Jürgen Klopp - Page 209

Fivex · 28-02-21, 10:45 PM

Pep by all accounts

Buzzo · 28-02-21, 10:49 PM

Klopp looks knackered.

If ever a guy needed 56,000 people telling him how much he means to us.

foresterbloke · 28-02-21, 10:52 PM

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If Stevie took over and was a great success it would obviously be the dream but he has an awful lot to loose.

YNWA

*lose

Exiled_red · 28-02-21, 11:08 PM

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Yea i agree he needs to have another couple more successful years at Rangers following a soon to be league title. He needs a couple of years at a decent prem side or a championship side, bring them up make them a prem regular. A European team would be good too.

That timeframe means 1 or possibly 2 other LFC managers after Klopp. So who could be a successful replacement for Jurgen?

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Assuming he wants the Liverpool job I would assume his best chance is to stick with Rangers and get them winning things (should have the title this year) and dominating Scottish football and maintain that for however long Klopp is here for. If he comes to England he has to do something remarkable like get and keep a mid table side in contention for top 4.

labourRed · 01-03-21, 12:01 AM

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Assuming he wants the Liverpool job I would assume his best chance is to stick with Rangers and get them winning things (should have the title this year) and dominating Scottish football and maintain that for however long Klopp is here for. If he comes to England he has to do something remarkable like get and keep a mid table side in contention for top 4.

I'd say it's a given.

Gerrard is best leaving Rangers and getting another gig, no way is he repeating that feat against a half decent manager of Celtic.

Ams12 · 01-03-21, 01:02 AM

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I'd say it's a given.

Gerrard is best leaving Rangers and getting another gig, no way is he repeating that feat against a half decent manager of Celtic.

That would be the challenge! To show he can overcome financial superiority by creating a squad capable of playing good football and winning games.

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Norbs · 01-03-21, 06:04 AM

He'll have to get used to that if he comes here

Exiled_red · 01-03-21, 08:31 AM

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I'd say it's a given.

Gerrard is best leaving Rangers and getting another gig, no way is he repeating that feat against a half decent manager of Celtic

If he isn't capable of doing that I don't see him being good enough to be manager of LFC.

McDermotX · 03-03-21, 06:36 PM

Man is pure class

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Peter_Griffin · 03-03-21, 07:04 PM

He’s the best of us.

Shaggy · 03-03-21, 07:09 PM

God he's good

Buzzo · 03-03-21, 07:12 PM

That is beautiful sentiment.

Norbs · 03-03-21, 08:46 PM

Jurgen was the best we could hope for when the times were good and now it's clear that he's the best we could hope for when times are difficult

Roboklopp · 03-03-21, 09:53 PM

I hope he stays with us for a long, long time.

frank the tank · 04-03-21, 09:13 AM

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I'd say it's a given.

Gerrard is best leaving Rangers and getting another gig, no way is he repeating that feat against a half decent manager of Celtic.

Not sure I agree. Obviously it is a fuckin pub league but they are unbeaten this season. Not much more he could have done domestically.

In europe he has done okay as well - much better than expected. Especially when you consider the resources he has.

I don't think it would necessarily be wise for him to become LFC manager to be honest. But i really admire the route he has gone down in his managerial career. The money he has made and the fact that he could have had a really nice lifestyle maybe dong a bit of TV with the likes of Ferdinand on BT Sport, you have to admire him for going into management.

It is hard to see what his next step would be though. There is validity in saying he should go to a Southampton and try it in the Prem. However, what would success really be there? Top half of the table. And is that still good enough then to become LFC manager??? I'm not sure it is to be honest. Another option would be to come back and work with the first team under Jurgen for a year or two before he took over. That might be a disaster too though as Pep might have ideas of that too.

Hard to say but surely if he stays in management for 20 years or so, then he will have an opportunity sometime down the line when LFC are in need.

Tribute · 04-03-21, 04:16 PM

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Not sure I agree. Obviously it is a fuckin pub league but they are unbeaten this season. Not much more he could have done domestically.

In europe he has done okay as well - much better than expected. Especially when you consider the resources he has.

I don't think it would necessarily be wise for him to become LFC manager to be honest. But i really admire the route he has gone down in his managerial career. The money he has made and the fact that he could have had a really nice lifestyle maybe dong a bit of TV with the likes of Ferdinand on BT Sport, you have to admire him for going into management.

It is hard to see what his next step would be though. There is validity in saying he should go to a Southampton and try it in the Prem. However, what would success really be there? Top half of the table. And is that still good enough then to become LFC manager??? I'm not sure it is to be honest. Another option would be to come back and work with the first team under Jurgen for a year or two before he took over. That might be a disaster too though as Pep might have ideas of that too.

Hard to say but surely if he stays in management for 20 years or so, then he will have an opportunity sometime down the line when LFC are in need.

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can't see him being anywhere near LFC for another couple of years at least... looks like Pep is our succession plan after Jurgen. Maybe Gerrard is destined to be #2 behind Pep... so he's the successor to him?

Jaco_Pastorious · 04-03-21, 04:39 PM

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can't see him being anywhere near LFC for another couple of years at least... looks like Pep is our succession plan after Jurgen. Maybe Gerrard is destined to be #2 behind Pep... so he's the successor to him?

For some reason I have had a gut feeling that Nagelsmann could end up managing us in three or four years if he continues to do well as a manager and especially if he manages to win some silverware along the way.

Rangnick is another guy that I felt could be a shorter term appointment for us at some stage.

And to continue the RB trend, I would not be hugely surprised if someone like Jesse Marsch was on our owner's radar at some point in the future. American, progressive, builds teams that can punch above their weight ( Although more in European football than domestically in the case of RB Salzburg)

All three share a lot of similarities with how Klopp sets up teams and seem to have similar philosophies with regards to what they value in a player, all three loving players that show character on and off the pitch, all three love players that play well in a number of positions, all three seem to value loyalty, and all three are not afriad to give young players a chance.

Although might be a stretch to say Rangnick is/was influenced by Klopp given he is a guy that Klopp often namechecks as being a major influence on how Klopp sees the game.

Norbs · 04-03-21, 04:50 PM

Whoever it is will be a step down

Jaco_Pastorious · 04-03-21, 05:01 PM

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Whoever it is will be a step down

Right now anyone we could think of would be a step down, but hopefully in whatever number of years the person we get in will not be as big a step down as a football manager as he would be right now.

The step down in terms of being a properly decent and inspiring human being on the other hand I think is inevitable. In that respect, Jurgen for me breathes the same rarified air as Bill, Bob and Kenny.

Big-Red-Ed · 04-03-21, 06:18 PM

I know it was a different time but Bob probably seemed a step down from Shanks and look how that turned out. Jurgen has set the new dynasty in place. Get a man with similar footballing beliefs and keep the general club structure in place and we should carry on being successful. But I will always miss Jurgens personality no matter who comes next.

YNWA

Corndog · 04-03-21, 06:28 PM

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For some reason I have had a gut feeling that Nagelsmann could end up managing us in three or four years if he continues to do well as a manager and especially if he manages to win some silverware along the way.

Rangnick is another guy that I felt could be a shorter term appointment for us at some stage.

And to continue the RB trend, I would not be hugely surprised if someone like Jesse Marsch was on our owner's radar at some point in the future. American, progressive, builds teams that can punch above their weight ( Although more in European football than domestically in the case of RB Salzburg)

All three share a lot of similarities with how Klopp sets up teams and seem to have similar philosophies with regards to what they value in a player, all three loving players that show character on and off the pitch, all three love players that play well in a number of positions, all three seem to value loyalty, and all three are not afriad to give young players a chance.

Although might be a stretch to say Rangnick is/was influenced by Klopp given he is a guy that Klopp often namechecks as being a major influence on how Klopp sees the game.

I also think Nagelsmann could be in the running but I personally hope not. He's got a decent record and is very young but he comes across a bit of a narcissistic twat.

Rangnick & Marsch possibly, Pochettino depending on where he's at when the time comes.... I actually think Ralph Hassenhuettl could be a consideration.

Lucien Favre potentially another although much more left of field.

Whilst he's had a bit of an inconsistent time at Southampton, I think he's done a good job and got them on a good track of improvement overall. Another one who has the Red Bull connection too.

Gerrard's definitely a possibility but I'd like to see him take control of another prem side first. He's done very well at Rangers no doubt.

The question mark I have around him is how much of that success was down to his connections with LFC / his status as a recently retired legendary player within the game who lots of players want to play for. Would those players have gone to Rangers without the status he brings or his connection to a club that produces lots of decent players?

Irishnev · 04-03-21, 06:54 PM

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I also think Nagelsmann could be in the running but I personally hope not. He's got a decent record and is very young but he comes across a bit of a narcissistic twat.

Rangnick & Marsch possibly, Pochettino depending on where he's at when the time comes.... I actually think Ralph Hassenhuettl could be a consideration.

Lucien Favre potentially another although much more left of field.

Whilst he's had a bit of an inconsistent time at Southampton, I think he's done a good job and got them on a good track of improvement overall. Another one who has the Red Bull connection too.

Gerrard's definitely a possibility but I'd like to see him take control of another prem side first. He's done very well at Rangers no doubt.

The question mark I have around him is how much of that success was down to his connections with LFC / his status as a recently retired legendary player within the game who lots of players want to play for. Would those players have gone to Rangers without the status he brings or his connection to a club that produces lots of decent players?

Anyone coming from the Red Bull set up seem to suit us - Naglesmann is a super young coach but has won nothing and he chops and changes his tactics so often that you need a team of generalists. Marsch looks interesting but surely he’ll replace Naglesmann, Rose is good but off to BVB and Gerrard still needs to manage in a more competitive league for me

danperkins · 04-03-21, 11:07 PM

Hate to say it but Jurgen doesn't seem to know what to do.

BobTheCharmer · 04-03-21, 11:09 PM

Football is dead without fans and this is clearly klopps kyptonite.

Fivex · 04-03-21, 11:10 PM

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Football is dead without fans and this is clearly klopps kyptonite.

Buzzo · 04-03-21, 11:12 PM

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Football is dead without fans and this is clearly klopps kyptonite.

Haha, yeah. He feeds off the crowd. He is making some random decisions though.

I must admit the whole thing feels like a charade.

Assassin · 04-03-21, 11:13 PM

If Klopp was at any other club right now he would be sacked. That’s how pityful we are

Roboklopp · 04-03-21, 11:15 PM

No, Klopp shouldn’t be sacked after one bad season. That’s not in the LFC DNA.

Shaggy · 04-03-21, 11:16 PM

The subs were absolutely baffling, the sort of muddled, bizarre thinking managers tend to slip into when everything's going wrong.

Assassin · 04-03-21, 11:17 PM

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No, Klopp shouldn’t be sacked after one bad season. That’s not in the LFC DNA.

I didn’t say he should be sacked........

Roboklopp · 04-03-21, 11:18 PM

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I didn’t say he should be sacked........

But you implied we are pitiful for not doing so.

Assassin · 04-03-21, 11:18 PM

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The subs were absolutely baffling, the sort of muddled, bizarre thinking managers tend to slip into when everything's going wrong.

Should have been Jota and Keita for Firmino and Jones

Assassin · 04-03-21, 11:20 PM

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But you implied we are pitiful for not doing so.

No, I was making a statement about how abysmal the team is......

Anyways I’m outta here....enjoy the Fulham debacle.....I’m done with wasting 2 hours of my life every few days.....

BobTheCharmer · 04-03-21, 11:20 PM

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The subs were absolutely baffling, the sort of muddled, bizarre thinking managers tend to slip into when everything's going wrong.

houllier and Rafa went down the same path.

Overall my feeling is sorrow for the man. He didn't deserve any of this shit show. He's now more than contributing to it and I don't see him turning it around. We've fallen too far too quick.

danperkins · 04-03-21, 11:20 PM

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Should have been Jota and Keita for Firmino and Jones

This

Roboklopp · 04-03-21, 11:21 PM

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No, I was making a statement about how abysmal the team is......

Fair enough, aye you’re right then.

Buzzo · 04-03-21, 11:22 PM

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Should have been Jota and Keita for Firmino and Jones

Taking Salah off was mental. Leaving Firmino and Mane on was equally mental.

Pepe79 · 04-03-21, 11:23 PM

We’re juggling an intense schedule, tired/out of form players, injured players, players returning from injury.

Subbing Mo off and bringing Milner on when we’re chasing the game may look mad. But it’s not always as black and white as it can seem to us. We have to remember that Klopp and the coaching staff are making their decisions with far more information than we have.

BigChief · 04-03-21, 11:27 PM

This isn't a season to be judging teams, players or managers (except maybe Lampard which was correct). We'll find out if anything is permanent next season.

hoeyd2 · 04-03-21, 11:28 PM

People can come out of slumps. He doesn't need to leave us to get better. We don't need him to leave us to get better. He'll get there.

We likely won't be in the Champions League next year, but is there anyone else you'd want fighting for us to get back there when we have crowds again?