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Old 28-06-21, 09:38 AM   #6561
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Does he really need the job that badly to put his family through all of this?

As soon as they go on bad run it is going to be unbearable for him. It doesn’t take many to make life pretty uncomfortable for him and this is the reaction before he has even signed.

Don’t do it Rafa.
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Old 28-06-21, 09:43 AM   #6562
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Does he really need the job that badly to put his family through all of this?

As soon as they go on bad run it is going to be unbearable for him. It doesn’t take many to make life pretty uncomfortable for him and this is the reaction before he has even signed.

Don’t do it Rafa.
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Old 28-06-21, 09:58 AM   #6563
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...not cheap living on the Wirral though


Covering for a one bed flat in the city as well will be even more expensive when Montse sends him packing for putting her life at risk.
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Old 28-06-21, 10:32 AM   #6564
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Benítez is a workaholic but what is in it for him this time? Paul Joyce looks into the Spaniard’s imminent Merseyside return

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Sunday June 27 2021, 6.00pm, The Times

The temptation is to think that Rafa Benítez needs another miracle.

With the Spaniard’s appointment as Everton manager imminent, the task confronting him feels particularly onerous: quell unrest among a divided and angry fanbase, earn their respect, if not their affection, bring stability to a club on to its sixth coach in five years, deliver European football and do so with a squad that requires significant tweaks.

That night in Istanbul when Benítez orchestrated Liverpool’s revival from a 3-0 half-time deficit against AC Milan to win the Champions League on penalties suddenly does not feel so complicated in comparison.

Benítez’s ascension to power at Goodison Park firstly reveals how Farhad Moshiri, the owner, and his business associate Alisher Usmanov, are driving the strategy in the hope that the club will finally be propelled into the upper echelons of the Premier League.

The two billionaires are not oblivious to the fans’ reaction but have simply chosen to ignore the outpouring in the belief they are hiring a good coach, with a strong tactical understanding and someone who can improve players.

They are tired of “losing”, according to sources, although the hire ’em, fire ’em policy and haphazard manner in which previous managerial appointments have been conducted means Everton have been their own worst enemy in terms of on-field progress since Moshiri came on board in February 2016.

Carlo Ancelotti admittedly left them in the lurch when quitting on June 1, but the refusal of first choice David Moyes to be swayed from West Ham United, remembering the handful of occasions he had previously been offered the chance to return only for the line to go cold, felt like karma.

At this point, it is pertinent to ask: What is in this for Benítez? He does not need a payday, his contract is heavily incentivised, and does not need the abuse that has already been pinned to the blue railings at Goodison.

Football consumes the 61-year-old. He needs to work, he needs to be on the training ground and, in some respects, that already sounds more promising than some of his predecessors who swept out of Finch Farm and headed home as soon as lunch had been served.

Benítez will be first in, last out and while that does not guarantee that he will succeed, it shows he does not want to fail. He will not want to go to Anfield, or the Etihad, and be embarrassed because regardless of what others think he still views himself in the same elite bracket as Jürgen Klopp and Pep Guardiola.

Everton’s opening fixtures have been deemed as helpful — Southampton (h), Leeds United (a), Brighton & Hove Albion (a), Burnley (h), Aston Villa (a) and Norwich City (h) — but only if they bring positive results. Otherwise, they are precisely the type of games that will further fuel a rise in toxicity because the perception will be they are all eminently winnable.

Another concern for Benítez is that he is taking over a squad who now have a ready made shield for their own inadequacies. It is the man in the dugout who is going to get the bird, not the players unable to live up to their billing.

There are many fans who are opposed to Benítez primarily because of his comment in 2007 when he described Everton as a “small club,” [he later admitted this was a mistake saying he was referencing the defensive approach of David Moyes’ team rather than Everton as a club] and his ties with Liverpool in transforming them into European champions 16 years ago.

That that he spent six years across Stanley Park should, in isolation, not be an issue and betrays a shortsightedness.

If Klopp became available and Everton targeted him, then that would surely cause less consternation. The same goes for Brendan Rodgers.

Others are prepared to look beyond that and ask whether Benítez can drive the club forward amid criticism that his achievements are in the distant past.

Benítez won the Coppa Italia with Napoli in 2013-14, the season after winning the Europa League with Chelsea having spent seven months there in an interim capacity.

His most recent Premier League job was with Newcastle United, who finished five points behind Everton after their return to the top flight in 2017-18, winning one game fewer, scoring five fewer goals but conceding 11 fewer.

The following campaign, 2018-19, Newcastle finished nine points behind Everton, recording three fewer wins, scoring 12 fewer goals and conceding two more. But over the course of those seasons there were wins over Manchester City, Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and a draw with Liverpool.

Over the same period, Everton tasted victory over United, Arsenal and Chelsea and drew twice with Liverpool.

His is not the record of a busted flush. The job he did with Newcastle was a good one, just as Steve Bruce has done well, and the style of football was probably unappealing on occasions but no worse than some of Everton’s performances under Ancelotti.

Recruitment remains a problem — in recent years Everton spent more on Alex Iwobi than Liverpool did on Sadio Mané — and what role director of football, Marcel Brands, who had little say in Benítez’s hiring, has to play will soon become clear.

Division on the inside is even more unpalatable than rancour on the streets. Otherwise, this really is the impossible job.
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Old 28-06-21, 10:36 AM   #6565
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Fair play if he's actually going to take the job Rafa doesn't give a fuck does he.

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Wonder who this was eh
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Old 28-06-21, 11:05 AM   #6566
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Fair play if he's actually going to take the job Rafa doesn't give a fuck does he.



Wonder who this was eh
...my money's on Fat Sam.
He would deffo have been off to the chippy for lunch instead
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Old 28-06-21, 12:16 PM   #6567
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...my money's on Fat Sam.
He would deffo have been off to the chippy for lunch instead
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Old 28-06-21, 06:20 PM   #6568
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Not a laughing matter, but the 'we know where you live' banner was left outside the wrong house.
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Old 28-06-21, 06:23 PM   #6569
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Not a laughing matter, but the 'we know where you live' banner was left outside the wrong house.
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Old 28-06-21, 08:09 PM   #6570
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Not a laughing matter, but the 'we know where you live' banner was left outside the wrong house.
That's about as Everton as you can get
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Old 29-06-21, 07:10 AM   #6571
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Old 29-06-21, 06:26 PM   #6572
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Poor Rafa. This is going to be dreadful.
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Old 29-06-21, 06:30 PM   #6573
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Old 29-06-21, 09:52 PM   #6574
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Old 29-06-21, 10:24 PM   #6575
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Isn't going to go down well with Liverpool fans this.
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Old 30-06-21, 06:17 AM   #6576
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Best of luck to him.

I don't actually mind Everton. What is funny is that their fans are totally obsessed with lfc but in reality I think we have bigger fish to fry. United are our main rival.

I hope we hammer them home and away next season..... But if they come 2nd to us then I won't really be bothered.

Also, I think it's a good appointment by them..... But their idiot fans will never see that so it will probably end badly.
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Old 30-06-21, 07:55 AM   #6577
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Old 30-06-21, 09:01 AM   #6578
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Isn't going to go down well with Liverpool fans this.
Going to go down better with Liverpool fans than it is with Everton ones from what I can see!
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Old 30-06-21, 09:10 AM   #6579
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Going to go down better with Liverpool fans than it is with Everton ones from what I can see!
Haha they don't seem very happy, stupid twats lol
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Old 30-06-21, 09:36 AM   #6580
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Good luck to him, but I do hope he hits the ground running and gets the fans onside quickly, otherwise it could turn nasty (or nastier).

Can't say I'll be cheering Everton on, but I don't hold a grudge against Rafa for taking a job close to home, family first and all.
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Good luck to him, but I do hope he hits the ground running and gets the fans onside quickly, otherwise it could turn nasty (or nastier).

Can't say I'll be cheering Everton on, but I don't hold a grudge against Rafa for taking a job close to home, family first and all.
Won't happen ....look how the Chelsea fans abused him and he won a trophy...as for taking a job close to home did that principal not apply when he took the Chelsea job or Napoli job even the job in china...
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Old 30-06-21, 10:27 AM   #6582
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Good luck to him, but I do hope he hits the ground running and gets the fans onside quickly, otherwise it could turn nasty (or nastier).

Can't say I'll be cheering Everton on, but I don't hold a grudge against Rafa for taking a job close to home, family first and all.
I hope it goes horribly from day one and they have a woeful season, as I do every season.
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Old 30-06-21, 11:10 AM   #6583
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Imagine he got them relegated?..he will have to bring his family back home to Spain!
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Old 30-06-21, 11:19 AM   #6584
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His home is Liverpool though. Hes always called the City his home since he managed us.
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Old 30-06-21, 11:21 AM   #6586
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Imagine he got them relegated?..he will have to bring his family back home to Spain!
Nah, he'd just have to avoid the caravan parks in Abergele
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Old 30-06-21, 12:13 PM   #6587
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Perhaps he can scythe theough Pickford in training?
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Old 30-06-21, 01:10 PM   #6588
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It'll be rafa or dunc leaving...
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Old 30-06-21, 01:34 PM   #6589
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I hope he takes Everton to the dizzy heights of 6th in the Prem and they win the League Cup. He'll be their most successful manager in the last 25 years and will very much be part of their history.
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Old 30-06-21, 01:50 PM   #6590
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Won't happen ....look how the Chelsea fans abused him and he won a trophy...as for taking a job close to home did that principal not apply when he took the Chelsea job or Napoli job even the job in china...
I think he’d ideally have always stayed close to home, but how many offers on there right on his doorstep? After all that working around the world, you can totally understand why a top flight job that also allows him to stay with his family must appeal.

As for trophies, the Chelsea fans are used to a succession of different managers turning up and winning something. Complete contrast to the Everton fans who have have been starved of success for 26 years, they’ll adore him if wins them something imo.
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Old 30-06-21, 03:36 PM   #6591
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So weird…but after all he did for Liverpool and all the hardship he put up with under shit owners at multiple clubs, I just can’t begrudge him a job that clearly suits him.

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I have no problem him going there it's not as if he left us to go there,he's had 5 clubs since he left.

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Old 30-06-21, 03:54 PM   #6593
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Don’t begrudge him the job at all, it makes sense for him, but I still hope they lose every game.
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Old 30-06-21, 05:41 PM   #6597
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He has balls of steel that fella.

Imagine he was cup level successful, won them over and then left them to rejoin us post Klopp.
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His home is Liverpool though. Hes always called the City his home since he managed us.
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Imagine he was cup level successful, won them over and then left them to rejoin us post Klopp.
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