It appears you have not yet registered with our community. To register please click here...

est1892
Old 10-04-13, 11:29 PM   #8361
Fredo
Not to be taken seriously
 
Fredo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 31,846
__________________
Are we winning?
Fredo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-13, 11:55 PM   #8362
Chris
Typing Tourettes is a thing
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 20,534
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnfieldForever View Post
A dig?
The paranoia surrounding him is insane. I'd think even Rafa would be embarrassed by it.
Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 08:12 AM   #8363
danperkins
Martin Skrtel can win a game of Connect Four in three moves
 
danperkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 35,486
It's so cringeyworthy. Thank god i avoid this thread for the most part.... anddddd i'm gone
__________________
When in doubt, mumble.
danperkins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 09:05 AM   #8364
Fredo
Not to be taken seriously
 
Fredo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 31,846
Quote:
Originally Posted by danperkins View Post
It's so cringeyworthy. Thank god i avoid this thread for the most part.... anddddd i'm gone
You obviously fall for it eaaaach time.
__________________
Are we winning?
Fredo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 09:07 AM   #8365
Shaggy
Dressed up as Batman?
 
Shaggy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 128,145
You're such a WUM merchant, Nigel
__________________
I was playing doctors and nurses with my female cousin. I was about 6 or 7, and we were inserting little toy stuffs in our bum holes. Does it count as snogging?
Shaggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 09:17 AM   #8366
Lee
Chunder camel
 
Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 31,717
__________________
I like Party Gran Belsay. She's lovely. She's a lovely woman.
Lee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 09:41 AM   #8367
RedReet
Fantasy Football Champion
 
RedReet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 21,122
Quote:
Originally Posted by danperkins View Post
It's so cringeyworthy. Thank god i avoid this thread for the most part.... anddddd i'm gone


Mods, rename all threads 'Rafa threads'.
RedReet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 09:43 AM   #8368
Vermilion
Shooterista
 
Vermilion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 32,026
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedReet View Post


Mods, rename all threads 'Rafa threads'.
You know he wont see this till the next time he comes into this thread, so you'll have to wait till after dinner for him to bite.
Vermilion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 09:47 AM   #8369
Fredo
Not to be taken seriously
 
Fredo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 31,846
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy View Post
You're such a WUM merchant, Nigel
No matter how obvious it is, there are some who'll take the bait.
__________________
Are we winning?
Fredo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 09:50 AM   #8370
RedReet
Fantasy Football Champion
 
RedReet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 21,122
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vermilion View Post
You know he wont see this till the next time he comes into this thread, so you'll have to wait till after dinner for him to bite.
Nah, he's already seen it. Those who protest about this thread love it more than the 'RCDNW' brigade. He's not in the top ten most posters for this thread for nothing.
RedReet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 10:59 AM   #8371
red g
Paisley
 
red g's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 26,434
TEAMtalk guest Rich Kitto looks at Rafael Benitez's relationship with the Liverpool fans and examines whether he could ever return to Anfield.

Benitez reconfirmed his adoration and commitment both for his wife and a bird he had a passionate six-year fling with on Tuesday when he confidently told Marca: "I will return to Liverpool one day almost certainly, my daughters and wife are still living there."

And much like a man who once had a great thing going with a woman before an awkward separation, he clearly hasn't got over his previous encounter with Liverpool.

But the whole relationship between Liverpool, the fans, the city, the players and the Spaniard has always been a complicated one, as some supporters go to bed dreaming of the reunion with Rafa, whilst others much prefer the Northern Irishman currently wearing the trousers.

Though whilst considering everything Benitez has previously done for the club, can he ever be considered suitable for the role again?

Surely a new direction and style is what's required for a team in transition?

Brendan Rodgers must have been quietly cursing when Benitez was installed as interim Chelsea manager in November. Having spent the last six months coaching players and fans round to his way of thinking and encouraging them to forget about a certain Mr Kenny Dalglish, the last thing he would have wanted was another previous manager with a huge affinity to his current club thrust back into the limelight.

Regardless of future circumstances, Benitez will forever be associated with Liverpool, and certainly more so than any club he has managed to date, which is surprising considering his success at Valencia.

Though the man depicted by today's press is very different to the one that took Liverpool so close to the title in the 08-09 season. He was calm, assertive, reassuring and bold without large claim. He was the first Spaniard to manage in the Premier League and as such brought new techniques and methods that combined extremely effectively with some classy foreign imports.

Now that he's seen as an over-sensitive, stubborn part-timer who only likes to talk facts', Benitez has become a symbol of pity and sympathy for many (even within Chelsea), and as such his success at Liverpool has been somewhat diluted.

Yes, yes we're all aware of that Champions League victory, that FA Cup final win thanks to Steven Gerrard, and that victory in the Nou Camp. But whilst results are seemingly all that matter in this business, the progress that Benitez's team made to claim those trophies goes unrecognised and far supersedes the performance of the current side.

For instance, between October and December 2005 Liverpool set a new club record of 11 consecutive clean sheets - so far this season that stands at three. In the same season they won 12 games in a row (again a club record), compared to four so far this term. In the 06-07 season the team went 30 games unbeaten at Anfield, current best is four so far. In 07-08 the Reds scored more goals in the league (119) than any other team in England (currently 59 with six to play). In the 08-09 campaign they amassed their highest ever points tally in the league thanks in part to winning 13 league games away from home (currently set at five wins). Then finally in the 09-10 season Benitez's team broke another club record of scoring in 18 consecutive Premier League games at Anfield, which is a stark comparison to the Reds' game at home against West Ham last weekend.

Of course its unfair to judge Rodgers completely in a like-for-like comparison, as Benitez had years to construct and shape the team he desired, whereas Rodgers has largely been handed a team made up of previous managerial signings. Though the point being that whilst many supporters of clubs other than Liverpool will heavily mock and humour the fans for harping back to Benitez, and vice versa, the club had some unprecedented success whilst the Spaniard was in charge that has not been met since.

But it was far more than purely the results or style of play that lead Liverpool supporters to become so enamoured with the Spaniard, more so it was his willingness to take on the 'big boys' and more specifically Sir Alex Ferguson. Whilst that ultimately ended up with his infamous 'rant', one of the large reasons that Reds supporters never warmed to Roy Hodgson was his support, or rather lack of vitriol, towards the team that knocked them off their perch. And lest we forget the hugely generous £96,000 donation the Spaniard made to the Hillsborough foundation. Ultimately Benitez understood Liverpool, and Liverpool accepted Benitez as one of their own.

But whilst Rafa shares this affinity and past success with the club, Rodgers is right in the assertion that if Benitez was really wanted back at the club he loves then that could have happened last summer: "Obviously that opportunity was there in the summer if the owners wanted to go down that route as Rafa was unemployed and not working. But they felt it best to go in a different direction and develop the club in a different way."

And this different direction is with a man who epitomises modern-day management. Yes Rodgers may lay claim to a few hyberboles and embarrassing gestures featuring envelopes, but he has the team moving along the right path. Their inconsistency has been present - and extremely frustrating - for the past few years and is something that needs to be addressed, but Rodgers has invested well in the squad and reinvigorating those that initially were deemed surplus.

Whilst Benitez recently got vocal support at Anfield following one of the tougher phases he was going through at Stamford Bridge, it seemed more a sign of mutual admiration then a plea for a return from the home faithful. After all, since leaving Liverpool seventh in league at the end of the 09-10 season, his career hasn't exactly flourished.

Rodgers deserves the time to break the records that Benitez has put before him, and although Rafa has carved his presence into the clubs illustrious history, that is exactly where he should remain. It is time for all involved to move on.


thought this was quite a decent article worth posting
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/86...e-Reds-return-
__________________
_____________________________________

Weak willed, Wank or do they have a masterplan?

Think we have the answer..Klopp
red g is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 11:15 AM   #8372
Glenn Hysen
Fagan
 
Glenn Hysen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,448
__________________
"Justice has been done."
Glenn Hysen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 11:23 AM   #8373
Kenneth
Dan Ashcroft
 
Kenneth's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 48,930
It doesn't really say anything though does it?
Kenneth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 11:41 AM   #8374
Eric Swindler
Benitez
 
Eric Swindler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 661
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth View Post
It doesn't really say anything though does it?
It's a polite way of saying he ain't coming back
Eric Swindler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 02:15 PM   #8375
baitman
Daddy day care
 
baitman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 21,384
rafa must be laughing his head off at how his 'innocent' comments have become news. lol
__________________
Champions of Europe and the World. removing all the weak links makes us stronger

too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all, but not VVD or Alisson
baitman is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 02:23 PM   #8376
Arn
Hodgsoned
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 7,129
We all know that he won't be back as long as Ayre is at the club. Even if Rodgers would get sacked then FSG would sign up another manager.

They showed last summer that he won't even be considered. If FSG wanted Rafa back then he would be our manager now and not Rodgers.
Arn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 02:26 PM   #8377
RichC
Meh
 
RichC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 34,988
Exactly, they didn't consider him and he manages Chelsea we should all just leave it there, I'd be amazed if he ever managed us again now tbh
RichC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 02:28 PM   #8378
Tee
El Pistolero
 
Tee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 35,765
Quote:
Originally Posted by rcasemore View Post
Exactly, they didn't consider him and he manages Chelsea we should all just leave it there, I'd be amazed if he ever managed us again now tbh


When we ever look beyond BR there is only one name that should be on that list anyway, and it sounds like Kop.
__________________
"Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley
Tee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 06:11 PM   #8379
Gibbo
Like a boss
 
Gibbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 26,211
Uno - Uno in the Chelsea game.
__________________
The times they are a changin'.
Gibbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 06:14 PM   #8380
Gibbo
Like a boss
 
Gibbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 26,211
Dos - Uno

Moses
__________________
The times they are a changin'.
Gibbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 06:21 PM   #8381
Gibbo
Like a boss
 
Gibbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 26,211
Dos - Dos
__________________
The times they are a changin'.
Gibbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 06:33 PM   #8382
Gibbo
Like a boss
 
Gibbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 26,211
Pelanty for Roobin
__________________
The times they are a changin'.
Gibbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 06:33 PM   #8383
Gibbo
Like a boss
 
Gibbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 26,211
Tres - Dos
__________________
The times they are a changin'.
Gibbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 07:30 PM   #8384
Neil Young
Prosecco Socialist
 
Neil Young's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 62,564
¡Me gusta la españolidad de tus actualizaciones, mi amigo equino!
__________________
.
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



May the Lord bless this post.
Neil Young is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-13, 10:20 PM   #8385
fah-q
Touching cloth
 
fah-q's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 16,308
Autolavado
fah-q is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-13, 08:40 PM   #8386
JudgeRed
Houllier
 
JudgeRed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 386
Dunno if anyone's seen this- a decent read I thought even tho its old. From a site called Lifes a Pitch- I don't know how to post the link.

Expert Opinion

benitez-4-apr

04Apr

Why Benítez could yet end up as manager of the year

by Scott Murray avatar


Share:








In the wake of guiding Chelsea past Manchester United and into the FA Cup semi-finals, Rafael Benítez was asked whether he’d like a little recognition for his efforts. “I don’t need credit,” came the deadpan reply. “The players and staff were happy and the fans were pleased. I’m quite happy with that.” Benítez has his faults, like the rest of humanity, but nobody can accuse him of worrying unduly about what others think of him.

You do wonder whether it would annoy a more neurotic individual, though. With the exception of certain pockets of Merseyside, Benítez is strangely underappreciated in this country, and a flat-out figure of ridicule to many. This nationwide state of affairs – the seethers of Stamford Bridge have their own specific beefs from spats in the Champions League – can be traced to that infamous ‘facts’ rant of 2009. Before it, Benítez enjoyed a well-earned reputation as a tactical guru. But ever since taking on Fergie and coming off second best – which hardly makes the man unique – he’s been painted as something of a bumbling oaf.

This consensus is absurd, nothing short of scandalous. He turned perennial bridesmaids Valencia into two-time La Liga winners, the only club to break the Real-Barca hegemony in the past dozen seasons; he won the Spanish club’s first European trophy for nearly 25 years; he lifted Liverpool’s fifth European Cup with a motley crew of Gérard Houllier cast-offs; his Reds won the greatest FA Cup final of modern times; he took them to a second Champions League final and then led them in their most serious tilt at the title since the days when the best team in the land could contain players such as Glenn Hysen, David Burrows and Barry Venison.

Benítez will never match the feats of the unique Sir Alex Ferguson, nor is he in the same league as those who, one day, might nudge Fergie’s achievements – José Mourinho and Pep Guardiola. Yet consider this: should he lead Chelsea to the Europa League this season, he’ll become only the third man in history to win European trophies at three different clubs, alongside Giovanni Trapattoni (yes, youth of Ireland, the old boy used to know what he was doing) and Udo Lattek. He’s a top-drawer act.

And it’s not beyond the realms of outrageous fantasy that Benítez could prove this yet again over the next six weeks. Should he land an FA Cup and European double, he’ll be the first manager to do so since… well, OK, Roberto Di Matteo last season. But while he’d be certain to come second best in that particular popularity contest, a trophy or two would nevertheless be quite a return from this almost impossible situation – to the point where he’d surely be this season’s most deserving recipient of the manager of the year award.

After all, none of the other big managerial beasts have totally nailed it: Fergie might have snaffled another title, but he wanted the European Cup above all else and couldn’t mount a serious challenge; Roberto Mancini has been all over the shop at Manchester City, ditto Arsène Wenger at the Emirates; the jury’s still out on André Villas-Boas, with Tottenham’s progress as a team distorted by the superhuman efforts of Gareth Bale; David Moyes still hasn’t won anything at Everton and probably never will; Brendan Rodgers spent half the season starring in what appeared to be a sitcom. Even the hipster’s choice, Michael Laudrup, has effectively packed his players off to the beach three months early. It’s not been a 10-out-of-10 showing from any of them.

Of course, it’s not been a perfect showing from Benítez yet, either. If Rubin Kazan whistle three into Chelsea’s net tonight, and Man City reach their second cup final in three seasons next weekend, Rafa will be exiting through Roman’s revolving door as unloved as when he came through it. Well, OK, he’ll be doing that even if he wins both cups. But given the situation he walked in to, and the oppressive atmosphere he’s been operating in, it’ll be the mother of all achievements if he adds anything to Chelsea’s roll of honour at all.

Benítez stands tantalisingly close to a singularly strange kind of success, seven games from unheralded glory. But even if he fails, and the man never wins another trophy again, here’s something else to consider: he’ll forever be a two-club Euro winner, part of an exclusive set that also includes Ottmar Hitzfeld, Ernst Happel, Bobby Robson, Sven-Goran Eriksson, Helenio Herrera, José Villalonga, Johan Cruyff, Sir Alex Ferguson – and José Mourinho. One of the special ones already, then. Even if few want to give him any credit for it.
__________________
In Klopp we trust.
JudgeRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-13, 09:29 PM   #8387
Norbs
Big Girl's Blouse
 
Norbs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 30,370
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tee View Post


When we ever look beyond BR there is only one name that should be on that list anyway, and it sounds like Kop.
Paolo Wanchope?
__________________
Fuck the FA cup.

Actually, I hope we win it, tie the cup to a rope and drag it behind the bus in our PL victory parade. [Kenneth 4:2]
Norbs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-04-13, 10:50 AM   #8388
Reece
 
Reece's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 77,054
Happy birthday Rafa
Reece is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-04-13, 01:18 PM   #8389
Arn
Hodgsoned
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 7,129
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reece View Post
Happy birthday Rafa
Arn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-04-13, 01:26 PM   #8390
dom9
Ant Pisser
 
dom9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 64,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arn View Post
__________________
Oh I don't know.
dom9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-04-13, 01:32 PM   #8391
Arn
Hodgsoned
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 7,129
Arn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-04-13, 01:33 PM   #8392
dom9
Ant Pisser
 
dom9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 64,318
Rafa Cakes.
__________________
Oh I don't know.
dom9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-04-13, 03:37 PM   #8393
Neil Young
Prosecco Socialist
 
Neil Young's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 62,564
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reece View Post
Happy birthday Rafa


You're obsessed.
__________________
.
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



May the Lord bless this post.
Neil Young is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-04-13, 04:15 PM   #8394
Arn
Hodgsoned
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 7,129
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Young View Post


You're obsessed.
So, should we sack Rodgers and replace him with Rafa?
Arn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-04-13, 04:16 PM   #8395
Gibbo
Like a boss
 
Gibbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 26,211
Yes. Just to watch this site implode, explode and then implode again.
__________________
The times they are a changin'.
Gibbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-04-13, 04:47 PM   #8396
Neil Young
Prosecco Socialist
 
Neil Young's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 62,564
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arn View Post
So, should we sack Rodgers and replace him with Rafa?


I'm not saying that must happen but if FSG do not sack Rodger and replace him with Rafa then they must ask themselve why they have not done it. And if they ask themselve that then they must sack him or sack themselve. I do not think it will happen and I do not want it to happen but it must happen and it will happen and I want it to.

__________________
.
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



May the Lord bless this post.
Neil Young is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-04-13, 04:50 PM   #8397
dom9
Ant Pisser
 
dom9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 64,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Young View Post


I'm not saying that must happen but if FSG do not sack Rodger and replace him with Rafa then they must ask themselve why they have not done it. And if they ask themselve that then they must sack him or sack themselve. I do not think it will happen and I do not want it to happen but it must happen and it will happen and I want it to.

Are you boring yourself again?
__________________
Oh I don't know.
dom9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-04-13, 04:52 PM   #8398
Neil Young
Prosecco Socialist
 
Neil Young's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 62,564
No, not this time. I like speaking in Arnish using Arnic logic. I find it soothing.
__________________
.
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



May the Lord bless this post.
Neil Young is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-04-13, 04:53 PM   #8399
dom9
Ant Pisser
 
dom9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 64,318
Oh good
__________________
Oh I don't know.
dom9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-04-13, 04:54 PM   #8400
Neil Young
Prosecco Socialist
 
Neil Young's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 62,564
Am I boring you, dom?
__________________
.
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



May the Lord bless this post.
Neil Young is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  est1892 > Football > General Football

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:53 AM.


Our Current Balance versus Target. Please help us: (Donate)

Kindly Hosted By DigitalWales
Any posts remain the responsibility of the poster. Neither est1892, its Owners nor any company affiliated will be held responsible from any disputes arising from these posts. The views raised are not necessarily those held by the website or its owners.

 

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.