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Old 18-04-21, 10:22 PM   #1041
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I don't like the idea of it personally but I find the moral manoeuvrabilty of many rather hypocritical. Is it greedy on the clubs part? Almost certainly, but it is difficult to feel any sympathy for UEFA and FIFA who have been pushing the real fans out of football for years to bring in corporate brands and sponsors for CL and WC finals making it difficult for real fans to get tickets etc. All they are interested in is the profit, they started this massive commercialization of the sport and are now trying to avoid becoming victims of it. The clubs presumably see all the money being made by UEFA or FIFA as being done off the back of their brand, players fan base etc and feel that they aren't really getting their fair share and feel going it alone and cutting out UEFA or FIFA gets them the revenue that they believe they are due. Similarly Sky will ggo all out to condemn it now, but you can guarantee that they will be bidding for The TV rights.

The articles that I have read are suggesting the clubs want this essentially as a replacement for the CL, and games would be played midweek with domestic games being played weekends, but the Fa's along with UEFA and FIFA are saying they can't have both, again this feels like protecting their positions more than being the up holders of fairness etc, UEFA are fucked if this happens, similarly if the value of the PL deals will be much reduced if a super league takes place even if those clubs are allowed to remain in it, but if the kick them out they are even more fucked.

I hope that it's just a power play, the people who will suffer most are the fans and the other clubs in the league, so I hope it doesn't happen for those reasons.
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Old 18-04-21, 10:25 PM   #1042
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Old 18-04-21, 10:26 PM   #1043
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I'll just lose interest if we simply play top clubs every week, it'll just turn into exhibition matches, and the transfer market will probably have to change into a draft style as there wouldn't be any financial incentive for players to move.

And if Liverpool FC go ahead then fuck them too.
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Old 18-04-21, 10:34 PM   #1044
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agreed it will just be like watching the Harlem Globetrotters everyweek, presume they can make there own rules too. pitch into quarters for offside? no offside, points for goals ......the mind boggles?
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Old 18-04-21, 10:47 PM   #1045
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The thought of teams having eternal entry because they are 'founders' should be a none starter. Neville and Sky going overboard with talks of punishment for what was leaked news is both hypocritical given their employer and reactionary at best.

There are some good things proposed that really should be considered. 55% of revenue as a cap for spending is sensible.

The clubs are being greedy but lets not pretend the other side are any better. UEFA and FIFA are corrupt to their core and equally are ruled by money.

I hope it doesn't take off, but I would be all for some sort of reform. The CL's new proposal sounds awful and UEFA themselves are protecting teams with high co-efficient points so they can again fuck off with any moral high ground really.
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Old 18-04-21, 10:53 PM   #1046
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The CL's new proposal sounds awful and UEFA themselves are protecting teams with high co-efficient points so they can again fuck off with any moral high ground really.
Think that is the crux of it, the bigger clubs don't want this new format (not sure I care for it myself either) and are trying to bully UEFA into new discussions.

To be honest, I like the old group format, but maybe change the quotas cos every group stage contains some cannon fodder...make those clubs enter at a qualification against 5/6th clubs from stronger leagues maybe??
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Old 18-04-21, 10:57 PM   #1047
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Think that is the crux of it, the bigger clubs don't want this new format (not sure I care for it myself either) and are trying to bully UEFA into new discussions.

To be honest, I like the old group format, but maybe change the quotas cos every group stage contains some cannon fodder...make those clubs enter at a qualification against 5/6th clubs from stronger leagues maybe??
The structure proposed for this breakaway is 2 groups of 10 with top 4 progressing, I think something along those lines could be a good shake up. Maybe it could be broken into 4 groups of 10 instead of a clean breakaway?

This is both a money and power grab though, teams like Spurs are tagging along and being used as weight by the likes of ourselves and United.
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Old 18-04-21, 11:58 PM   #1048
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The idea sucks. The whole reason a tie like Liverpool vs Real Madrid or FC Bayern vs Barcelona is special is because it doesn't happen often.

Once they start playing regularly you will lose this element of it.

The idea of permanent members to any competition also sucks, it should be based on merit.
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Old 19-04-21, 12:01 AM   #1049
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It won't necessarily make anything more interesting long term either. Who's to say a new subset of the super league clubs wouldn't become overly dominant to the point where it's boring.
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Old 19-04-21, 12:07 AM   #1050
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The idea sucks. The whole reason a tie like Liverpool vs Real Madrid or FC Bayern vs Barcelona is special is because it doesn't happen often.

Once they start playing regularly you will lose this element of it.

The idea of permanent members to any competition also sucks, it should be based on merit.
Yep, been a supporter for 43 years. Had enough of this extreme capitalism in the sport. No more, I'm done.
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Old 19-04-21, 12:15 AM   #1051
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Also even more ridiculous that it comes at a time when travelling has never been more difficult. It's not a foregone conclusion that we will see the easy and cheap type of travel within Europe again in the near future. Terrible for fans.
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Old 19-04-21, 05:41 AM   #1052
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It won't necessarily make anything more interesting long term either. Who's to say a new subset of the super league clubs wouldn't become overly dominant to the point where it's boring.
Then we have super super league breakaway
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Old 19-04-21, 06:32 AM   #1053
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BBC News - European Super League: Premier League's 'big six' agree to join new league
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Old 19-04-21, 09:28 AM   #1054
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So, will Season Tickets suddenly become available to those on the waiting list, do we think? Will people have courage in their convictions to give up something that they will then never be able to get back, knowing full well that there will always be someone else waiting to pick it up?
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Old 19-04-21, 10:26 AM   #1055
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What a day for Spurs to fire Jose!
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Old 19-04-21, 10:41 AM   #1056
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Old 19-04-21, 10:52 AM   #1057
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Old 19-04-21, 11:28 AM   #1058
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I imagine Bayern and PSG have no leverage within their own leagues. They would be quite happy for another team to win for once. Interesting how they have been quiet.
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Old 19-04-21, 11:56 AM   #1059
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I imagine Bayern and PSG have no leverage within their own leagues. They would be quite happy for another team to win for once. Interesting how they have been quiet.
Bayern majority shareholders are their fans so the board won't get a say in the direction they want to take.

PSG chairman is on the plush UEFA committee so a conflict of interest if he decides on the Super League, is the way to go.
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Old 19-04-21, 01:30 PM   #1060
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Old 19-04-21, 01:31 PM   #1061
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Old 19-04-21, 01:35 PM   #1062
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Let's just day he did, where would he go? He wouldn't able to join another "Super League" club. Aside from back to a German team I can't think where he'd end up. Bayern seems the most likely option?

If the rumours are true that he wasn't consulted I think that might be enough to make him quit, but surely he knew this was coming?

I feel sorry for him tonight as he's the first of the "Super League" managers that's going to get a grilling about it. No one will be interested in the game, every single question will be about this issue instead.
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Old 19-04-21, 01:37 PM   #1063
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Let's just day he did, where would he go? He wouldn't able to join another "Super League" club. Aside from back to a German team I can't think where he'd end up. Bayern seems the most likely option?

If the rumours are true that he wasn't consulted I think that might be enough to make him quit, but surely he knew this was coming?

I feel sorry for him tonight as he's the first of the "Super League" managers that's going to get a grilling about it. No one will be interested in the game, every single question will be about this issue instead.
The club doesn't make him available for interviews and pays whatever the fine is
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Old 19-04-21, 02:18 PM   #1064
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Why would he, unless he planned to retire or take the Germany job, which he didn’t sound too keen on? If he does, it’s a convenient excuse.
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Old 19-04-21, 02:39 PM   #1065
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I'm sure he has the inside track on all matters concerning LFC
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Old 19-04-21, 02:47 PM   #1066
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Well of course I don't. I can see him walking though. He's a righteous dude.
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Old 19-04-21, 03:05 PM   #1067
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Why would he, unless he planned to retire or take the Germany job, which he didnít sound too keen on? If he does, itís a convenient excuse.

Look at what he achieved at Mainz and Dortmund- itís teams like that, that suffer most from this.

Yes this is probably a good thing for him personally- he could probably make a lot more money... but heís a conscientious guy, and cares about the game. It wouldnít surprise me if he come out tonight, saying that he wonít manage in it...
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The guy in front of me in the queue at Sainsburyís earlier said heís definitely staying.
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Old 19-04-21, 03:29 PM   #1069
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Why would he, unless he planned to retire or take the Germany job, which he didnít sound too keen on? If he does, itís a convenient excuse.
He's always said he'd take a year off after his time with us is over... maybe he'll see this as the time for that?

That said, I can't see any of this being sanctioned or going ahead... it very much feels like the clubs are trying to leverage their power to get better CL deals... but it stinks, the timing stinks and it's undoubtedly caused some irreparable damage to the clubs and their supporters, en masse.
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Iain Holloway offers his thoughts on the ESL

'One of pure disgust, I have to say. I don’t know about you, but I spent time watching Prince Philip’s funeral on the weekend and for the first time in a long time I was really proud of being British. This morning, that’s just gone away. That man was so selfless in his life and I wanted us to come out of his pandemic caring about other people more than ourselves, but the opposite is happening. I am totally outraged and absolutely disgusted in how selfish some people can be. The game belongs to supporters, not them and I have never seen anything like it.'
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Pretty reactionary this from UEFA. Greedy fuckers being out foxed by even greedier fuckers at the moment.
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Pretty reactionary this from UEFA. Greedy fuckers being out foxed by even greedier fuckers at the moment.
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Iain Holloway offers his thoughts on the ESL

'One of pure disgust, I have to say. I donít know about you, but I spent time watching Prince Philipís funeral on the weekend and for the first time in a long time I was really proud of being British. This morning, thatís just gone away. That man was so selfless in his life and I wanted us to come out of his pandemic caring about other people more than ourselves, but the opposite is happening. I am totally outraged and absolutely disgusted in how selfish some people can be. The game belongs to supporters, not them and I have never seen anything like it.'
Read in my head in Ian's West Country accent of course
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Chelsea, Manchester City and Real Madrid will likely be banned from this season's Champions League semi-finals because of their involvement in the proposed European Super League, says a UEFA executive committee member.

UEFA executive committee member Jesper Moller said: "The clubs must go, and I expect that to happen on Friday."

Jesper Moller, head of the Danish FA, told broadcaster DR: "The clubs must go, and I expect that to happen on Friday. Then we have to find out how to finish (this season's) Champions League tournament."
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