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Old 27-10-19, 06:53 PM   #281
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Sky saying Man Utd given 2 pens by VAR that weren't given by the official on the pitch, I've not seen either, but it's interesting...
The 2nd was a joke. If that's a pen, then the SŠnchez one in the first half is definitely a pen. And there would be several penalties per game.

Actually thinking about it, the first one is ridiculous too. If anything James fouled the defender.
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Old 27-10-19, 08:07 PM   #282
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did vars remit change from last week?
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Old 27-10-19, 08:54 PM   #283
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did vars remit change from last week?
It certainly seems like that, have there been 3 no pen decisions overturned in all the games played in the first 9 weeks of the season? because there have been 3 this weekend.
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Old 27-10-19, 09:19 PM   #284
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It certainly seems like that, have there been 3 no pen decisions overturned in all the games played in the first 9 weeks of the season? because there have been 3 this weekend.
Yeah it's like they flicked a switch and it's now the total opposite of what it was. Fucking weird. Absolute shambles. No surprise though that however VAR is used Man Utd continue to benefit.
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Old 27-10-19, 09:20 PM   #285
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Old 27-10-19, 09:32 PM   #286
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Old 27-10-19, 09:49 PM   #287
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I hadnt actually seen it before tbf.

That’s a fucking joke rule and decision. There’s no merit in the goal at all. No endeavour. No foul play.

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Old 27-10-19, 10:05 PM   #288
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I hadnt seen it before tbf.

Thatís a fucking joke rule and decision. Thereís no merit in the goal at all. No endeavour. No foul play.
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Old 28-10-19, 07:06 AM   #289
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The sporting thing to do would be to just smash the pen straight out of play.

What an absurd call and that strikers a bit of a cunt for even taking the pen, let alone celebrating it.
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Old 28-10-19, 07:08 AM   #290
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Those Manc decisions are pure corruption. Nobody could logically justify them. The one against James the diving little prick wasn't even a foul to him, he fouled the Norwich player if anything! After the amount of stone wall pens they have refused to overrule so far this season to then give that one!?!?
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Old 02-11-19, 07:06 PM   #292
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Every team is going to get fucked over by this at least 5 times this season. It's the shittest idea ever and those wanting it need to wallow in its fucking glory.
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Old 02-11-19, 07:44 PM   #293
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Every team is going to get fucked over by this at least 5 times this season. It's the shittest idea ever and those wanting it need to wallow in its fucking glory.
I wanted it as I thought it would prevent errors by officials. I still think it could do that but we need to see and hear the VAR official. Same as rugby - they need to talk it through together to get the right decision.

This clear and obvious application of the technology is a fucking joke. I thought it would bring transparency but they seem not to want to embarrass their refereeing buddies
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Old 02-11-19, 08:00 PM   #294
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I wanted it as I thought it would prevent errors by officials. I still think it could do that but we need to see and hear the VAR official. Same as rugby - they need to talk it through together to get the right decision.

This clear and obvious application of the technology is a fucking joke. I thought it would bring transparency but they seem not to want to embarrass their refereeing buddies


Just need to outsource it to aomwhere impartial and erm, better.

The so-called bar is too high as the media like to say. In time I think it'll right itself. They do seem to have sorted out offsides bar the odd issue. But the subjective stuff is nowhere near right. E.g. The man u foul wasn't overruled even though the ref didn't see it.
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Every team is going to get fucked over by this at least 5 times this season. It's the shittest idea ever and those wanting it need to wallow in its fucking glory.
It's clearly not a shit idea.

But the implementation of it is massively cack handed.
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It's clearly not a shit idea.

But the implementation of it is massively cack handed.
Yep.

The implementation will improve over time.
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The implementation will improve over time.
Not with this mob in charge of it
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Old 02-11-19, 08:20 PM   #298
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‪So the blue line is close to villa players knee, bobbies hand is further away from the line than his knee, which is in front of his armpit, yet his armpit is closer to the line than the villa players knee??
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They didn’t even refer this one


Some of the decisions are scandalous and it’s not just us.....what this tells us is that officials in the EPL are simply inept
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They didnít even refer this one

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Some of the decisions are scandalous and itís not just us.....what this tells us is that officials in the EPL are simply inept
Iím sure they did, Atkinson looked at it for a split second and indicated no peno! Prick
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Dumb question I know, but does the on field referee have to refer the a decision to VAR or can the VAR official tell the referee that there is an incident that should be looked at?

I have assumed the former, but if a referee doesn't see something how does he know to refer something so that doesn't really make sense.
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That non-handball decision is atrocious. His hand was in a totally unnatural position and that doesn't matter now anyway
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That non-handball decision is atrocious. His hand was in a totally unnatural position and that doesn't matter now anyway
It's back to consistency for me, we've seen those types of decisions given for most of the season, but they got that one wrong
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So how come Atkinson reffed the Man U game and is on VAR duty in the next game? Or am I being whoosed or some shit.

If true, what kind of rota is this. Are we stuck with this bent cunt all season or what?
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So how come Atkinson reffed the Man U game and is on VAR duty in the next game? Or am I being whoosed or some shit.

If true, what kind of rota is this. Are we stuck with this bent cunt all season or what?
Donít forget we played Spurs in between. But with match refs, 4th officials and video assisted refs all coming from the same pool, itís not unusual for the same individuals to be more frequently involved in some capacity against any given team.
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So how come Atkinson reffed the Man U game and is on VAR duty in the next game? Or am I being whoosed or some shit.

If true, what kind of rota is this. Are we stuck with this bent cunt all season or what?
Hes going to be in the background fucking us up even if he isnt directly involved, like one of DBF's undercover agents
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Martin Atkinson wouldn't know which way a lift went if he had two guesses the soft prick.
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shouldn't have refs doing VAR, just need someone with common sense, 20/20 vision & have watched football before........ the ref's will always back their mates, the VAR must be from a non-connected separate group (IMO); until they do this every team is going to get fucked over.

Not that the ref's association would agree to it.......
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Even ex blueshite can’t deny it....yet Atkinson can.....I can’t believe that he has a bias against us but the evidence gets more compelling any time he officiated in one of our games



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Don’t forget we played Spurs in between. But with match refs, 4th officials and video assisted refs all coming from the same pool, it’s not unusual for the same individuals to be more frequently involved in some capacity against any given team.


I had. To be fair, I'm shattered and halfway through a malbec.

Two back-to-back 2-1s after being 1down.

We should be putting pressure on the EFL to get this prick away from us. AF and Jose employed that shit for years.
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Even ex blueshite can’t deny it....yet Atkinson can.....I can’t believe that he has a bias against us but the evidence gets more compelling any time he officiated in one of our games

https://twitter.com/beinsports/statu...18797340000256

https://twitter.com/totkhq/status/1190654144941633538
I've said this before about VAR but I don't believe that they have the ability to determine offsides to the margin of error that they are trying to do. And that's without someone re-drawing the lines.
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I had. To be fair, I'm shattered and halfway through a malbec.

Two back-to-back 2-1s after being 1down.

We should be putting pressure on the EFL to get this prick away from us. AF and Jose employed that shit for years.
Yep, the club absolutely do a Fergie on him. And demand an explanation from PGMOL and The PL as to what went on in that video review where the lines appeared to be manipulated to make Bobby offside.
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shouldn't have refs doing VAR, just need someone with common sense, 20/20 vision & have watched football before........ the ref's will always back their mates, the VAR must be from a non-connected separate group (IMO); until they do this every team is going to get fucked over.

Not that the ref's association would agree to it.......
A computer would be the only impartial way
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Is that the official Specsavers account? They're on to something here and should offer up their services
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Poor/bad taste joke that's what it is. VAR
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Was discussing this tonight with some nerdy mates after one or two celebratory refreshments. One is big into AI and machine learning and reckons it would not be that hard to teach/train/program a computer to do this both quicker and more accurately. And more importantly impartially. The only real issue would be people actually letting it happen.
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Even ex blueshite canít deny it....yet Atkinson can.....I canít believe that he has a bias against us but the evidence gets more compelling any time he officiated in one of our games

https://twitter.com/beinsports/statu...18797340000256

https://twitter.com/totkhq/status/1190654144941633538

Trezeguet's clearly behind VVD though isn't he? Is everyone looking at the wrong player or am I?
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Was discussing this tonight with some nerdy mates after one or two celebratory refreshments. One is big into AI and machine learning and reckons it would not be that hard to teach/train/program a computer to do this both quicker and more accurately. And more importantly impartially. The only real issue would be people actually letting it happen.
I could imagine that it would be easy to determine the furthest forward/back part of a player, but when it comes to a part of the body that you could score with (such as where an arm finishes and an arm pit begins ) that will be much more difficult. Also to train such systems you need to give it accurate training data to work with, and that would include very tight decisions that you would have to have been able to tell it whether they were on or offside which requires us to know. Ultimately it will only be as accurate as the training data put into it.

Regardless it would also require accurate calibration to ensure that the lines are straight. Also I don't believe that you can get the accuracy that people are trying to determine offsides to, for me given the various factors that have to taken into account I'd be surprised if the accuracy is that good.
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