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Old 17-03-19, 05:40 PM   #241
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Old 17-03-19, 05:52 PM   #242
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Babel out of contract in the summer, I'd take him as squadie for a year, probably doing what Origi is this year. Hopefully we buy someone not as far away from the quality of the current front 3 as well.
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Old 17-03-19, 05:54 PM   #243
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Origi isn't the most talented but he's direct.. Thought he did ok when he came on. Babel was very good today imp although don't think I would have him back. But yeah we seriously need players to challenge front lads.
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Old 17-03-19, 06:02 PM   #244
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Babel is nearly 40 surely? He can run for an old lad though.
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Old 17-03-19, 06:06 PM   #245
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Babel out of contract in the summer, I'd take him as squadie for a year, probably doing what Origi is this year. Hopefully we buy someone not as far away from the quality of the current front 3 as well.
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Old 17-03-19, 06:13 PM   #246
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Pedro though is someone that I could get on board with. Great little player and a winner.
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Old 17-03-19, 06:14 PM   #247
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Babel We are one of the top 3 teams on the planet, I don't think he's gonna cut it nowadays.

He looked genuinely gutted when he scored though so fair play to him for that.
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Old 17-03-19, 06:18 PM   #248
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With Sturridge/Origi off, i'd have him as our sixth choice for the front 3 whos happy to be a bit part player.

No chance we are spending big on more than one back up.
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Old 17-03-19, 06:29 PM   #249
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If we're allegedly looking to loan out Wilson, then I'd see our back-up 3 now potentially being a new signing, Shaqiri, and maybe someone like Brewster used sparingly.
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Old 17-03-19, 07:25 PM   #250
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With Sturridge/Origi off, i'd have him as our sixth choice for the front 3 whos happy to be a bit part player.

No chance we are spending big on more than one back up.
Sturridge is definately off, I'm not so sure about Origi
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Old 17-03-19, 07:39 PM   #251
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Sturridge is definately off, I'm not so sure about Origi
We tried to offload last summer and he wasnt interested in going to Wolves. Only got 12 months on his contract so I imagine we'll try cash in again.
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Old 17-03-19, 07:55 PM   #252
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If Wolves are still interested then swap origi and cash for Jimenez, he's a complete forward who could cover Firmino.
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Old 17-03-19, 08:03 PM   #253
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We tried to offload last summer and he wasnt interested in going to Wolves. Only got 12 months on his contract so I imagine we'll try cash in again.
He's out of contract, as are Milner and Moreno.
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Old 17-03-19, 08:31 PM   #254
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He's out of contract, as are Milner and Moreno.
I think we will hang on to Origi unless he desperately wants to leave as I don't see us getting 2 players to replace him and Sturridge in the same window.

Milner has another year
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Old 17-03-19, 08:53 PM   #255
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With Sturridge/Origi off, i'd have him as our sixth choice for the front 3 whos happy to be a bit part player.

No chance we are spending big on more than one back up.
Babel has only just turned 32 and heís playing regularly for his national team again for the past couple years. Canít see any reason why heíd be happy for maybe 500 mins of football next season.

Iíd be pretty certain our scouting department could identify better options for a similar outlay anyway.
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Old 17-03-19, 09:01 PM   #256
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Babel has only just turned 32 and heís playing regularly for his national team again for the past couple years. Canít see any reason why heíd be happy for maybe 500 mins of football next season.

Iíd be pretty certain our scouting department could identify better options for a similar outlay anyway.
Clearly still cares for the club, came too young and never proved himself so a chance of redemption. Who wouldn't want to be a part of this?

Plus he can hang out with Virg, Gini and that young RB/CB who has fell off the face of the Earth
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Old 17-03-19, 09:24 PM   #257
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Babel was gutted when he scored. He couldn't hide it either lol. Loved how he said he still supports Liverpool in his post match interview.
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Old 17-03-19, 09:35 PM   #258
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He was right about Van Dijk anyway.

Good job big Joel was majestic again.
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Old 17-03-19, 09:41 PM   #259
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He was right about Van Dijk anyway.

Good job big Joel was majestic again.
still cant head a ball actually at the goal from a corner though
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Old 17-03-19, 09:43 PM   #260
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still cant head a ball actually at the goal from a corner though
Tell me fucking about it. I've been lumping on the big lanky fucker first goal (e/w) for weeks now.
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Old 17-03-19, 10:33 PM   #261
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Annoyed with some of the boys today.

They looked a bit complacent, playing low % stuff, bit flash. Creating bugger all for long periods.

More measured when they equalised and we found a goal.
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Old 18-03-19, 10:02 AM   #262
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Old 18-03-19, 07:59 PM   #263
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Lallana was totally off the pace yesterday. He was either knackered after playing more than hes used to or was being complacent after posting a good performance the week before.

Fabinho and Fermino worked their socks off
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Lallana was totally off the pace yesterday. He was either knackered after playing more than hes used to or was being complacent after posting a good performance the week before.

Fabinho and Fermino worked their socks off
Harsh. Having a quick look at stats on Official, Lallana won as many tackles as the rest of midfield and attack put together, including Milner. Only Van Dijk had a better dual won percentage and aerial dual won percentage. This despite being taken off quite early.

Wasn't a classic performance by any means, but he still put a shift in.
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Old 18-03-19, 09:18 PM   #265
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Fulham also hit us on counter from one of our corners midway through the second half. Lallana, who was in the corner as a short option, ran full length of pitch, got in the box and blocked the attackers shot with his head.
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Old 18-03-19, 09:21 PM   #266
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Lallana worked hard but was poor imo... he wasn't alone and wasn't the worst either by a long shot. He just needs a sustained period without injury much like Matip. Whether that happens or not is a different story. We ground that result out yesterday, bit of a mid week hang over and can take nothing for granted against sides in the relegation zone.
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Old 19-03-19, 03:27 AM   #267
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I actually don't think Lallana was poor. He was steady and contributed to the win.
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Don’t think we ground out the result, we were just incredibly wasteful esp from the fullbacks.

Been doing it for a while - Burnley we deserved four and scored them. But the goals all came from their errors. If we had have converted the good play we had into proper chances, the chances our play merited, we would have scored four more.

Something doesn’t look quite right at the sharp end.
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Don’t think we ground out the result, we were just incredibly wasteful esp from the fullbacks.

Been doing it for a while - Burnley we deserved four and scored them. But the goals all came from their errors. If we had have converted the good play we had into proper chances, the chances our play merited, we would have scored four more.

Something doesn’t look quite right at the sharp end.
I agree they were wasteful but they were also let have the ball, it was a clear tactic of Fulham to give our fullbacks space but pack the box. I thought it was an odd tactic when the game started, commentators kept commentating on the amount of space our fullbacks were being given. How many crosses did Trent have... it was ridiculous. But yeah the delivery was shit most of the time. Trent has such a lovely hit of a ball too but like Mane, I think the more time he has to think, the worse his end product is. Fulham were comfortable and we were comfortable but in the end we had to work for that one. Bobby and Mo have racked up decent numbers but both have been a way off their best this season imo.
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Donít think we ground out the result, we were just incredibly wasteful esp from the fullbacks.

Been doing it for a while - Burnley we deserved four and scored them. But the goals all came from their errors. If we had have converted the good play we had into proper chances, the chances our play merited, we would have scored four more.

Something doesnít look quite right at the sharp end.
I have to say I find the tactics of firing (high) crosses into the box from the fullbacks an odd one. I know that they have decent delivery Trent in particular, but none of our front three are really suited for playing that way, they will score a few headers but 90% of the time you would expect them to be beaten in the air by the CB. It just seems a really low percentage play. It works from set pieces if you are bringing CBs up but not so much from open play.
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I have to say I find the tactics of firing (high) crosses into the box from the fullbacks an odd one. I know that they have decent delivery Trent in particular, but none of our front three are really suited for playing that way, they will score a few headers but 90% of the time you would expect them to be beaten in the air by the CB. It just seems a really low percentage play. It works from set pieces if you are bringing CBs up but not so much from open play.
I dont think it is a tactic. Both fullbacks can do better with crosses. They seem to be rushing their crosses. They need a little more composure on the ball in my opinion
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I have to say I find the tactics of firing (high) crosses into the box from the fullbacks an odd one. I know that they have decent delivery Trent in particular, but none of our front three are really suited for playing that way, they will score a few headers but 90% of the time you would expect them to be beaten in the air by the CB. It just seems a really low percentage play. It works from set pieces if you are bringing CBs up but not so much from open play.
Spot on about our puny strikers being out jumped and out muscled by any CB's.
If they are already sitting deep and compact then a ball into the mixer is often a waste.
Its only going to work well for us if we are breaking out and they dont have the bus fully parked.
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I dont think it is a tactic. Both fullbacks can do better with crosses. They seem to be rushing their crosses. They need a little more composure on the ball in my opinion
Agree - Trent hit four first time shit house crosses... total waste.

No need - he’s got the beckham bend it round a defender in the way skill - more conpuare to come please!
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The tactic with full backs isn’t to punt high balls into the box though (even though sometimes that works).

They make decoy runs out wide off Mo and Sadio. Every time. Sometimes they are played in, other times they aren’t. If they are played in it is typically behind the full back where they are looking to play the ball across the area or pull back.

I’d say it is our most effective attacking area, given the disruption it causes and the success in terms of assists it creates.

There is a lot of chat about last season, but we have to consider last season we had the unknown xfactor of Mo. Teams have had a year of getting used to playing against us so we have had to find other ways. Last seasons success came at a price - goals conceded. This season we are tight defensively and the second most productive team in attack.

Pinging balls into the area for the big number 9 to stick into the net is bygone era football and PlayStation.

We are statistically the best team from set pieces and I would imagine up there in terms of crossing assists.
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The tactic with full backs isnít to punt high balls into the box though (even though sometimes that works).

They make decoy runs out wide off Mo and Sadio. Every time. Sometimes they are played in, other times they arenít. If they are played in it is typically behind the full back where they are looking to play the ball across the area or pull back.

Iíd say it is our most effective attacking area, given the disruption it causes and the success in terms of assists it creates.

There is a lot of chat about last season, but we have to consider last season we had the unknown xfactor of Mo. Teams have had a year of getting used to playing against us so we have had to find other ways. Last seasons success came at a price - goals conceded. This season we are tight defensively and the second most productive team in attack.

Pinging balls into the area for the big number 9 to stick into the net is bygone era football and PlayStation.

We are statistically the best team from set pieces and I would imagine up there in terms of crossing assists.
Yes. However, we could be much much better. Too many lofted crosses in open play and not enough lofted corners in the last few league games
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Yes. However, we could be much much better. Too many lofted crosses in open play and not enough lofted corners in the last few league games
I think we have scored 5 headed goals from crosses in the last few games? Thats excluding other crosses that have led to goals (Firmino to Sadio v Fulham, and there will be others).

VVD 2 v Watford.
Sadio 1 v Watford.
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I think we have scored 5 headed goals in the last few games?

VVD 2 v Watford.
Sadio 1 v Watford.
VVD 1 v Bayern (corner)
Sadio 1 v Bayern.
I knew you would come back with this.....This goes to prove the worth of a good cross, we would had a lot more if crossing. Too many low near post nothing corners, especially from TAA. I am not knocking him, its just an observation. We have the heading power at corners, just target them
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The tactic with full backs isnít to punt high balls into the box though (even though sometimes that works).

They make decoy runs out wide off Mo and Sadio. Every time. Sometimes they are played in, other times they arenít. If they are played in it is typically behind the full back where they are looking to play the ball across the area or pull back.

Iíd say it is our most effective attacking area, given the disruption it causes and the success in terms of assists it creates.

There is a lot of chat about last season, but we have to consider last season we had the unknown xfactor of Mo. Teams have had a year of getting used to playing against us so we have had to find other ways. Last seasons success came at a price - goals conceded. This season we are tight defensively and the second most productive team in attack.

Pinging balls into the area for the big number 9 to stick into the net is bygone era football and PlayStation.

We are statistically the best team from set pieces and I would imagine up there in terms of crossing assists.
Fair but in TAA's case they were all hopeful low % first time crosses, not on to runners. Time and a place. In those scenarios to me they showed a lack of composure rather than following a deliberate plan.

And the lack of composure is where our problems up top stem from IMO.
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