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Old 03-11-19, 12:40 AM   #321
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Your mobile phone can identify faces in a photo, I'm sure a real sized computer could work out an arm attached to a torso
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Old 03-11-19, 12:42 AM   #322
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Can you imagine the fury had we failed to win today because of these decisions
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Old 03-11-19, 12:51 AM   #323
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Your mobile phone can identify faces in a photo, I'm sure a real sized computer could work out an arm attached to a torso
As I say it comes down to the training set that you give it, you would need a person to give it the data and tell it whether it was onside or offside in order to train it. Based on VAR decisions we aren't able to find someone who can do that

Once you train it it will be able to make consistent decisions, but if you give it in accurate data to start with it will make wrong decisions consistently
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Old 03-11-19, 01:31 AM   #324
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Is that the official Specsavers account? They're on to something here and should offer up their services
They'd be the ideal impartial people to oversea VAR.
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Old 03-11-19, 07:29 AM   #325
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I’ve said it before that it doesn’t get any better. Its the 3rd year in the A league and it’s still shit. As I’m writing this they just had a shocker. A handball in the box given, replays show it’s off the chest first so not a penalty. Everyone is ready for it to be changed, the commentators saying it’s clear and obvious, yet the VAR ref backs his mate and says you’re all good it’s a penalty.

We didn’t even have the lines for offsides until this year so it was all on a guy looking at the screen from angles you can’t really tell for offsides. It’s all ridiculous.

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Old 03-11-19, 09:26 AM   #326
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Iíve said it before that it doesnít get any better. Its the 3rd year in the A league and itís still shit. As Iím writing this they just had a shocker. A handball in the box given, replays show itís off the chest first so not a penalty. Everyone is ready for it to be changed, the commentators saying itís clear and obvious, yet the VAR ref backs his mate and says youíre all good itís a penalty.

We didnít even have the lines for offsides until this year so it was all on a guy looking at the screen from angles you canít really tell for offsides. Itís all ridiculous.
Yeah there's been some absolute howlers and ive barely watched any games. Cant handle the abysmal defending and lack of finishing skills. Beggars belief how some of these blokes are paid to pay football. I could put in a better cross than half the league i reckon. They don't even look where they're crossing most of the time, just panic hit the ball across goal.
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Old 03-11-19, 09:29 AM   #327
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Is that the official Specsavers account? They're on to something here and should offer up their services


Fucking funny all the same.
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Old 03-11-19, 11:23 AM   #328
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"Oh shit its onside...oh wait hang on, i'll just swap the lines around and skew it a bit and...offside, no goal, correct decision John ol buddy. Well done"
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Old 03-11-19, 12:05 PM   #329
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No one has explained the process to the fans (either at the ground or watching on TV) which is a problem. I appreciate that someone has to put the lines on, but if you are showing a couple of different lines that look very similar and saying one it right and one is wrong with very little difference between them and no explanation it makes things look dodgy whether they are or not.

Again it just shows the lack of thought about the process, when it was implemented.
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Old 03-11-19, 12:33 PM   #330
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So on that score - whatís the actual tech doing here then, what was the huge song and dance about? The fact that weíve successfully tested a microphone system between field & var referees? And the fact that they have access to a couple of extra angles in a replay?

I was under the impression VAR used actual new technology to help get to an accurate decision. I donít understand how itís just a MS Paint job on the screen, giving a subjective Ďbest guessí based on having a bit more time to analyse it.
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Old 03-11-19, 01:06 PM   #334
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So on that score - whatís the actual tech doing here then, what was the huge song and dance about? The fact that weíve successfully tested a microphone system between field & var referees? And the fact that they have access to a couple of extra angles in a replay?

I was under the impression VAR used actual new technology to help get to an accurate decision. I donít understand how itís just a MS Paint job on the screen, giving a subjective Ďbest guessí based on having a bit more time to analyse it.
I don't think that the technology is that advanced, the big deal with VAR is that they are using some form of technology in the game.

If you think about the technology it's not that advanced, it's the ability to draw lines on a screen presumably at a point where a person (the official) clicks on the screen. It is something that they have been able to do on sky for years.
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I don't think that the technology is that advanced, the big deal with VAR is that they are using some form of technology in the game.



If you think about the technology it's not that advanced, it's the ability to draw lines on a screen presumably at a point where a person (the official) clicks on the screen. It is something that they have been able to do on sky for years.


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Old 03-11-19, 01:22 PM   #337
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Prior to this season I actually thought it was 'the computer' that was deciding if a player was offside or not.
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Old 03-11-19, 02:07 PM   #339
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with no var the linesmen didn't give it either so we would have got done anyway, rather have someone have a second look at it even though they still managed to come to the wrong conclusion just like the United goal.
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Old 03-11-19, 06:03 PM   #340
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Old 03-11-19, 06:15 PM   #341
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It needs as much exposure as possible (might even come in handy next week with some decision ), but the fact that we won will probably overshadow it and allow it to fade into non-news.
Which is exactly what the PL, the PGMOL and VAR in general would like to happen.

Hawk-Eye Innovations already had to apologize not to long ago for the Spurs-Watford malarkey, which was probably not their fault at all IMO, but what we have here is an actual concerted effort to deny us a goal/protect the linesman - though more than likely the former in this case.

They'd just like it to quietly go away.
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Old 03-11-19, 06:42 PM   #342
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How can that not be a foul on Son

Mina touched him with 3 limbs
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Spurs should have had a penalty at Everton. VAR check denied it.

Fairly sure at this stage referees are simply closing ranks and agreeing with the match day official.

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Mina touched him with 3 limbs
Fucking ridiculous wasn't it.
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Because it's an absolutely shocking dive by Son.

It's about as unnatural as the challenge by Mina.

Gives a way out for the officials and system when players continue to milk it.
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Case in point......Richarlison's only interest was turning and going down.

Contact equals fouls in players' minds.
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Old 03-11-19, 07:02 PM   #348
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Because it's an absolutely shocking dive by Son.

It's about as unnatural as the challenge by Mina.

Gives a way out for the officials and system when players continue to milk it.
No way a pen.


Regarding VAR, from what I have seen this season, VAR is beneficial to the way we play with the high line. There have been offsides missed by linesmen and VAR would have chalked off the goals if they were scored. I also think we try and play football the right way so VAR will always help us more than it will hinder.
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fuckin hell i know its everton but var has to give a handball there surely
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amazing to watch the ball hit his hand, which is above his head, from about four different angles to see no pen given
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amazing to watch the ball hit his hand, which is above his head, from about four different angles to see no pen given
It didn't deflect massively but his hand moved and virtually slapped his head
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I don't understand why the referees don't go and look at the screen themselves when a decision is not clear cut, rather than dragging out the drama. The way this was used for the women's world cup in France should have been an example of how to implement VAR efficiently.
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Does anyone else think itís an issue that the var refs are actual refs too? I feel like theyíre gonna be hesitant to overturn their colleagues decisions. A bit like how ya never see cops getting speeding tickets.

Think it would be a lot better if the ref went and looked at the video if the var tells him to. Lot less shame in saying actually you got it wrong at first, as opposed to someone else saying youíre incompetent.
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There shouldn't be any shame in either, its a fast moving game with lots going on, you can't always be in the right spot or looking the right way.

Problem is there's always been a culture of bastard in the black which has created a mentality that if they admit to being wrong it will only make the pelters worse.
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Does anyone else think itís an issue that the var refs are actual refs too? I feel like theyíre gonna be hesitant to overturn their colleagues decisions. A bit like how ya never see cops getting speeding tickets.

Think it would be a lot better if the ref went and looked at the video if the var tells him to. Lot less shame in saying actually you got it wrong at first, as opposed to someone else saying youíre incompetent.
That's a really good point. They should be independent, maybe even foreign referees?
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Does anyone else think itís an issue that the var refs are actual refs too? I feel like theyíre gonna be hesitant to overturn their colleagues decisions. A bit like how ya never see cops getting speeding tickets.

Think it would be a lot better if the ref went and looked at the video if the var tells him to. Lot less shame in saying actually you got it wrong at first, as opposed to someone else saying youíre incompetent.
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Does anyone else think itís an issue that the var refs are actual refs too? I feel like theyíre gonna be hesitant to overturn their colleagues decisions. A bit like how ya never see cops getting speeding tickets.

Think it would be a lot better if the ref went and looked at the video if the var tells him to. Lot less shame in saying actually you got it wrong at first, as opposed to someone else saying youíre incompetent.
Yeah, I said the other day they should consider outsourcing it to somewhere completely impartial. Not that I don't think our refs aren't.
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I don't understand why the referees don't go and look at the screen themselves when a decision is not clear cut, rather than dragging out the drama. The way this was used for the women's world cup in France should have been an example of how to implement VAR efficiently.
I can only assume that it was supposed to save time in that they thought the VAR official could relay a decision in the time it would take to run across to the tunnel. But given most decisions seem to take 2-3mins that argument falls apart rather quickly
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Does anyone else think itís an issue that the var refs are actual refs too? I feel like theyíre gonna be hesitant to overturn their colleagues decisions. A bit like how ya never see cops getting speeding tickets.

Think it would be a lot better if the ref went and looked at the video if the var tells him to. Lot less shame in saying actually you got it wrong at first, as opposed to someone else saying youíre incompetent.
Yes I think they want to back one another up and overturn as few decisions as possible, because next week their roles will be reversed.
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