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Old 23-07-20, 06:20 PM   #8801
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Old 23-07-20, 06:36 PM   #8802
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Jesus Christ, summarises everything that is wrong with the world. I really like Roy Jones and it's a shame that he didn't have consistently live opponents during his reign to give himself a proper legacy, but what the fuck, really. If he's still alive, he'll be having exhibitions in 20 years time FFS.
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Old 23-07-20, 07:57 PM   #8803
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Jesus Christ, summarises everything that is wrong with the world. I really like Roy Jones and it's a shame that he didn't have consistently live opponents during his reign to give himself a proper legacy, but what the fuck, really. If he's still alive, he'll be having exhibitions in 20 years time FFS.


IF he'd retired after he beat Ruiz for the Heavyweight title he'd be in the discussion for greatest fighter ever. His legacy is golden.

Sadly he's fought on for 15+ years too long.
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Old 23-07-20, 08:51 PM   #8804
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Without turning this into the Tyson debate all over again, how many really top fighters in their primes did he beat? Hopkins and Toney were great wins, but his light heavy reign in his prime which he is best known for is largely against good, not great fighters. Sparked by just that; good, not great opponents Tarver and Johnson consecutively. Obviously there are good names on his record unlike some other fighters but didn't get to really define his career.

When historians like Sugar speak about them, he often is recalled unfavourably in comparison to other top fighters in the division like Archie Moore and Bob Foster for example. Regardless I'm a huge fan and the best at his weight in his prime.
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Old 23-07-20, 09:42 PM   #8805
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Tarver and Johnson were post Ruiz. My point was that if he had called it quits when he beat Ruiz he'd be in the conversation as the greatest boxer ever.

I still think that regardless of what happened to Jones post Ruiz his legacy is golden. From Middleweight to Heavyweight champion is a once a century occurrence. Even in the modern age of alphabetti spaghetti titles the achievement isn't diminished.

I think we're in agreement that the Toney, Hopkins and Ruiz fights are his career defining fights.

Aside from those there's quite a few decent names on his record as well. Mike McCallum, Vinny Paz and Griffen weren't too shoddy.

Are we to suggest that Joe Calzaghe's legacy is in doubt is diminished because he fought tomato can's for a good portion of his career and only moved up in weight in his last few fights?
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