17-12-20, 12:06 AM
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#4081
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Pantomime Villain
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 16,277
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Originally Posted by Buzzo
I agree. He definitely had one of his best games in ages. Was picking some great pockets of space, and keeping the ball well. When his touch is right and he is not giving the ball away you know he is on it.
Had 2 or 3 shots at goal and then the header was a bullet.
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17-12-20, 12:08 AM
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#4082
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Paisley
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 44,172
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Hopefully this will give him a confidence boost and he can go on a bit of a goal scoring run, as he's tended to be a patchy goalscorer.
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17-12-20, 12:10 AM
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#4083
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Not to be taken seriously
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 33,522
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He’s never going to be a goal scoring machine. Never has. Good luck with that guys.
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17-12-20, 12:10 AM
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#4084
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Shankly
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 9,876
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I reckon he's had a confidence boost from Jota being out of the picture for a few weeks (months?)
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17-12-20, 12:12 AM
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#4085
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Daddy day care
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 22,378
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Hes been edging for far too long, but proper emptied his sack there.
#gushing
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17-12-20, 12:16 AM
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#4086
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Donald Buzzworth
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 43,582
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredo
He’s never going to be a goal scoring machine. Never has. Good luck with that guys.
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Nobody is saying that though? He had one of his best games in ages, that is totally accurate.
He isnt going to get 20-30 goals per season, but the fact he is getting more involved in moves and is having some shots is a good sign, a sign that he is playing better if you will.
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17-12-20, 12:21 AM
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#4087
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Paisley
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 44,172
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Quote:
Originally Posted by baitman
Hes been edging for far too long, but proper emptied his sack there.
#gushing 
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17-12-20, 12:26 AM
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Fagan
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,598
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Originally Posted by BobTheCharmer
I didn't think so. He actually looked dangerous by having a few shots. He's gone runs of games without even threatening the goal. I know it's not all about goals but for me if you play in a team whereby the midfield offer little goal threat, your centre backs offer little from set pieces and you have nowt left on the bench, you need to chip in or at least create danger. He did it very well. He didn't give the ball away much either tonight. The goal capped a better all round game.
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When you have 76% possession playing a wall, you're going to take a few shots.
The Bobby debate will run on forever. It wasn't an issue last year when we won every game but it is this year. Personally don't understand why he is singled out.
Maybe it's Mane's turn now.
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17-12-20, 12:37 AM
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#4089
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Pantomime Villain
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 16,277
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Originally Posted by BG1973
When you have 76% possession playing a wall, you're going to take a few shots.
The Bobby debate will run on forever. It wasn't an issue last year when we won every game but it is this year. Personally don't understand why he is singled out.
Maybe it's Mane's turn now.
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Pretty simple really. If you win games, most stuff is forgotten. Who really cares if you get 3 points? If you don't win games its natural to look at why. To win games you need to score. Sometimes salah or mane won't score so someone needs to step up. I really don't understand the issue.
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17-12-20, 12:38 AM
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Not to be taken seriously
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 33,522
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzo
Nobody is saying that though? He had one of his best games in ages, that is totally accurate.
He isnt going to get 20-30 goals per season, but the fact he is getting more involved in moves and is having some shots is a good sign, a sign that he is playing better if you will.
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He plays better when the team and the movement around him is better. That's what I always felt with Bobby. When we're struggling, more often than not his game will be off as it relies on players around him getting into pockets so that he can knit his game around.
As for his goalscoring record, I see this being mentioned in here too often. That's not his game and never has been. If he scores 20 goals a season it's going to be the exception rather the rule. He gets himself into great positions at times but he's not a no 9.
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17-12-20, 09:36 AM
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Benitez
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 869
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzo
I agree. He definitely had one of his best games in ages. Was picking some great pockets of space...
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Partly to do with the way Spurs played. They pressed the wider men so much there was a bit more space for Bobby.
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17-12-20, 09:55 AM
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Benitez
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 530
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Bobby has always been a fine header of the ball. It helps. Sadio just needs a break...
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17-12-20, 12:14 PM
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Dressed up as Batman?
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 131,084
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Great stat. He might not score loads of goals but Christ he scores nearly all the big ones.
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17-12-20, 01:04 PM
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Donald Buzzworth
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 43,582
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Originally Posted by Shaggy
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That is a good observation, he seems to love a heat of the battle winner.
PSG, Wolves away last season (quite a similar game to last night actually) and then last night all spring to mind.
Based on how jubilant I feel this morning, the team must be flying
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17-12-20, 01:14 PM
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#4095
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Dressed up as Batman?
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 131,084
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzo
That is a good observation, he seems to love a heat of the battle winner.
PSG, Wolves away last season (quite a similar game to last night actually) and then last night all spring to mind.
Based on how jubilant I feel this morning, the team must be flying 
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Southampton away, Palace away, WCC final, big goals
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18-12-20, 12:21 PM
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#4096
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Cuboid Humanoid
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 29,824
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Scum?
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18-12-20, 01:47 PM
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Paisley
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 15,826
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Nah Shaggy is an alright bloke
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18-12-20, 03:38 PM
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Dalglish
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 4,166
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His reaction after scoring that goal is one of the few things that has put a smile on my face this year. The essence of humanity expressed through pure joy.
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14-02-21, 03:39 PM
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Dan Ashcroft
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 51,623
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It's three years since Bobby was under investigation after Holgate made up a racial abuse accusation to avoid a red card for violent conduct. Time really flies.
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21-02-21, 01:36 AM
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Donald Buzzworth
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 43,582
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What a frustrating player.
Unplayable on his day, but that day is about 1 in 8 games at the moment.
Had at least four chances today. One deflected for a corner, two pea rollers and one shanked into the stands.
He must do better. He seems way too chilled out, feels like he needs to be a bit angrier and more demonstrative. He is just so casual. Needs a bit more of a killer instinct infront of goal. Right now he works hard and delivers nothing.
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21-02-21, 01:41 AM
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Not to be taken seriously
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 33,522
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzo
What a frustrating player.
Unplayable on his day, but that day is about 1 in 8 games at the moment.
Had at least four chances today. One deflected for a corner, two pea rollers and one shanked into the stands.
He must do better. He seems way too chilled out, feels like he needs to be a bit angrier and more demonstrative. He is just so casual. Needs a bit more of a killer instinct infront of goal. Right now he works hard and delivers nothing.
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On the contrary, I think he's forcing it way too much and overthinking it.
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21-02-21, 01:44 AM
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Dalglish
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,304
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzo
What a frustrating player.
Unplayable on his day, but that day is about 1 in 8 games at the moment.
Had at least four chances today. One deflected for a corner, two pea rollers and one shanked into the stands.
He must do better. He seems way too chilled out, feels like he needs to be a bit angrier and more demonstrative. He is just so casual. Needs a bit more of a killer instinct infront of goal. Right now he works hard and delivers nothing.
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Hard to judge a players level of self critique based on external body language. For all anyone knows he could be in pieces or furious internally whilst exuding a different demeanour.
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22-02-21, 01:45 PM
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Martin Skrtel can win a game of Connect Four in three moves
Join Date: May 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzo
What a frustrating player.
Unplayable on his day, but that day is about 1 in 8 games at the moment.
Had at least four chances today. One deflected for a corner, two pea rollers and one shanked into the stands.
He must do better. He seems way too chilled out, feels like he needs to be a bit angrier and more demonstrative. He is just so casual. Needs a bit more of a killer instinct infront of goal. Right now he works hard and delivers nothing.
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If we had a fully fit side I would be surprised if he wasn't on the bench. I'm getting a bit tired of saying Bobby is quality but...
He has been so poor over the last year or so apart from a few games here and there & I wonder just how much longer we will stick with him if this dismal form continues.
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22-02-21, 01:48 PM
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#4104
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Shankly
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 9,144
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danperkins
If we had a fully fit side I would be surprised if he wasn't on the bench. I'm getting a bit tired of saying Bobby is quality but...
He has been so poor over the last year or so apart from a few games here and there & I wonder just how much longer we will stick with him if this dismal form continues.
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His form started to lag over a year ago and the hard work with intermittent flashes of genius don’t cut it anymore. When Klopp came in he focussed on the attack and worked on defence afterwards. I think we need a CB to partner VVD and we equally need a centre forward to score goals
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22-02-21, 01:50 PM
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Donald Buzzworth
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 43,582
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I wouldn't be against us bringing Grealish in. He is class. I was a sceptic, but he looks amazing in every game I see him play. He is constantly producing, good with the ball in pretty much every area of the pitch. And Prem proven.
Obviously a bit of a 'character' but I dont see that as a massive problem.
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22-02-21, 01:53 PM
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Martin Skrtel can win a game of Connect Four in three moves
Join Date: May 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Irishnev
His form started to lag over a year ago and the hard work with intermittent flashes of genius don’t cut it anymore. When Klopp came in he focussed on the attack and worked on defence afterwards. I think we need a CB to partner VVD and we equally need a centre forward to score goals
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Absolutely, he is a fan favorite so I get why people jump to his defence but if you are a centre forward at LFC you have to score goals. It's as simple as that and his numbers have dropped off over the last while. I can't believe someone with that much quality has such a poor strike of a ball, either that or it's lack of composure.
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22-02-21, 01:54 PM
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Paisley
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 44,172
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzo
I wouldn't be against us bringing Grealish in. He is class. I was a sceptic, but he looks amazing in every game I see him play. He is constantly producing, good with the ball in pretty much every area of the pitch. And Prem proven.
Obviously a bit of a 'character' but I dont see that as a massive problem.
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I haven't seen much of him as I hardly watch other teams games just highlights. Is Grealish not just given effectively a free role at Villa and wonder if he could reproduce that form somewhere else where he has a more defined role.
Also what is his work rate like?
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22-02-21, 01:54 PM
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#4108
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Martin Skrtel can win a game of Connect Four in three moves
Join Date: May 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzo
I wouldn't be against us bringing Grealish in. He is class. I was a sceptic, but he looks amazing in every game I see him play. He is constantly producing, good with the ball in pretty much every area of the pitch. And Prem proven.
Obviously a bit of a 'character' but I dont see that as a massive problem.
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I've been a sceptic too but he's a fabulous player, not sure if he has the discipline to play under Klopp as he seems more of a free spirit. I just wonder will we fall so far this season that we won't be considered by the top tier lads? The best guys want to be playing in the champions league after all. I see United written all over Grealish
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22-02-21, 02:00 PM
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Paisley
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 15,826
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzo
I wouldn't be against us bringing Grealish in. He is class. I was a sceptic, but he looks amazing in every game I see him play. He is constantly producing, good with the ball in pretty much every area of the pitch. And Prem proven.
Obviously a bit of a 'character' but I dont see that as a massive problem.
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Grealish looks a player but I wonder where he would fit in our team tbh. He gets more or less a free role at Villa and not sure how well he works in a press. Then again he does look talented enough to perform at a higher level.
Martinez at Inter is who I would like to see come in (Haaland would be a dream buy but think Martinez is more gettable)
High work rate, quick, quite physical, good on the ball and good at beating a player. Good in the air in a Mane sort of way as in he looks too short to be as effective as he is in the air. Can play as a lone striker or can play really well in a deeper almost 9.5 role.
Presses in a manner not unlike how Suarez used to when without the ball and will come deep to battle for the ball and to harry midfielders.
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22-02-21, 02:33 PM
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Shankly
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 8,618
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I think if Jota hadn't got injured then it's likely that Frmino would be on the bench a lot now....
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22-02-21, 02:55 PM
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Dalglish
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,413
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Grealish would cost us in excess of 80mill, so won't be on our radar.
His workrate this season is massively improved, as others have said, he has free reign to go where he wants & the likes on Konta, McGinn do the shovel work for the team
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22-02-21, 03:06 PM
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Paisley
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 44,172
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Quote:
Originally Posted by S-RED
Grealish would cost us in excess of 80mill, so won't be on our radar.
His workrate this season is massively improved, as others have said, he has free reign to go where he wants & the likes on Konta, McGinn do the shovel work for the team
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 The cost is an absolute non-starter, as I have said elsewhere I wonder if Elliott is/could be developed to play this role in future (it's a few years away at least though...)
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22-02-21, 07:53 PM
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Fagan
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,333
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Booby has been brilliant for us but at the end of the day this has gone on too long. We simply can't carry a non scoring striker no matter what else he brings to the side. Everton openly saying that they stifled Salah and Mane and let the chances fall to Bobby knowing he'd probably miss. Hopefully with Jota back soon we can be more unpredictable again. But for next season we have to go balls deep for a Haaland or a Mbappe.
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22-02-21, 08:08 PM
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#4114
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Benitez
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 869
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Big-Red-Ed
We simply can't carry a non scoring striker no matter what else he brings to the side.
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Well, just think of him as an advanced midfielder then. His scoring record is better that the other creators.
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22-02-21, 08:10 PM
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Dalglish
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2,558
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My choice would be Haaland. Big & strong so can make use of the billion crosses we put in! Can provide for Mane & Salah and vice versa for him. Good on the ball so can score too!
Will be a high fee but 100% will be worth it if we go on to win more trophies!
Think that 1 signing will sort us out again. Virg will be back & hopefully to pre injury standards. Gomez back and again hopefully up to standards once he gets into his stride. Will need a good 3rd Choice instead of Matip. We’ll also need a solution for the 3rd midfield role, Hendo & Fab are 1st choice. Maybe it will be Thiago next season playing in a functioning side so gives Jones another year to establish himself as the more regular 3rd choice. So thats 4 for the 3 spots. If Shaq stays that’s 5 & if Gini leaves, we’ll need that replacement.
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22-02-21, 08:42 PM
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Dan Ashcroft
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 51,623
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He's also everyone else's choice and therefore he's not coming to Liverpool to play in the Europa League.
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22-02-21, 10:07 PM
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Paisley
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 11,512
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Big-Red-Ed
Booby has been brilliant for us but at the end of the day this has gone on too long. We simply can't carry a non scoring striker no matter what else he brings to the side. Everton openly saying that they stifled Salah and Mane and let the chances fall to Bobby knowing he'd probably miss. Hopefully with Jota back soon we can be more unpredictable again. But for next season we have to go balls deep for a Haaland or a Mbappe.
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Did the Everton players say that?
They've kind of spoiled it for other PL teams who were hoping to continue using this tactic while Klopp seemed to be the only person who couldn't see this. Now even Klopp will have been shocked that the truth was this blatant.
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23-02-21, 08:54 AM
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Martin Skrtel can win a game of Connect Four in three moves
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He's also everyone else's choice and therefore he's not coming to Liverpool to play in the Europa League.
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 this is the potential reality.
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