-09-19, 07:03 AM
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#1162
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Martin Skrtel can win a game of Connect Four in three moves
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 35,217
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Originally Posted by Shaggy
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IMO John Terry is the best CB of prem era so far.
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12-09-19, 08:25 AM
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#1163
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Paisley
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 15,897
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danperkins
IMO John Terry is the best CB of prem era so far.
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Better than Ferdinand?
Nah, and I don't think it's even close tbh
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12-09-19, 08:32 AM
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#1164
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Shankly
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 8,876
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Hypia.
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12-09-19, 08:51 AM
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Dressed up as Batman?
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 127,466
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I'm biased but Virgil for me. Never saw Terry, Vidic or Ferdinand be so routinely utterly foot perfect as VVD is. He probably needs to do it for longer, but he will cos he's incredible.
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12-09-19, 09:09 AM
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Anti-Antipodeanite
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 23,275
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No question it will be Virgil if he stays with us a few more seasons  rey:
At the moment I'd say it's between Terry and Ferdinand. With Vidic and Kompany behind that.
I'd pick Ferdinand as I preferred his style of play, but there's not much in it.
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12-09-19, 09:50 AM
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Donald Buzzworth
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 35,162
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Virgil is basically a combination of the best parts of Ferdinand and Terry. He has the skills and pace of Rio whilst also being as powerful, commanding and good at scoring goals as Terry.
Plus he is a decent chap as well putting him ahead of Terry in particular on pretty much every level.
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12-09-19, 10:07 AM
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Smug
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 12,483
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Have to say Virgil as well, he has everything, I've never seen such a complete defender, pace, awareness, height and passing, he's a goal threat as well and can carry the ball out.
Didn't see Hansen but a I doubt he was better tbh. can't see how you can really improve on Virg.
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12-09-19, 11:11 AM
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Shankly
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 6,767
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo
No question it will be Virgil if he stays with us a few more seasons  rey:
At the moment I'd say it's between Terry and Ferdinand. With Vidic and Kompany behind that.
I'd pick Ferdinand as I preferred his style of play, but there's not much in it.
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I think Virgil but from a United perspective I always thought Stam was the best of them. Did it ever come out what happen with Fergie - he was superb in Italy in the years that followed
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12-09-19, 11:30 AM
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Shankly
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 7,411
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Irishnev
I think Virgil but from a United perspective I always thought Stam was the best of them. Did it ever come out what happen with Fergie - he was superb in Italy in the years that followed
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Jaap Stam's book had a lot to do with it i reckon. Later Fergie said it was one of his biggest fuck ups.
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12-09-19, 12:50 PM
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Shankly
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 6,767
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Quote:
Originally Posted by labourRed
Jaap Stam's book had a lot to do with it i reckon. Later Fergie said it was one of his biggest fuck ups.
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 that's it - the book
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12-09-19, 02:13 PM
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#1172
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Anti-Antipodeanite
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 23,275
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Irishnev
I think Virgil but from a United perspective I always thought Stam was the best of them. Did it ever come out what happen with Fergie - he was superb in Italy in the years that followed
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I was going to suggest Stam but when I checked he only played 60 odd Premier League matches! If he'd stayed he'd definitely have been up there. He was a beast.
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12-09-19, 03:09 PM
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#1173
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Fantasy Football Champion
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 20,986
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Phil Jones has to be in with a shout.
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12-09-19, 04:09 PM
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Houllier
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 301
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Winning the Prem would help Virgil's case....
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13-09-19, 06:36 AM
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Martin Skrtel can win a game of Connect Four in three moves
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 35,217
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spud_gun
Better than Ferdinand?
Nah, and I don't think it's even close tbh
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It's very close to be fair, it was between Terry and Ferdinand for me. Say what you want about Terry but he was a world class CB.
As for VVD, he looks like nothing anyone has seen in a CB but it is still early days for him in his LFC career, he also has another 7 or 8 years left in him. Terry and Ferdinand played hundreds more games in top class prem sides that won the league several times. Virgil is world class and the best CB in the world the last year. Can only see him getting better.
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13-09-19, 09:51 AM
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Dalglish
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 3,633
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The thing about those two is that there was a profile of forward that troubled them considerably. With van Dijk, he deals with them all and their style doesn't seem to matter. Small, nippy fox in the box types; big powerful target men etc. He adapts and handles anyone, there's not really a weakness or something obvious which can be exploited yet.
I would agree with Jaap Stam as being an all round superb player, but when you speak of Premiership players, he is pretty much the equivalent of Virgil for us in terms of games and achievements (other than winning the league multiple times). In terms of influence on the team and the CL runs etc. If we won the league this season then flogged him abroad for disgusting cash their legacies would be similar, although that would be ignoring what Virgil did at Southampton. Either way, I don't think he's going anywhere anytime soon and has to be in the discussion among the better modern day players.
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13-09-19, 11:22 AM
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#1177
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Shankly
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 7,049
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If virgil helps us win the league, then he will be catapulted into the greatest Liverpool players of all time. He could be in the top 10 pretty much overnight
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14-09-19, 02:37 PM
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#1178
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Big Girl's Blouse
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 29,358
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Most passes today with 121, 96% completion. Insane
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24-09-19, 02:18 AM
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#1179
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Paisley
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 30,294
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Quote:
With more than 400 managers, players and media representatives voting for the best men's player (each selecting a first, second and third choice), Cristiano Ronaldo remarkably found common ground with Mauritania captain Abdoul Ba and his Eswatini counterpart Dlamini Banele.
How, you may ask? Well, they were the only three people to select Netherlands defender Matthijs de Ligt as their first pick for player of the year.
Was it a case of tactical voting from Ronaldo, who managed to exclude winner Lionel Messi from his top three? Or just a show of solidarity for his current Juventus team-mate?
In the 2018 voting Ronaldo also omitted his old rival Messi, instead favouring former Real Madrid colleague Raphael Varane.
Messi did include Ronaldo as his second pick behind Sadio Mane. The other main candidate for the men's player award, Virgil van Dijk, went with Messi ahead of his Liverpool team-mates Mohamed Salah and Mane.
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24-09-19, 08:02 AM
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Daddy day care
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 20,918
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Isnt this just the shit version of best player, with the "proper" ballon d'or in december?
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too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all, but not VVD or Alisson
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24-09-19, 08:28 AM
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aka liverpooltj
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 25,870
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5 real Madrid players in the fifa world 11 despite Real being absolute shite this year. Show what these awards really are for me. Nothing but a Madrid Barca wankfest.
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24-09-19, 08:29 AM
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#1182
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Anti-Antipodeanite
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 23,275
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Yeah have to agree with that, it's embarrassing.
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24-09-19, 11:12 AM
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#1184
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Shankly
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 7,411
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calvoboy
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It's always the same in this. I'm not sure Messi or Ronaldo have ever voted for each other when clearly they've been the best player. It's political. Meh.
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24-09-19, 04:47 PM
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#1185
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Paisley
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,876
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Leyton388
5 real Madrid players in the fifa world 11 despite Real being absolute shite this year. Show what these awards really are for me. Nothing but a Madrid Barca wankfest.
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I don't think I can even name 5 Madrid players that play any more. Bale, Kroos, Ramos...
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24-09-19, 04:58 PM
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#1186
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Typing Tourettes is a thing
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 20,361
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That team is hilarious, Modric and Marcelo have just had the worst season of their careers and Ramos wasn't much better either.
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02-10-19, 09:54 PM
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Kloppite
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 24,143
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He is human after all...... bit of a ‘mare today
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02-10-19, 10:03 PM
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Pantomime Villain
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 15,005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Assassin
He is human after all...... bit of a ‘mare today
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 my exact thoughts. Hes human. Another myth shattered.
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02-10-19, 10:29 PM
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#1189
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Dressed up as Batman?
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 127,466
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Shit cunt
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I was playing doctors and nurses with my female cousin. I was about 6 or 7, and we were inserting little toy stuffs in our bum holes. Does it count as snogging?
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02-10-19, 10:30 PM
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#1190
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Kloppite
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 24,143
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy
Shit cunt
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02-10-19, 11:44 PM
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#1191
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Shankly
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 6,086
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Bring back Sakho
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03-10-19, 01:34 AM
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#1192
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Paisley
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 30,294
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Not very nice, but another reminder that anyone can get access to the interweb
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03-10-19, 09:18 AM
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Kloppite
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 24,143
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Just reflecting on his performance last night. Strangely out of sorts. In the after match interview he didnt seem himself and was sweating quite a lot (normally he looks like he hasnt played) Just wondering if he was ill and on some medication
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03-10-19, 09:26 AM
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#1194
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Dan Ashcroft
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 48,448
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I didn't think he was that bad tbh. There were two in the back four worse than him, as were the three across the midfield until Milner came on.
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03-10-19, 09:28 AM
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Donald Buzzworth
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 35,162
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Yeah Joe Struggled and Trent kept giving the ball away. Then everyone started giving the ball away. We lost focus and took our foot off the throttle, eye off the ball etc after blitzing them.
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03-10-19, 10:01 AM
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#1196
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Kloppite
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 24,143
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
I didn't think he was that bad tbh. There were two in the back four worse than him, as were the three across the midfield until Milner came on.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzo
Yeah Joe Struggled and Trent kept giving the ball away. Then everyone started giving the ball away. We lost focus and took our foot off the throttle, eye off the ball etc after blitzing them.
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Trent was on a bit of a walk about last night. He was playing at left back for a short period of time. Joe struggled, having said that he made a couple of good interceptions as well
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03-10-19, 10:20 AM
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#1197
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Shankly
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 7,049
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as long as it will act as a kick up the arse for the next few games, then it's no harm
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03-10-19, 11:09 AM
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#1198
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Nicked from elsewhere
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 17,986
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Assassin
Trent was on a bit of a walk about last night. He was playing at left back for a short period of time. Joe struggled, having said that he made a couple of good interceptions as well
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Gomez was poor for me, made loads of mistakes and was getting caught under the ball loads and was giving away possession a bit. The getting caught under the ball was a common feature of his game when he first started playing centreback for us but he ironed that out of his game first half of last season. Its kept back in the last couple of times hes played. Might be him being ringrusty
Trents passing has been very hit and miss at times this season also
As for him switching to leftback, they do this a lot, its always after set pieces and they stay in position until the ball is at the other end of the pitch
Its not a real tactical switch its more a reflection of their positions on set pieces and they do immediately try and switch back at the earliest opportunity
Thats something and nothing for me
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03-10-19, 11:23 AM
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#1199
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Shankly
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 7,411
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lecter
As for him switching to leftback, they do this a lot, its always after set pieces and they stay in position until the ball is at the other end of the pitch
Its not a real tactical switch its more a reflection of their positions on set pieces and they do immediately try and switch back at the earliest opportunity
Thats something and nothing for me
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Yeah, its happens about three times a game, it happens at other teams as well. Rather than being a flaw we're very effective at filling in with midfielders and what not if we're caught short. Its close to total football.
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03-10-19, 11:32 AM
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#1200
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Kloppite
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 24,143
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lecter
Trents passing has been very hit and miss at times this season also
As for him switching to leftback, they do this a lot, its always after set pieces and they stay in position until the ball is at the other end of the pitch
Its not a real tactical switch its more a reflection of their positions on set pieces and they do immediately try and switch back at the earliest opportunity
Thats something and nothing for me
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I've seen it a few times myself on set pieces, but he seemed to be in that position for quite some time in the later part of the first half
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