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Old 24-08-16, 07:47 AM   #241
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It's very easy to say Coutinho is the best player at the club, but during pre-season and his two competitive games so far, Mane looks miles above him.

Everyone plays better when Mane is on the pitch, and THAT is the sign of a top class player. Pace, power, skill, workrate. Brilliant.
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Old 24-08-16, 08:25 AM   #242
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Need to wrap him in cotton wool.

Who else’s heart sank when he went down holding his shoulder last night?
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Old 24-08-16, 08:56 AM   #243
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Need to wrap him in cotton wool.

Who else’s heart sank when he went down holding his shoulder last night?
he picked himself up pretty quickly though and shrugged it off.

I've also been pretty impressed with his work ethic which is not something I knew about - 2nd half, he gave the ball away and chased across the park closing down until their defence where forced to go backwards.
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Old 24-08-16, 09:00 AM   #244
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Looks the real deal doesn't he?

I honestly think he's the quickest player I've ever seen.
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Old 24-08-16, 09:00 AM   #245
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he picked himself up pretty quickly though and shrugged it off.

I've also been pretty impressed with his work ethic which is not something I knew about - 2nd half, he gave the ball away and chased across the park closing down until their defence where forced to go backwards.
Aye, my brother said the same, but I was on the phone to the Samaritans, I still expected the worst.
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Old 24-08-16, 09:05 AM   #246
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Looks the real deal doesn't he?

I honestly think he's the quickest player I've ever seen.
yeah great ability to stand a man up and go one way or the other. bamboozles defenders.
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Old 24-08-16, 10:30 AM   #247
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His acceleration is what sets him apart. He goes from standing still to top speed in a flash. Leaves defenders for dead
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Old 24-08-16, 10:49 AM   #248
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I didn't really want him and it was mostly because of a game against Man United last season. He was very eye-catching in his pace and nuisance value but he spurned about 3 or 4 glorious chances and it really pissed me off.

Only one game but I saw him enough last season to incorrectly conclude he was one of those erratic speed merchants who has no idea what he's about to do. Amazing how much better he looks here, surrounded by better players - and his work rate is unreal. He was tracking back in the last minute last night, he's always back defending, and he's so fast and direct - explosive from a standing start.

Him and Sturridge in tandem, with Mane doing much of Sturridge's running, could be fucking deadly.
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Old 24-08-16, 11:09 AM   #249
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Clyne and him seem to have a great understanding as well, so early. One pass from Mane to Clyne (might have been for the assist) was done without looking, i don't know if it was a shout but it was pleasantly surprising all the same.

If only the left side looked as good.
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Old 24-08-16, 12:15 PM   #250
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A speed merchant with an end product?!!?

Very early days yet but he's looking like a fantastic signing. Stick him in the team and we instantly look more dangerous.
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Old 24-08-16, 01:08 PM   #251
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What an upgrade on Sterling (so far). I had serious doubts that this was going to be another costly disaster, but he's thriving so far. That weight of wearing Liverpool's famous #19 shirt doesn't seem to bother him so far, he's confident isn't he?
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Old 24-08-16, 01:14 PM   #252
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I like how absolutely furious he gets if a pass doesn't get to him- he looks at the passer with such disgust.
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Old 24-08-16, 01:14 PM   #253
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I've been surprised at how good of a passer he is, during pre season & so far competitively he has picked out some cracking balls.
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Old 24-08-16, 01:14 PM   #254
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Hes a cold blooded killer. Totally ice cool. Hope he finishes chances well, because he's going to get a shit load of them when we hit our straps.

If Klopp signed a deep playmaker (Pirlo, Xabi type) he'd be even more lethal.
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Old 25-08-16, 02:11 PM   #255
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Sadio is gonna get better with us with top class talent around him playing better because of the options he gives to them...will be like Suarez giving us that feeling of invincibility again...Wondered if we had him at Burnley, would have had them falling over themselves as being too tight on the two banks of fours they had!
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Old 25-08-16, 02:20 PM   #256
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Sadio is gonna get better with us with top class talent around him playing better because of the options he gives to them...will be like Suarez giving us that feeling of invincibility again...Wondered if we had him at Burnley, would have had them falling over themselves as being too tight on the two banks of fours they had!


I think his raw pace and his willingness to use that pace would have seen them leave a lot more space as they would have been forced to double up on him.


What he has shown in a very short span of time is how desperate we are to have at least one more attacking player with genuine pace so that we still have one in the team if the other is injured and two to blitz teams with when both are fit.

Origi is quick enough, but he does not bring the same sort of direct speed merchant threat that Mane looks to bring with him.
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Old 25-08-16, 02:39 PM   #257
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I think his raw pace and his willingness to use that pace would have seen them leave a lot more space as they would have been forced to double up on him.


What he has shown in a very short span of time is how desperate we are to have at least one more attacking player with genuine pace so that we still have one in the team if the other is injured and two to blitz teams with when both are fit.

Origi is quick enough, but he does not bring the same sort of direct speed merchant threat that Mane looks to bring with him.


Seems pace is the answer Jaco , and Origi and Mane are key to that , otherwise we are one paced with the other ball players in the team,
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Old 25-08-16, 03:13 PM   #258
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Seems pace is the answer Jaco , and Origi and Mane are key to that , otherwise we are one paced with the other ball players in the team,

I don't think Origi is key tbh. Not that I don't rate him, because I do, but rather because he does not seem to have the same sort of mixture of blistering acceleration and pace coupled with good close control and determination that Mane looks to have in spades.


Take Origi out of the team but still have Mane in it and we still have a very direct threat to worry other teams, but take Mane out and put Origi in and we do not have the same fast direct threat.

For me we need another Mane level player in the squad, and Origi would the guy who competes with Sturridge to play ahead of the pace merchants.

If heavy metal football is what Klopp wants to bring to us a la what he had at Dortmund, then we need more high end pace in the final third as well as an improvement on the pace we have in the centre (although decent pace rather than blistering pace for there).

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Old 25-08-16, 03:27 PM   #259
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Oji offering options on the other flank will also help with width.
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Old 25-08-16, 04:12 PM   #260
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Oji offering options on the other flank will also help with width.


We have a few players that can offer width, but offering pace, control, and the confidence/arrogance to just go at players is what I want to see our wide players having.


Ojo is probably a few years off being that player ( hopefully he does become that player), and as such would like to see another fast quality attacker added ( although not at the expense of a quality midfielder and/or left back if it became a one or the other type scenario)
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Old 25-08-16, 04:35 PM   #261
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When we played Burnley we had Neither in the team ,

I think if Mane is not there then Origi should be in the starting eleven,

I guess Ings must not be fit enough at the moment as his workrate and pace would seem to suit it as well.
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Old 25-08-16, 04:43 PM   #262
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I heard a rumour that Lionel Messi has a Sadio Mane pencil case.....
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Old 25-08-16, 04:49 PM   #263
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I heard a rumour that Lionel Messi has a Sadio Mane pencil case.....

I heard that Sadio Mane has Lionel Messi inside his pencil case.
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Old 25-08-16, 04:58 PM   #264
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When we played Burnley we had Neither in the team ,

I think if Mane is not there then Origi should be in the starting eleven,

I guess Ings must not be fit enough at the moment as his workrate and pace would seem to suit it as well.

Oh if it was a choice of having Origi in the team if Mane was out then I would have Origi in as we currently have nobody else that can offer a genuine change in pace in our team.

We seem to have an awful lot of players in our attack and midfield that offer very average acceleration and/or sprint speed. Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana, Can, Henderson, Milner, and Sturridge (at least that is how he looks post injury) all bring very beige levels of pace with them and for the most part are not going to have opposition players backing off of them or doubling up on them.

Mind you what is worse than our player's lack of actual pace is the way that we seem to be very one paced in our play a hell of a lot. We seem to have a mid paced tempo that we just stick with and when teams sit back against us (a la Burnley) we just stick with the same paced patterns of play over and over and, save for the chance of a worldie out of the blue, our same paced waves of attacks just break on back lines that have the time to organize themselves.
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Old 25-08-16, 09:21 PM   #265
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Seems pace is the answer,
And width, that is Guardiola's mantra. He signed Douglas Costa and Coman to go with Ribery & Robben for Bayern.

He signed Sane, Nolito & Juan Jesus to go with Sterling for City. Stretch teams with wide fast forwards creates so much space for the rest of the team.

We could do with another Mane type player for the other side.
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Old 25-08-16, 10:26 PM   #266
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I reckon we'd be better off if we had kept hold of Sterling.
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Old 25-08-16, 10:29 PM   #267
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Old 25-08-16, 10:45 PM   #268
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Didn't mean to shit stir, and he has been largely patchy for City overall, but his pace was a vital ingredient of our Suarez led success and when the effete dinosaur armed money grabbing little Richard alike left, we sorely missed that pace in our attack.
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Old 25-08-16, 10:53 PM   #269
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I thought there was little end product but loads of off your seat moments with Sterling with us but do the stats show me as being wrong?
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Old 25-08-16, 11:20 PM   #270
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Couldn't hit the proverbial cows arse with a barn door.

Rest of his game is excellent, though it's a fairly big downside for an attacking player.

I think we did the right thing at that money.

I think Markovic is quicker anyway's if he gets the rest of his stuff together.
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Couldn't hit the proverbial cows arse with a barn door.

Rest of his game is excellent, though it's a fairly big downside for an attacking player.

I think we did the right thing at that money.

I think Markovic is quicker anyway's if he gets the rest of his stuff together.
15 Goals from the wing last season .............
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Old 26-08-16, 05:18 AM   #272
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And how many times did he miss a sitter?
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Old 26-08-16, 05:19 AM   #273
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He means Sterling. That said, he scored 11 in all competitions last season -

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cheeky little loan offer for Sterling then anyone ?

Give Moreno a go on the wing as well see how that plays out
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He means Sterling. That said, he scored 11 in all competitions last season -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raheem...eer_statistics
I thought 15 sounded high.

Who did you think I meant :/
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Hell no. I was getting over excited comparing him to Suarez the other week

Not the same level of course, but that amazing ability to produce a fantastic goal from nothing. Immense to watch.
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Old 27-08-16, 11:25 PM   #280
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All action again, great stuff...though I worried about him sticking his foot in there a few times. Worm done well against him on a number of occasions, but you already feel how we do this season could very well depend on this lad's input for us.
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