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Old 17-10-20, 02:39 PM   #481
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Football is broken.
Football is opium for the masses. Where intoxication is involved there is huge GDP level money. And whereas there's huge money like that then well, fill in the blanks.

The offset being we've already probably been 'sold' a VAR decision, or a few, in our favour later on. Football isn't broken, it's running as expected.
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Old 17-10-20, 02:40 PM   #482
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Old 17-10-20, 02:40 PM   #483
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Do you know what, Iíll take that. Performance was so important today and we were very good imo. Weíve never played well at theirs, even in-form. We actually look like we could really kick on now and run away with it. Just need bobby to find his form again and I thought he was looking better today.
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Old 17-10-20, 02:41 PM   #484
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We deserved to win but that's football in 2020 I guess. Really dont understand it but at least we showed a lot in that game. Tells me Villa was an aberration which is the most important takeaway.

Just waiting on the VVD scan now
our defending is still very poor. We look very soft down our right hand side
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Old 17-10-20, 02:41 PM   #485
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David Coote was the VAR ref. I'm convinced this isn't the first time he's fucked up. He needs to be given notice.
Yup.

Exhibit A. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...Leicester.html
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Old 17-10-20, 02:42 PM   #486
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Old 17-10-20, 02:43 PM   #487
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Do you know what, Iíll take that. Performance was so important today and we were very good imo. Weíve never played well at theirs, even in-form. We actually look like we could really kick on now and run away with it. Just need bobby to find his form again and I thought he was looking better today.
This. Thought we were excellent for 60 mins, though we are now back to our pre VVD and Alisson defence, which means we are always liable to cough up a goal or two

But we bossed Everton in the middle of the park, which is supposed to be their strength. You play that 100 times, we win it 95
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Old 17-10-20, 02:43 PM   #488
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Klopp simmering with full-on rage.

Apparently Thiago injured also. Unsurprisingly.
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Old 17-10-20, 02:44 PM   #489
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our defending is still very poor. We look very soft down our right hand side


I think our issues is us losing the ball upfront and not being ready for the counter. First goal was a bit of an issue with us adjusting to Van Dijk trudging off and us taking a bit of time organising.
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Old 17-10-20, 02:45 PM   #490
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The more of this post match bs I'm watching, the more angry I become. Blood is boiling after that. People trying to justify the officiating is even worse than the officiating itself.
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Old 17-10-20, 02:46 PM   #491
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Just seen the red cards again. Now worried about Virgil.

Thiago as well.

Everton are a disgrace.
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Old 17-10-20, 02:48 PM   #492
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The refereeing is so unbelievably bad. 2 potential massive injuries for bad tackles in one game.

My heart is still pounding that was a fucking shocker at the end.
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Old 17-10-20, 02:48 PM   #493
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Old 17-10-20, 02:48 PM   #494
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Anyone got the vid link to klopp's rage?
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Old 17-10-20, 02:49 PM   #495
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Anyone got the vid link to klopp's rage?
It was simmering rage. He kept control.
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Old 17-10-20, 02:51 PM   #496
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I hope Richarlison gets an extended ban the cunt. Oh and I hope Pickford gets a retrospective ban too.
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Old 17-10-20, 02:52 PM   #497
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You can see from the ‘blur’ of the ball that the pass has been made by Thiago so the footage should be rolled back. All that’s happening is good play is being penalised. They are making minuscule decisions on unclear footage.
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Old 17-10-20, 02:53 PM   #498
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Old 17-10-20, 02:54 PM   #499
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Fine margins and yes VAR and officials were absolutely appalling today. No excuses though - we should have been out of sight earlier, donít even know what Robbo was attempting with Calvert Lewinís equaliser.. if we were more clinical it wouldnít have mattered.
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Old 17-10-20, 02:55 PM   #500
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You can see from the Ďblurí of the ball that the pass has been made by Thiago so the footage should be rolled back. All thatís happening is good play is being penalised. They are making minuscule decisions on unclear footage.
i think I remember someone talking about this and how the number of frames in the footage isn't enough to get the exact frame at times
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Robertson was shit for their equaliser but where were our two main defenders?
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The refereeing is so unbelievably bad. 2 potential massive injuries for bad tackles in one game.

My heart is still pounding that was a fucking shocker at the end.


I think Oliver had a decent game. For Pickfords challenge he might not have had the best view, but he would have been advised by the assistant ref and the var official who fucked up really. He got it right for the Richarlison foul straight away.

One of those games.
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Robertson was shit for their equaliser but where were our two main defenders?


Very difficult to defend this. Virgil might have unnerved him but the pass was great from James. Canít blame the defence for this but surely the way we lost the ball and left ourselves exposed is something we need to look at.
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Old 17-10-20, 02:59 PM   #504
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donít even know what Robbo was attempting with Calvert Lewinís equaliser...

Not sure what he could have done. Calwert Lewin already high in the air and anything Andy could have done is concede a penalty.
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Old 17-10-20, 03:00 PM   #505
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i think I remember someone talking about this and how the number of frames in the footage isn't enough to get the exact frame at times
Football should be shot at 100fps, not 50fps!
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Old 17-10-20, 03:00 PM   #506
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Fine margins and yes VAR and officials were absolutely appalling today. No excuses though - we should have been out of sight earlier, donít even know what Robbo was attempting with Calvert Lewinís equaliser.. if we were more clinical it wouldnít have mattered.
Wouldnít have conceded either of them goals had VVD been on the pitch.
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i think I remember someone talking about this and how the number of frames in the footage isn't enough to get the exact frame at times
Yep, so the point remains why is the VAR ref making absolute guesses with a winning goal moments from the full time whistle?
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i think I remember someone talking about this and how the number of frames in the footage isn't enough to get the exact frame at times
If a defender is walking the opposite direction to the striker at 3 miles per hour - slower than average walking pace - they will cover 1.34112m in 1 second. Double that because the attacker is moving at the same pace. 2.68224 meters per second or 268.224 cm

Offside decisions use cameras that operate at 50 frames per second. Assuming they can pinpoint the exact frame at which the ball is struck there is a 5.3cm margin of error. 1 frame either side and you have a 16cm margin of error.

Now what if the players are running?
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Yep, so the point remains why is the VAR ref making absolute guesses with a winning goal moments from the full time whistle?
You have to go with the infield decision. Then, let the ref look at it. If he feels there is evidence to make him change his mind then do so, if not you stay with on field decision.

You still may get the odd shocker, but ultimately there is accountability (as there used to be if ref made a bad decision). Referee MUST have final say.

Itís not complicated.
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You have to go with the infield decision. Then, let the ref look at it. If he feels there is evidence to make him change his mind then do so, if not you stay with on field decision.

You still may get the odd shocker, but ultimately there is accountability (as there used to be if ref made a bad decision). Referee MUST have final say.

It’s not complicated.


This Coote fella came from the championship and was investigated a few years ago and suspended over something or other, details on that are pretty unclear but it's obvious he's not up to the job.
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Old 17-10-20, 03:12 PM   #512
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You have to go with the infield decision. Then, let the ref look at it. If he feels there is evidence to make him change his mind then do so, if not you stay with on field decision.

You still may get the odd shocker, but ultimately there is accountability (as there used to be if ref made a bad decision). Referee MUST have final say.

It’s not complicated.


great post. so obvious really

we're back to the not using the screens again
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Yep, so the point remains why is the VAR ref making absolute guesses with a winning goal moments from the full time whistle?
buzzo nailed it
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Yes Buzzo.

Am not even angry anymore tbh. Just don’t see the point.
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Old 17-10-20, 03:16 PM   #515
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I'm fucking livid after that. Two shocking VAR decisions. The Premier League have to come out and explain the offside - give us the image that shows it.

We played well though and Thiago is fucking class!
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If I’ve posted ‘that’s how they do it in Rugby’ once on here I have a million times. Rugby Union has been using VAR for years. They have decisions where you have footage being rolled backward and forward to make split decisions. But. Unless there is clear video evidence to the contrary then the on field decision remains.

It’s really that easy.

Are there times where there are debatable decisions? Yes. But we will always have those and if those protocols are followed then the decision making process is clear and easy to understand.
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What the fuck is the point if offside VAR is a human decision in the end. If its that close its onside.

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If Iíve posted Ďthatís how they do it in Rugbyí once on here I have a million times. Rugby Union has been using VAR for years. They have decisions where you have footage being rolled backward and forward to make split decisions. But. Unless there is clear video evidence to the contrary then the on field decision remains.

Itís really that easy.

Are there times where there are debatable decisions? Yes. But we will always have those and if those protocols are followed then the decision making process is clear.
Its amazing how poor the implementation of VAR in the PL has been
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Amidst all of this, i have a fear Virgil will be out for the season.
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The lack of scrutiny for Pickfords challenge on VVD is unbelievable. The play was live at the time and he mows him down with a career wrecking tackle. And what do the VAR fkrs do, hide their cowardly arses behind a marginal offside. Fkn disgrace! Even Tim Cahill was grilling Dermot Gallagher on it!
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