Roberto Firmino - Page 103

BobTheCharmer · 17-12-20, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzzo

I agree. He definitely had one of his best games in ages. Was picking some great pockets of space, and keeping the ball well. When his touch is right and he is not giving the ball away you know he is on it.

Had 2 or 3 shots at goal and then the header was a bullet.

Exiled_red · 17-12-20, 12:08 AM

Hopefully this will give him a confidence boost and he can go on a bit of a goal scoring run, as he's tended to be a patchy goalscorer.

Fredo · 17-12-20, 12:10 AM

He’s never going to be a goal scoring machine. Never has. Good luck with that guys.

Cormack74 · 17-12-20, 12:10 AM

I reckon he's had a confidence boost from Jota being out of the picture for a few weeks (months?)

baitman · 17-12-20, 12:12 AM

Hes been edging for far too long, but proper emptied his sack there.

#gushing

Buzzo · 17-12-20, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Fredo

He’s never going to be a goal scoring machine. Never has. Good luck with that guys.

Nobody is saying that though? He had one of his best games in ages, that is totally accurate.

He isnt going to get 20-30 goals per season, but the fact he is getting more involved in moves and is having some shots is a good sign, a sign that he is playing better if you will.

Exiled_red · 17-12-20, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by baitman

Hes been edging for far too long, but proper emptied his sack there.

#gushing

BG1973 · 17-12-20, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BobTheCharmer

I didn't think so. He actually looked dangerous by having a few shots. He's gone runs of games without even threatening the goal. I know it's not all about goals but for me if you play in a team whereby the midfield offer little goal threat, your centre backs offer little from set pieces and you have nowt left on the bench, you need to chip in or at least create danger. He did it very well. He didn't give the ball away much either tonight. The goal capped a better all round game.

When you have 76% possession playing a wall, you're going to take a few shots.

The Bobby debate will run on forever. It wasn't an issue last year when we won every game but it is this year. Personally don't understand why he is singled out.

Maybe it's Mane's turn now.

BobTheCharmer · 17-12-20, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BG1973

When you have 76% possession playing a wall, you're going to take a few shots.

The Bobby debate will run on forever. It wasn't an issue last year when we won every game but it is this year. Personally don't understand why he is singled out.

Maybe it's Mane's turn now.

Pretty simple really. If you win games, most stuff is forgotten. Who really cares if you get 3 points? If you don't win games its natural to look at why. To win games you need to score. Sometimes salah or mane won't score so someone needs to step up. I really don't understand the issue.

Fredo · 17-12-20, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzzo

Nobody is saying that though? He had one of his best games in ages, that is totally accurate.

He isnt going to get 20-30 goals per season, but the fact he is getting more involved in moves and is having some shots is a good sign, a sign that he is playing better if you will.

He plays better when the team and the movement around him is better. That's what I always felt with Bobby. When we're struggling, more often than not his game will be off as it relies on players around him getting into pockets so that he can knit his game around.

As for his goalscoring record, I see this being mentioned in here too often. That's not his game and never has been. If he scores 20 goals a season it's going to be the exception rather the rule. He gets himself into great positions at times but he's not a no 9.

Paul12 · 17-12-20, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzzo

I agree. He definitely had one of his best games in ages. Was picking some great pockets of space...

Partly to do with the way Spurs played. They pressed the wider men so much there was a bit more space for Bobby.

greenturnip · 17-12-20, 09:55 AM

Bobby has always been a fine header of the ball. It helps. Sadio just needs a break...

Shaggy · 17-12-20, 12:14 PM

Great stat. He might not score loads of goals but Christ he scores nearly all the big ones.

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Fucking chances, goals

Buzzo · 17-12-20, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaggy

Great stat. He might not score loads of goals but Christ he scores nearly all the big ones.

https://twitter.com/BassTunedToRed/s...38122388267013

That is a good observation, he seems to love a heat of the battle winner.

PSG, Wolves away last season (quite a similar game to last night actually) and then last night all spring to mind.

Based on how jubilant I feel this morning, the team must be flying

Shaggy · 17-12-20, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzo

That is a good observation, he seems to love a heat of the battle winner.

PSG, Wolves away last season (quite a similar game to last night actually) and then last night all spring to mind.

Based on how jubilant I feel this morning, the team must be flying

Southampton away, Palace away, WCC final, big goals

Roboklopp · 18-12-20, 12:21 PM

Scum?

Jaco_Pastorious · 18-12-20, 01:47 PM

Nah Shaggy is an alright bloke

dizzycat · 18-12-20, 03:38 PM

His reaction after scoring that goal is one of the few things that has put a smile on my face this year. The essence of humanity expressed through pure joy.

Kenneth · 14-02-21, 03:39 PM

It's three years since Bobby was under investigation after Holgate made up a racial abuse accusation to avoid a red card for violent conduct. Time really flies.

Buzzo · 21-02-21, 01:36 AM

What a frustrating player.

Unplayable on his day, but that day is about 1 in 8 games at the moment.

Had at least four chances today. One deflected for a corner, two pea rollers and one shanked into the stands.

He must do better. He seems way too chilled out, feels like he needs to be a bit angrier and more demonstrative. He is just so casual. Needs a bit more of a killer instinct infront of goal. Right now he works hard and delivers nothing.

Fredo · 21-02-21, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzzo

What a frustrating player.

Unplayable on his day, but that day is about 1 in 8 games at the moment.

Had at least four chances today. One deflected for a corner, two pea rollers and one shanked into the stands.

He must do better. He seems way too chilled out, feels like he needs to be a bit angrier and more demonstrative. He is just so casual. Needs a bit more of a killer instinct infront of goal. Right now he works hard and delivers nothing.

On the contrary, I think he's forcing it way too much and overthinking it.

Zapater · 21-02-21, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzzo

What a frustrating player.

Unplayable on his day, but that day is about 1 in 8 games at the moment.

Had at least four chances today. One deflected for a corner, two pea rollers and one shanked into the stands.

He must do better. He seems way too chilled out, feels like he needs to be a bit angrier and more demonstrative. He is just so casual. Needs a bit more of a killer instinct infront of goal. Right now he works hard and delivers nothing.

Hard to judge a players level of self critique based on external body language. For all anyone knows he could be in pieces or furious internally whilst exuding a different demeanour.

danperkins · 22-02-21, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzo

What a frustrating player.

Unplayable on his day, but that day is about 1 in 8 games at the moment.

Had at least four chances today. One deflected for a corner, two pea rollers and one shanked into the stands.

He must do better. He seems way too chilled out, feels like he needs to be a bit angrier and more demonstrative. He is just so casual. Needs a bit more of a killer instinct infront of goal. Right now he works hard and delivers nothing.

If we had a fully fit side I would be surprised if he wasn't on the bench. I'm getting a bit tired of saying Bobby is quality but...

He has been so poor over the last year or so apart from a few games here and there & I wonder just how much longer we will stick with him if this dismal form continues.

Irishnev · 22-02-21, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by danperkins

If we had a fully fit side I would be surprised if he wasn't on the bench. I'm getting a bit tired of saying Bobby is quality but...

He has been so poor over the last year or so apart from a few games here and there & I wonder just how much longer we will stick with him if this dismal form continues.

His form started to lag over a year ago and the hard work with intermittent flashes of genius don’t cut it anymore. When Klopp came in he focussed on the attack and worked on defence afterwards. I think we need a CB to partner VVD and we equally need a centre forward to score goals

Buzzo · 22-02-21, 01:50 PM

I wouldn't be against us bringing Grealish in. He is class. I was a sceptic, but he looks amazing in every game I see him play. He is constantly producing, good with the ball in pretty much every area of the pitch. And Prem proven.

Obviously a bit of a 'character' but I dont see that as a massive problem.

danperkins · 22-02-21, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Irishnev

His form started to lag over a year ago and the hard work with intermittent flashes of genius don’t cut it anymore. When Klopp came in he focussed on the attack and worked on defence afterwards. I think we need a CB to partner VVD and we equally need a centre forward to score goals

Absolutely, he is a fan favorite so I get why people jump to his defence but if you are a centre forward at LFC you have to score goals. It's as simple as that and his numbers have dropped off over the last while. I can't believe someone with that much quality has such a poor strike of a ball, either that or it's lack of composure.

Exiled_red · 22-02-21, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzo

I wouldn't be against us bringing Grealish in. He is class. I was a sceptic, but he looks amazing in every game I see him play. He is constantly producing, good with the ball in pretty much every area of the pitch. And Prem proven.

Obviously a bit of a 'character' but I dont see that as a massive problem.

I haven't seen much of him as I hardly watch other teams games just highlights. Is Grealish not just given effectively a free role at Villa and wonder if he could reproduce that form somewhere else where he has a more defined role.

Also what is his work rate like?

danperkins · 22-02-21, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzo

I wouldn't be against us bringing Grealish in. He is class. I was a sceptic, but he looks amazing in every game I see him play. He is constantly producing, good with the ball in pretty much every area of the pitch. And Prem proven.

Obviously a bit of a 'character' but I dont see that as a massive problem.

I've been a sceptic too but he's a fabulous player, not sure if he has the discipline to play under Klopp as he seems more of a free spirit. I just wonder will we fall so far this season that we won't be considered by the top tier lads? The best guys want to be playing in the champions league after all. I see United written all over Grealish

Jaco_Pastorious · 22-02-21, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzo

I wouldn't be against us bringing Grealish in. He is class. I was a sceptic, but he looks amazing in every game I see him play. He is constantly producing, good with the ball in pretty much every area of the pitch. And Prem proven.

Obviously a bit of a 'character' but I dont see that as a massive problem.

Grealish looks a player but I wonder where he would fit in our team tbh. He gets more or less a free role at Villa and not sure how well he works in a press. Then again he does look talented enough to perform at a higher level.

Martinez at Inter is who I would like to see come in (Haaland would be a dream buy but think Martinez is more gettable)

High work rate, quick, quite physical, good on the ball and good at beating a player. Good in the air in a Mane sort of way as in he looks too short to be as effective as he is in the air. Can play as a lone striker or can play really well in a deeper almost 9.5 role.

Presses in a manner not unlike how Suarez used to when without the ball and will come deep to battle for the ball and to harry midfielders.

frank the tank · 22-02-21, 02:33 PM

I think if Jota hadn't got injured then it's likely that Frmino would be on the bench a lot now....

S-RED · 22-02-21, 02:55 PM

Grealish would cost us in excess of 80mill, so won't be on our radar.

His workrate this season is massively improved, as others have said, he has free reign to go where he wants & the likes on Konta, McGinn do the shovel work for the team

Exiled_red · 22-02-21, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by S-RED

Grealish would cost us in excess of 80mill, so won't be on our radar.

His workrate this season is massively improved, as others have said, he has free reign to go where he wants & the likes on Konta, McGinn do the shovel work for the team

The cost is an absolute non-starter, as I have said elsewhere I wonder if Elliott is/could be developed to play this role in future (it's a few years away at least though...)

Big-Red-Ed · 22-02-21, 07:53 PM

Booby has been brilliant for us but at the end of the day this has gone on too long. We simply can't carry a non scoring striker no matter what else he brings to the side. Everton openly saying that they stifled Salah and Mane and let the chances fall to Bobby knowing he'd probably miss. Hopefully with Jota back soon we can be more unpredictable again. But for next season we have to go balls deep for a Haaland or a Mbappe.

YNWA

Paul12 · 22-02-21, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Big-Red-Ed

We simply can't carry a non scoring striker no matter what else he brings to the side.

Well, just think of him as an advanced midfielder then. His scoring record is better that the other creators.

Ams12 · 22-02-21, 08:10 PM

My choice would be Haaland. Big & strong so can make use of the billion crosses we put in! Can provide for Mane & Salah and vice versa for him. Good on the ball so can score too!

Will be a high fee but 100% will be worth it if we go on to win more trophies!

Think that 1 signing will sort us out again. Virg will be back & hopefully to pre injury standards. Gomez back and again hopefully up to standards once he gets into his stride. Will need a good 3rd Choice instead of Matip. We’ll also need a solution for the 3rd midfield role, Hendo & Fab are 1st choice. Maybe it will be Thiago next season playing in a functioning side so gives Jones another year to establish himself as the more regular 3rd choice. So thats 4 for the 3 spots. If Shaq stays that’s 5 & if Gini leaves, we’ll need that replacement.

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Kenneth · 22-02-21, 08:42 PM

He's also everyone else's choice and therefore he's not coming to Liverpool to play in the Europa League.

BigChief · 22-02-21, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Big-Red-Ed

Booby has been brilliant for us but at the end of the day this has gone on too long. We simply can't carry a non scoring striker no matter what else he brings to the side. Everton openly saying that they stifled Salah and Mane and let the chances fall to Bobby knowing he'd probably miss. Hopefully with Jota back soon we can be more unpredictable again. But for next season we have to go balls deep for a Haaland or a Mbappe.

YNWA

Did the Everton players say that?

They've kind of spoiled it for other PL teams who were hoping to continue using this tactic while Klopp seemed to be the only person who couldn't see this. Now even Klopp will have been shocked that the truth was this blatant.

danperkins · 23-02-21, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth

He's also everyone else's choice and therefore he's not coming to Liverpool to play in the Europa League.

this is the potential reality.