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Old 08-01-14, 12:05 PM   #4801
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Yep, you could see the sympathy in the ref's eyes for Moyes before letting Rafael off with a warning. That was a definite sending off otherwise. Through the laughter I was hoping the ref wouldn't brandish a yellow. Remember, #MoyesIn
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Old 08-01-14, 12:24 PM   #4802
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hope to see moyes charged by the fa after making his comments about now having to play against the refs.
maybe the fa will duck it as it might open a bigger can of worms and expose the colluding of the fa, refs and manure over the last 20 or so years.
when this eventually comes out it will surely mean high ranking people going to jail, if it can be proven
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Old 08-01-14, 12:55 PM   #4803
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hope to see moyes charged by the fa after making his comments about now having to play against the refs.
maybe the fa will duck it as it might open a bigger can of worms and expose the colluding of the fa, refs and manure over the last 20 or so years.
when this eventually comes out it will surely mean high ranking people going to jail, if it can be proven
That post escalated quickly!
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Old 08-01-14, 12:56 PM   #4804
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That post escalated quickly!
same thought crossed my mind.
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Old 08-01-14, 01:12 PM   #4805
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That post escalated quickly!
went into rant mode there
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Old 08-01-14, 01:27 PM   #4806
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went into rant mode there
I'm surprised the death penalty wasn't raised too!
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Old 08-01-14, 01:28 PM   #4807
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I'm surprised the death penalty wasn't raised too!
if i was the judge
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Old 08-01-14, 01:41 PM   #4808
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hope to see moyes charged by the fa after making his comments about now having to play against the refs.
maybe the fa will duck it as it might open a bigger can of worms and expose the colluding of the fa, refs and manure over the last 20 or so years.
when this eventually comes out it will surely mean high ranking people going to jail, if it can be proven
Just seen that the FA will be investigating his comments
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Hatemail are running a poll. Get voting

Should Man United stand by manager Moyes?

• Yes64%.
• No36%


The hatemail are currently trying to lay blame on the 27 players moysey has used to date for the poor performances
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Old 08-01-14, 01:52 PM   #4810
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Hatemail are running a poll. Get voting

Should Man United stand by manager Moyes?

• Yes64%.
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The hatemail are currently trying to lay blame on the 27 players moysey has used to date for the poor performances
we should all vote to stand by moyes. show some solidarity here

just voted.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...blame-too.html
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Old 08-01-14, 03:45 PM   #4811
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Me too. #MoyesIn for the win!
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Old 08-01-14, 05:07 PM   #4813
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we should all vote to stand by moyes. show some solidarity here

just voted.
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Taken from the Mail article above

Nani
A frustrating campaign again for Nani, who must rank among one of the most infuriating United players of recent times.
Often so inconsistent with his crossing and unlikely to contribute a goal, Nani rarely completes a full match these days and is usually hooked off after an hour or so.
Now 27, his future probably lies away from Old Trafford and given his increasing susceptibility to injury, the club would be wise to get rid of him either this month or in the summer.
Rating: 2/10'


If only they hadn't given him a 5 year contract in the summer
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i have just checked the vote and its at 64% moyes in, 36% out.

so i voted again while i was there
shame it didnt count as they log you. maybe clear cookies and go again.
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Old 08-01-14, 06:29 PM   #4816
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Old 08-01-14, 08:32 PM   #4817
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Old 08-01-14, 10:50 PM   #4818
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Old 08-01-14, 11:06 PM   #4819
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I voted yes. It now stands at 63%!
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Old 08-01-14, 11:11 PM   #4820
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Just after giving Gollum my vote... They've got to keep him for at least 5 of the 6 year deal !

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Old 08-01-14, 11:49 PM   #4821
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Just after giving Gollum my vote... They've got to keep him for at least 5 of the 6 year deal !

#moyesin
No no no no no no no.

Hodgson will be available in the summer. A proven winner. Bigger picture!

Moyes screws up their confidence, Hodgson in to finish 'em off with his transfer dealings. Jobs a good un, see you in 22 years.
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Old 08-01-14, 11:56 PM   #4822
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Just seen on twitter load of people going nuts at Chris smalling for dressing as a suicide bomber
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Just seen on twitter load of people going nuts at Chris smalling for dressing as a suicide bomber
Well, I guess that's 1 way to get rid of Moyes, seems a little drastic however.
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Old 09-01-14, 12:01 AM   #4824
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Old 09-01-14, 12:03 AM   #4825
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Manchester United players raise concerns over David Moyes credentials
• Fears in dressing room over Champions League qualification
• Three straight losses leave questions over manager's changes

David Moyes faces a fight to convince several senior Manchester United players of his credentials following the dismal form that has resulted in three consecutive defeats for the first time in 13 years.

The Guardian can reveal that some within the dressing room are unsure of Moyes's ability to reverse a sequence that includes a league defeat by Tottenham Hotspur, being knocked out of the FA Cup by Swansea City, and Tuesday's 2-1 loss at Sunderland in the League Cup semi-final, first leg.

The Football Association, in addition, is looking into Moyes's remark after the tie at Sunderland that we are "playing referees as well as the opposition". The manager could face a charge if it is viewed he was commenting on match officials' fairness.

When Moyes was appointed as Sir Alex Ferguson's successor at the close of last season he brought in his own coaches – Steve Round, Phil Neville, Chris Woods, and Jimmy Lumsden, and also appointed Ryan Giggs – while discarding the existing backroom staff of René Meulensteen, Mike Phelan and Eric Steele.

This move is being privately questioned by some within the squad who were happy working with a group that had helped Ferguson oversee part of the most successful period in United's history. According to well-placed sources, there is a bemusement among a number of players, with a strong sense forming that as United won the title by 11 points last term there was little need for Moyes to undergo a complete revamp of a set-up that had a proven winning structure.

Moyes has never won a major trophy as a manager and, for some, his record is now under scrutiny, given the team are 11 points behind the leaders, Arsenal, and have scant chance of retaining the title. There is further concern that United may fail to qualify for the Champions League for the first time since 1995-96, with the side in seventh position, five points behind fourth-placed Liverpool.

While there is no sense of a player mutiny at present, this week's revelation that the club captain, Nemanja Vidic, is exploring leaving this summer, despite United wishing to open discussions over a new deal, is the latest crack in unity.

Before the defeat at Sunderland, in which Vidic scored United's equaliser, his agent, Silvano Martina, told an Italian radio station: "At the moment, I would rule out an extension [to his contract] with Manchester United."

Vidic's disquiet follows Danny Welbeck's denial of the claim last month by Moyes that the manager had to instruct the striker to be "the last off the training field" in order to improve. Within days the player offered a counter-view. "I have been doing that [extra training] ever since I have been at United," he said.

Earlier in December Rio Ferdinand publicly questioned Moyes's policy of naming the team close to a match, rather than the day before, as Ferguson did, stating it could turn the defender "into a madman".

Moyes's pursuit of Leighton Baines to replace Patrice Evra has not gone down well either, given the left-back's popularity in the dressing room. As with Vidic, the Frenchman may consider his options as he is out of contract in the summer.

All of this means that following the loss of the three matches in seven days, some senior players who were serial winners have been left uncertain about the direction of the club under Moyes.

After the defeat at Sunderland Welbeck became the first to voice concern regarding prospects of qualifying for next season's Champions League. Asked if he could understand why supporters are worried United may finish outside of the top four, he said: "I can understand why fans are concerned. We are not around the Champions League spots at the moment. We need to get our form back and just win the next matches."

The striker is unsure why after clinching the title last season United are so far adrift of Arsenal. "I cannot pinpoint one thing why this is happening. We were champions last season and we know that the consistency in our game has not been good enough," said Welbeck. "It is a new experience for us all but the main thing we have to do is look at the next game."

He did state a determination to start winning games. "It is over 10 years since United lost three games in a row, so we know we have to turn it round and win the next match. The manager is very upbeat. He lets the players know he wants to do really well and the players also want to win games for United," he said. "Losing three on the bounce is really not good enough and we want to put that right."
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Chris Smalling apology statement over fancy dress picture ... Statement from management firm Wasserman Media Group to @AP: "Chris and his girlfriend hosted a fancy dress party to celebrate Christmas and their belated birthdays with close friends in the assumed privacy of his own home. He dressed in a costume consisting of empty bottles of Jagermeister and cans of Red Bull strapped to his chest in an attempted comedy play on the popular ‘Jagerbomb drink’. Although he fully accepts in hindsight it was an ill-thought out and insensitive decision, absolutely no harm was intended whatsoever and he apologises for any offence caused”.
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Old 09-01-14, 02:10 AM   #4827
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Dismal form. I love the word 'dismal', especially when it's associated with Manchester United. hahaha gold.
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Old 09-01-14, 09:20 AM   #4828
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Alan Brazil was hilarious on TalkSport yesterday you could almost see him getting redder and redder as his blind, drunken faith in Moyes was pouring out of him. He was talking some utter bollocks!

"How can you say his time at Everton, where he was up there competing with the likes of Man Utd (WTF?!) wasn't anything but a complete success?"

"It took Sir Alex 4 years to build his team before he started winning anything, you've got to give Moyesey time because this isn't his team yet"

It'd be comedy genius if he didn't actually believe a word he was saying.
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In numbers: Manchester United records broken under David Moyes

It was always going to be tough for David Moyes to follow in the footsteps of his fellow Scot Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United.

However, not many people would have predicted that the road for Moyes would have been as rocky as it has been.

To make matters worse, his short stint at the Old Trafford helm has seen a host of the club's record being eradicated. Below, Sports Mole looks back over them with a series of numbers.

82: Defeats to Tottenham Hotspur, Swansea City and Sunderland have meant that United have lost their first three matches of a calender year in 82 years, dating back to 1932. Back then, Walter Crickmer's side were beaten by Bradford Park Avenue, Plymouth Argyle and Swansea City.

1974: United have now lost three encounters in the month of January. That hadn't occurred in 40 years.

22: Those matches have also resulted in United losing three matches in one week for the first time in 22 seasons.

2001: Sticking with the three successive defeats theme, that previously happened 13 years ago as Derby County, Southampton and Tottenham Hotspur came out on top against the Red Devils

10: As for Swansea, they had never won at Old Trafford prior to their 2-1 success in the FA Cup - a sequence that dated back 10 matches.

20: Sunderland have also broken a hoodoo this year, having beaten United for the first time in 20 attempts. That triumph, back in 2000, was also in the League Cup.

1992: The year that Everton - Moyes's former club - last won at Old Trafford prior to this campaign. A goal from full-back Bryan Oviedo was enough for Roberto Martinez to do what Moyes had failed to do in his 11 years in charge of the Toffees - win away at United.

41: Yohan Cabaye's strike midway through the second half secured a 1-0 win for Newcastle United at Old Trafford, meaning that the Magpies headed back to Tyneside with all three points. It was the maiden time that they had done so in some 41 years.

1978: Laurie Cunningham and Cyrille Regis were among the goals when West Bromwich Albion last won at Old Trafford back in 1978. This time around, Morgan Amalfitano and Saido Berahino were the heroes as the Baggies ended a 35-year wait for a win. West Brom had also failed to beat United in 13 prior attempts.

8: Southampton ended an eight-match losing run against United courtesy of Adam Lallana's late equaliser in October.

26: From their 20 Premier League matches so far, United have dropped 26 points. Last season, they shipped 25 throughout the whole campaign.

25: The percentage number of matches that United have lost so far this season in all competitions - eight from 32. During the previous campaign, Ferguson's men lost 10 of 54.

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I hope they win a few now, we don't want any all start signings, or rash sackings, so a few wins would calm it all down.
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I hope they win a few now, we don't want any all start signings, or rash sackings, so a few wins would calm it all down.
Exactly, slow and steady will do nicely.

They need a false sense of security backed up by fictional stats that the majority of fans are behind Moyes.

We can play a part .

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Manager of the year...David Moyes.
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Old 09-01-14, 10:35 AM   #4835
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He can't last much longer surely? Now the press has started taking the piss out of him he's on borrowed time.

I hope he does, but I can't see it. All that could save him would be a run of wins, and well, that could restore a little confidence in the team, so we don't want that.

Though I suppose that would be better than Fergie coming out of retirement.
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When Dalglish quit Liverpool the speed of their collapse was devastating... With Fergie gone, Man United could flop like the Kop

April 28, 1990. Anfield is bouncing and the Kop is in full voice after Liverpool have been confirmed as champions of England for the 18th time.

A new decade starts with the arrival of more silverware, maintaining the glorious theme of the 1970s and 1980s, and Kenny Dalglish’s position as the most inspirational manager in British football has been cemented — that was his third title in five years, to sit alongside two FA Cups.

Liverpool finished that campaign seven points ahead of their nearest pursuers, Aston Villa, and had a yawning advantage of 31 points over 13th-placed Manchester United. To put Liverpool’s domination into context, it was the 34th major honour they had won since 1973.

Nobody predicted the empire would crumble, despite Dalglish’s shock departure on health grounds in February 1991. Not even two years later when his successor Graeme Souness’s first full campaign in charge had ended with an FA Cup triumph, a few weeks after Liverpool and their fans had gleefully celebrated wrecking United’s challenge for a first title in 25 years.

That was the last time, before these last dispiriting seven days, that United had suffered three defeats in a week and the scenes that followed that 2-0 win in April 1992, in which Ian Rush scored his first goal against Liverpool’s most bitter rivals, suggested normal service would soon be resumed.

But crumble it did. The ‘bastion of invincibility’, as Bill Shankly called Liverpool, lost their aura. The decision of one iconic figure to end his tenure presaged an extra-ordinary reversal in fortune and there is no doubt United fans will be fretting whether Ferguson’s departure will have parallels with Dalglish.

Do not underestimate how important one figure can be. When Dalglish walked away, Liverpool were three points clear at the top of the First Division and favourites for the title. They ended the campaign trailing the new champions Arsenal by seven.
It was not a blip. Over the next three seasons, the gap between Liverpool and first place kept widening. They were 18 points behind Leeds in 1992; 12 months later they had fallen 25 points behind United before 1994 saw Liverpool trail in a massive 32 points adrift of Ferguson’s men.

Liverpool have won 13 honours since 1990, including the Champ-ions League, but the one they covet more than anything — that 19th English title — continues to elude them.
Ferguson reflected in his recently published memoirs: ‘Towards the end of Kenny’s first spell in charge, you could sense a shift. The team had grown old and Liverpool were starting to make unusual purchases: Jimmy Carter, David Speedie. These were untypical Liverpool signings.’

Some of that is true. Dalglish would bristle at the criticism of those buys but the perception that he left a team full of veterans when he left is wrong. The average age of his final team selection against Everton was 27.3 and many top players, such as John Barnes, Jan Molby and Ian Rush, still had much to offer.

‘Graeme Souness made the right move but too quickly, breaking up an ageing team too fast,’ Ferguson argued. ‘Graeme is a good guy but he’s impetuous. He can’t get there quickly enough. And his impetuosity cost him.’

Football has, of course, changed dramatically since the days Liverpool set the agenda but what happened at Anfield and what could yet unfold at Old Trafford under David Moyes is the same.

The departure of such a towering figure; one who has commanded so much respect and been a source of inspiration, cannot fail to have an impact. Ferguson might be providing Moyes with support at this moment but are his players doing everything for him?
Consider this observation from Barnes, made the day after Ferguson announced he was retiring last May. It was one he was well placed to offer, given he experienced the highs of winning the title and the nadir that came with transition.

‘If the Manchester United players don’t do as well as they have done this year and in previous years, it will be no reflection on the new manager,’ Barnes said. ‘It will be a reflection on them. If you are going to do what you have done under Sir Alex Ferguson, why should that change?

‘But we know human nature. In modern football, managers bear the brunt of anything negative. When new managers come in, they are not bad managers. I went through this when Graeme came in. We recognised that he might not be popular with the fans.
‘I would never accuse another player of not trying but subconsciously you know as a player if you don’t win that day, the fans are going to boo the manager rather than you coming off the field. As long as that is the case, you don’t have to perform.

‘You then have to question the players, if they have respect for the manager and for the club, and ask whether they have done what they have done because of the manager or because of themselves?’

Those words have been prophetic. Whether United are set to follow Liverpool’s example or arrest this slide depends as much on his squad as it does on Moyes.
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Chatting with my United supporting mate yesterday, he says luck is paying a big part. He argued () that they got the rub of the green last season and they're not getting it this season, which is the main reason for the transformation.

He still thinks Moyes will get until the end of next season at least - he does think they need a total squad rebuild though.
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Chatting with my United supporting mate yesterday, he says luck is paying a big part. He argued () that they got the rub of the green last season and they're not getting it this season, which is the main reason for the transformation.

He still thinks Moyes will get until the end of next season at least - he does think they need a total squad rebuild though.
They have had the rub of the green for the last 25 years
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They have had the rub of the green for the last 25 years
As well as all these colours -

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