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Old Yesterday, 10:15 PM   #1201
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Here we go again. It'll be the hope that finishes us off this season.
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Old Yesterday, 10:24 PM   #1202
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I'd rather have this faint hope going into this game than having none and it being a nothing game. Certainly brings an edge to it now.
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Old Yesterday, 10:30 PM   #1203
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I'd rather have this faint hope going into this game than having none and it being a nothing game. Certainly brings an edge to it now.
It's the hope that kills you. Especially against that lot.
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Old Yesterday, 10:33 PM   #1204
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It's the hope that kills you. Especially against that lot.
We are due a win there. Klopp has never won at Old Trafford and we haven't won there for ages.
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Old Yesterday, 10:43 PM   #1205
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We have it all to play for- they have nothing much to play for now, and will be looking at making sure they dont pick up anymore injuries before the Europa league final... and theres no fans there.... surely well never have a better chance to win at old trafford!
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Old Yesterday, 10:49 PM   #1206
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We are due a win there. Klopp has never won at Old Trafford and we haven't won there for ages.
We're not due a win by any logical measure.

Time itself is not a logical measure.

We're crap.

We might get the good result but I can't see many indicators of it right now.
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Old Yesterday, 10:51 PM   #1207
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4 wins are really needed for us to finish in the top 4 and the Chelsea v Leicester City game on the 18th is key.

Assuming they both win their last games (Leicester v Spurs + Aston Villa v Chelsea)...

...If Leicester win, Chelsea can finish on a maximum of 67 points, 4 wins gets us to 69.

...If Chelsea win, they would finish on 70, Leicester on 69 who we could beat into 4th on goal difference, we are 3 behind with 2 games in hand...

...If it's a draw we finish ahead of Chelsea by a point.

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Old Yesterday, 10:53 PM   #1208
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4 wins are really needed for us to finish in the top 4 and the Chelsea v Leicester City game on the 18th is key.

Assuming they both win their last games (Leicester v Spurs + Aston Villa v Chelsea)...

...If Leicester win, Chelsea can finish on a maximum of 67 points, 4 wins gets us to 69.

...If Chelsea win, they would finish on 70, Leicester on 69 who would could beat into 4th on goal difference, we are 3 behind with 2 games in hand...

...If it's a draw we finish ahead of Chelsea by a point.
Just need to play to win our own games

Wonder will the pond life make an appearance tomorrow night before the game again
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Old Yesterday, 10:57 PM   #1209
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We're not due a win by any logical measure.

Time itself is not a logical measure.

We're crap.

We might get the good result but I can't see many indicators of it right now.
4 wins in the last 6 shows there's been an improvement. Hope is good. Without it, what's the point? Still the door is open not to watch the game and that's ok as well.
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Old Yesterday, 11:11 PM   #1210
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4 wins in the last 6 shows there's been an improvement. Hope is good. Without it, what's the point? Still the door is open not to watch the game and that's ok as well.
Hope isn't on my radar this season. It's gone, for me.

I'll watch some repeats of Grand Designs instead, or something like that.
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Old Yesterday, 11:43 PM   #1211
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Big significance of tonight was that it's in our hands again - if we win every game we'll get there (apart from some unlikely goal difference permutations)

No room for error, but it's there for us again if we can put a run together and win our last 4.

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Old Today, 12:16 AM   #1212
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I think they’ll go ultra defensive to start & hope to bring on a few stars & Nick it late on 1-0 with little effect to their stars
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Old Today, 01:03 AM   #1213
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It's back on but it's dependent on us at least getting a point against Utd, and Leicester beating Chelsea, oh and us winning all our remaining games.
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Old Today, 01:23 AM   #1214
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A point wont do it. We need to win all 4 remaining games to have any hope of 4th. Then hope Chavs dont with UCL final if they are the team we knock out of top 4.
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Yeah I think a win tomorrow is imperative too. If we beat them the belief within our group will be strong I believe & should get us over the line.
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Old Today, 07:43 AM   #1216
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A point wont do it. We need to win all 4 remaining games to have any hope of 4th. Then hope Chavs dont with UCL final if they are the team we knock out of top 4.
A point would only be enough if If Leicester beat Chelsea and we can get ahead of their goal difference, they are on 22 and we're on 18.
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Old Today, 08:38 AM   #1217
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A point wont do it. We need to win all 4 remaining games to have any hope of 4th. Then hope Chavs dont with UCL final if they are the team we knock out of top 4.
4th would still qualify for CL if they win.
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Old Today, 09:56 AM   #1218
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4th would still qualify for CL if they win.
Yeah, that's the last thing we need to worry about.

I don't give us any chance of winning four in a row with this lot.
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Yeah, that's the last thing we need to worry about.

I don't give us any chance of winning four in a row with this lot.
Don't need to worry about winning 4 games in a row, just need to focus on the next one fail to win tonight and it's over.
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Old Today, 10:15 AM   #1220
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A point wont do it. We need to win all 4 remaining games to have any hope of 4th. Then hope Chavs dont with UCL final if they are the team we knock out of top 4.
If we win all of our games, then top 4 is certainty.

Win tonight and we have a great chance in my view
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Old Today, 11:02 AM   #1221
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4th would still qualify for CL if they win.
Even if they finish 5th?
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Old Today, 11:05 AM   #1222
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I can't see us winning the last 4 games. Not enough players in form for us to do that.
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Even if they finish 5th?
Yes. Just means England would have 5 teams in the CL. The top 4 plus Chelsea as holders.

The only threat to 4th as a qualifying spot was a team from outside the top 4 (Arsenal) winning the Europa League.
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Old Today, 01:08 PM   #1224
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I can't see us winning the last 4 games. Not enough players in form for us to do that.
Yeah, I agree. I don't think we'll get the last CL place. Question for me is whether a year without Europe (Europa) would help or hinder us i.e. do we want 5th place.
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Old Today, 01:38 PM   #1225
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Look how Utd have used the Europa to give experience to squad players.

We want the games for sure.
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Look how Utd have used the Europa to give experience to squad players.

We want the games for sure.
That's a good point. However, our threadbare squad has suffered this season because of the amount of games.

Klopp's always favoured a small squad (and a fairly rigid system). Be interesting to see if he changes next season.

BTW - I still honestly believe Klopp is the best manager in the world.
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Squad isn't threadbare though. Did you mean threadbare as a result of getting the amount of injuries?

Even Man City would have struggled if they had to go through the amount of injuries we had this season.
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We are due a win there. Klopp has never won at Old Trafford and we haven't won there for ages.
Even when we've been good under klopp we always given them too much respect and invited pressure. Now we're not very good I don't see it getting any easier. Right now we don't have an A game, arguably not even a B game. Let them off the leash and pray we get lucky.
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Yeah, I agree. I don't think we'll get the last CL place. Question for me is whether a year without Europe (Europa) would help or hinder us i.e. do we want 5th place.
6th will still likely get Europa League too. And with the Europa Conference, wed need to drop to 8th to avoid Europe altogether.

I do think wed benefit massively on the pitch from the freed up schedule though.
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Squad isn't threadbare though. Did you mean threadbare as a result of getting the amount of injuries?

Yes - because of injuries.

But I also think we don't have great strength in depth. We've relied on core of world class players being uninjured and playing at 100%.


Even Man City would have struggled if they had to go through the amount of injuries we had this season.

Fair point. We saw that last year (e.g. Laporte). However, they have incredible strength in depth.
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Old Today, 03:05 PM   #1231
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If we win all our remaining games and Chelsea beat Leicester, it comes down to goal difference for 4th place.

Leicester are on +21
Liverpool are on +18
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so 4 wins we will go to +22 minimum & Leicester losing to +20, so it will be tight
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If we win all our remaining games and Chelsea beat Leicester, it comes down to goal difference for 4th place.

Leicester are on +21
Liverpool are on +18
All the outcomes are in the other games thread from last night.

But even better would be Leicester beat Chelsea then we finish ahead of Chelsea by 2 points minimum.
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BTW - I still honestly believe Klopp is the best manager in the world.
Easily. By a country mile. If City and Liverpool fans were offered to wife-swap managers for two seasons, City fans would vote yes by a huge majority. Liverpool fans would vote no way in even larger numbers.

Klopp basically won the PL with a club that doesn't know how to, despite losing it on 97 points. So no fluke. More importantly, he comes in and snap; CL trophy in the cabinet while also getting to a final the season before. Again no fluke.

How long has it taken Pep to get to a single final?
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Easily. By a country mile. If City and Liverpool fans were offered to wife-swap managers for two seasons, City fans would vote yes by a huge majority. Liverpool fans would vote no way in even larger numbers.

Klopp basically won the PL with a club that doesn't know how to, despite losing it on 97 points. So no fluke. More importantly, he comes in and snap; CL trophy in the cabinet while also getting to a final the season before. Again no fluke.

How long has it taken Pep to get to a single final?
If you genuinely believe that then I'm not sure what you're smoking?
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If you genuinely believe that then I'm not sure what you're smoking?
Yeah, I'd be amazed if any City fan would swap any manager in history for Pep, never mind Klopp.
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If you genuinely believe that then I'm not sure what you're smoking?
See you back here after Chelsea deny City yet another CL trophy.
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Yeah, I'd be amazed if any City fan would swap any manager in history for Pep, never mind Klopp.
They wouldn't want Paisley? Is this a wind up? Am I on TV?
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They wouldn't want Paisley? Is this a wind up? Am I on TV?

Id wager > 90% of their fans have never even heard of Paisley
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