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He looked a bit dodgy early on , as did Sakho , but he got better & better & impressed me enough to say he's ready to play.
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Old 17-07-15, 02:27 PM   #83
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Old 17-07-15, 04:00 PM   #84
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Put a few bob on him getting into the Euro 2016 squad.
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Old 17-07-15, 04:05 PM   #85
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Put a few bob on him getting into the Euro 2016 squad.
No chance if we don't loan him out, which it doesn't look like we will.

What odds out of curiosity?
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Old 17-07-15, 04:21 PM   #86
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The kid looks so polished already its almost unreal. Was not happy about him being put at LB today but boy could Moreno learn a few things from him.
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Old 17-07-15, 06:17 PM   #87
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Old 17-07-15, 07:49 PM   #88
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Old 17-07-15, 07:54 PM   #89
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Can already see that he plays without fear. Love it. Just hope we don't coach it out of him!!
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Old 17-07-15, 09:15 PM   #90
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Old 17-07-15, 10:10 PM   #91
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Looked good but A League is about league 1 standard.

I'm more surprised we only scored 2, you can see better defending with 5 year olds playing then the A League.
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Old 18-07-15, 12:07 AM   #92
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Looked good but A League is about league 1 standard.

I'm more surprised we only scored 2, you can see better defending with 5 year olds playing then the A League.
I don't think so. More like lower PL standard.
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Old 18-07-15, 03:15 AM   #93
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Hahah yeah no. I watched plenty of A League last season it was woeful especially when it came to defending. Lovren would be considered a world class defender that is how woeful the defending is. A bit better in terms of attacking but a lot of bad passing from the midfield.

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Old 18-07-15, 04:10 AM   #94
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Old 18-07-15, 04:37 AM   #95
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Intelligent, strong and comfortable on the ball and by the looks of it can play across the back 4, we really must keep this lad at the club, he does not need more championship experience, he need to test himself at the next level. I believe this guy will be England's most expensive defender within 3 years
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Old 18-07-15, 04:39 AM   #96
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Intelligent, strong and comfortable on the ball and by the looks of it can play across the back 4, we really must keep this lad at the club, he does not need more championship experience, he need to test himself at the next level. I believe this guy will be England's most expensive defender within 3 years
You mean valuable right? If we sell him then we'll know if he's expensive!
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You mean valuable right? If we sell him then we'll know if he's expensive!
Yes sorry thats what i mean ... we need to develop him, look after him and give him and players like Ibe etc a team that they feel can win things, we are not here just to try and get into top 4, we need to silverware regularly.

I honestly thing this squad has massive potential if it clicks and we get the run of the green
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Yes sorry thats what i mean ... we need to develop him, look after him and give him and players like Ibe etc a team that they feel can win things, we are not here just to try and get into top 4, we need to silverware regularly.

I honestly thing this squad has massive potential if it clicks and we get the run of the green
Gomez is this season's Flanagan.
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Flanno was extremely unlucky ... he got injured .. its happens .. if he remained fit he would be still in the team, what injury did he sustain again

Gomez is quality, people who have watched him play have said he special and honestly after just a couple of performances I can see why people think, he was Charlons player of the year in the Championship which is probably one of the most physical lgs in the world. Immediately I could see he had that lethal combination of calmness, speed of thought and intelligence that only the truly top players have. He will be a massive player for us over the coming years.
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I think you misunderstood me. I'm referring to his fast track to the first team at a young age and subsequent success
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I don't think so. More like lower PL standard.
It really isn't, the best teams of the A-league are akin to lower-mid championship clubs and the worst top league 1 sides.

Perfect for pre season. The best players in past years have struggled to cut it in the championship and someone like Talay at Sydney fc for example, a key player in one of the better squads of last season was a championship player with Middlesbrough.

The A league has improved a lot since its creation though.
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Old 18-07-15, 08:34 AM   #102
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Old 18-07-15, 08:38 AM   #103
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We're going to be able to sell him for a fortune in a couple of years when he moves to a big club to achieve his goals
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We're going to be able to sell him for a fortune in a couple of years when he moves to a big club to achieve his goals
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Old 18-07-15, 10:51 AM   #106
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oh yes he was
I think you are carried away by the way he used to come out of the tunnel and run towards shaking his fists in the air.

Any player who leaves us at 23 to join Wrexham has not made a good fist of it.

And any way, wasn't he at first replaced by some nomark called Hansen?
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Old 18-07-15, 10:53 AM   #107
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Shouldn't base things on pre season, but on this evidence alone he has not looked out of place. He received plenty of the ball which showed the players on the pitch trusted him too.

Big ask to expect him to play regularly, but I wouldn't be too concerned if we had to play him in the Premiership at full back. In fact, if we were considering a back up LB to Moreno, we may just take a pause for thought.
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Shouldn't base things on pre season, but on this evidence alone he has not looked out of place. He received plenty of the ball which showed the players on the pitch trusted him too.

Big ask to expect him to play regularly, but I wouldn't be too concerned if we had to play him in the Premiership at full back. In fact, if we were considering a back up LB to Moreno, we may just take a pause for thought.


Alot of players look good in pre-season, the test comes in the competitive games. If he can play LB that is the place to try and bring him through for now to get experience in the side and in the league as back up to Moreno. Last season Moreno was rested or rotated a fair bit, if the same happens again there should be a decent few chances for him to play there, plus cup games etc.
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Alot of players look good in pre-season, the test comes in the competitive games. If he can play LB that is the place to try and bring him through for now to get experience in the side and in the league as back up to Moreno. Last season Moreno was rested or rotated a fair bit, if the same happens again there should be a decent few chances for him to play there, plus cup games etc.
Illori can play LB too. I'm very interested to see what plans we have for him this season. It was up in the air with regards Wisdom, Gomez & Illori. We now know Gomez is staying, now it's on to the other two.
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Illori can play LB too. I'm very interested to see what plans we have for him this season. It was up in the air with regards Wisdom, Gomez & Illori. We now know Gomez is staying, now it's on to the other two.
Is Ilori left sided? I had in my head he was right. I guess if so that makes Wisdom our only real option as a back up RB at the moment (with Flanagan out).

Given that Wisdom has been out on loan a couple of times I would imagine that this is the season he has to establish himself (i.e. get a decent number of first team games under his belt and start challenging for a first team place) or move on at the end of the season.

Ilori although the same age as Wisdom seems a little further behind in his development, he too has had a couple of loan spells but where Wisdom had ~60 games in the Championship or Premiership, Ilori has had about 20 in Spain and France. He could probably do with some PL experience before he is pressing for a place here, so he may need another loan spell before he is ready to challenge for a place here. TBH I wouldn't be suprised if he was moved on without ever playing for us.

If Gomez is staying I suspect him and Wisdom will be the two closest to the first team. But that is just my (uninformed) opinion.
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Illori can play LB too. I'm very interested to see what plans we have for him this season. It was up in the air with regards Wisdom, Gomez & Illori. We now know Gomez is staying, now it's on to the other two.
I have seen Illori for two games for the U21s and Gomez for two preseason games. If they are anything to go by there is an ocean of difference between the two.
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Is Ilori left sided? I had in my head he was right. I guess if so that makes Wisdom our only real option as a back up RB at the moment (with Flanagan out).
ilori seemed to be RB at club and LB for country. maybe they were fitting him in to accomodate someone else at RB for under 21s.
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Thought he struggled early doors, but Lovren covered well for him and he settled as the game went on.
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How did we pick him up without a fight for just £3.5m?!
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How did we pick him up without a fight for just £3.5m?!
We didn't, a host of other clubs wanted him. He picked us because we told him the right things.
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Thought he struggled early doors, but Lovren covered well for him and he settled as the game went on.


Encouraging, especially given who he was up against.
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As I posted in the Stoke post-match thread, I was impressed by the way he learned as the game went on today. He made a couple of naive mistakes but corrected them, and it was a very impressive debut given the context of his age and lack of experience.
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