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New Liverpool signing Sadio Mane on Klopp, Istanbul and following in Gerrard's footsteps
Sadio Mane has revealed how Jurgen Klopp played a key role in convincing him to swap Southampton for Liverpool. The Senegalese international completed a Ł30m switch to Anfield on Tuesday , becoming the third most expensive signing in Reds history. Mane will wear the No.19 shirt on Merseyside, and speaking shortly after putting pen to paper on his long-term contract, said it was “the right club, the right coach and the right moment” for him. “Today is a big day,” he said. “I’m very happy to sign for one of the biggest clubs in Europe, a club with a lot of trophies and a big story. “Now I’m looking forward to meeting all the staff, my teammates and to start the season. “I knew that Liverpool were interested in me. I had some opportunities, but for me it is the right club, the right coach and the right moment to change. I am very happy to be part of Liverpool Football Club. “I spoke with him (Klopp). I think he played a big role in me coming to Liverpool, and I want to thank him for his confidence. I am looking forward to working hard and giving my best for the club “He said he wanted me to come to Liverpool. I didn’t even have to ask myself, I said straight away that I was interested because I knew Liverpool. It was the right club for me, and the right coach as well.” Mane’s recent memories of Liverpool will be positive – he scored twice against the Reds at St Mary’s back in March, and netted four times in all against them last season. But the 24-year-old was already well familiar with his new club by that point, as he revealed to Liverpoolfc.com today. “Liverpool is the big club in the world,” he said. “I remember when I was younger, I watched Liverpool versus AC Milan in 2005, which was amazing. I was very happy for Liverpool that night. “They have always had great players, legends like Gerrard, Carragher and others. I can say now that it is a dream come true, and I am very happy to be part of Liverpool. He added: “I remember the game (in March). We won 3-2, and I was happy to score the two goals for my team. But now it’s behind me and I am looking forward to my new challenge and being ready for next season. “I am looking forward to playing with the great players like Sturridge, Coutinho, Lallana, Milner. “It’s very exciting to play at Anfield, in front of the amazing fans. I’m looking forward to a great season together, as a club. “I want the fans to have confidence. I think this season will be special, and I am excited to meet everybody and enjoy the season.”
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He'd have been 13 or something when we beat Milan. Fucking hell I feel old
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Liverpool transfer for Sadio Mane is not an exciting marquee signing - Klopp can change that
There is no reason why the apathy that has met Mane signing can't become something more Jurgen Klopp has been insistent from the beginning. In his first campaign – a furious one which had injuries, adaptation, an unprecedented fixture pile-up – the German found one consistency. His management is about training, not transfers. That was his message when he arrived in October. It was similar a month later, in the aftermath of his first defeat as Liverpool manager. “I’m not the guy who buys 10 players today and sells 10 players tomorrow, because we want to work together,” he said. “I believe in training, sometimes I feel like I’m the only one in this country who believes in training, only others believe in transfers. “I love this game because training can make the difference.” That idea has been prevalent throughout his first year on Merseyside. He said it when he missed out on Alex Teixeira because of Shakhtar’s astronomical demands - “We have money, but we are not in Disneyland” - and was intimating similar in the build-up to the Europa League final. It’s training, not transfers, which Klopp cares about most. But that isn’t sexy enough. Rolling news channels of torturous yellow hue do not concern themselves with kilometres run around training cones; social media does not become ablaze because of preparations on a Friday afternoon at Melwood. Modern football is obsessed with transfers. They are followed as fiercely as what happens on the pitch, eliciting the same emotions. A successful signing is cause for celebration; missing out on a target prompts despair. What a contrast then, that a manager so charismatic, should focus on something so regarded as banal. He would no doubt be confused with the reaction to Sadio Mane’s Ł30m move to Anfield, which is expected to be completed today. The criticisms over the deal are clear, and most are fair. There is concern over the fee, questions over his consistency and grumbling over a transfer which once more involves Southampton. There has been another cause for complaint, however. Mane is not the marquee signing. It’s a questionable term in footballing lexicon full of them. The ‘managerial merry-go-round’ does not see Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho and Pep Guardiola straddling plastic pink horses eating cotton candy, nor is the ‘road to Wembley’ a long strip of tarmac which cars career up until finally parking up at the FA Cup final in May. Likewise, no player has ever been unveiled under a marquee. The utterance of the term, however, is revealing. He is the main man, the big hitter, a player to sell thousands of shirts with a mere wave to the crowd. That isn’t Mane. It could have been Mario Gotze, but he has become so accustomed to the bench at the Allianz Arena, he wants to stay there. Despite that, the German’s arrival would have no doubt been lauded more than Mane’s. Yet look at their respective efforts over the last 24 months. Mane has scored the fastest Premier League hat trick, notching three goals in under three minutes; he has scored against Arsenal, Chelsea and Everton; he bagged a stunning treble against Manchester City, and put four past Liverpool this season. His level of performance has seen him attract interest from Manchester United, Tottenham and Bayern Munich. In that time, Gotze has started just 39 league games and has struggled to maintain the standard that saw him as Germany’s World Cup winner. He has won titles, but has been a peripheral figure, a loss of form and fitness telling. That is not to suggest Mane is a better player than Gotze. Indeed, a comparison feels pointless, the difference in their styles raising the question how the Senegalese was considered the alternative. The apathy is tangible; Mane as the star buy is an underwhelming prospect. That is despite the forward producing some truly outstanding moments in the Premier League. Perhaps that – the Premier League – is the key to this. Mane has been a weekly fixture on television screens for the past two years. The joy of the unknown is very much absent. That intense feeling towards transfers is akin to a child at Christmas. That wander down the stairs to see what Santa has left is no different to the turn of the newspaper page to see who will be wearing red from August onwards. Receiving a toy you have already played with is not much fun at all. That’s understandable. There is no real allure to Mane’s arrival and, after two years at Southampton, the mystique is non-existent. Remember Klopp’s vow, though. Training, not transfers. Fans have seen what he is capable of at the Saints, but not Liverpool. When the Reds appointed Klopp, he came with a reputation of improving players. In his first campaign, he did that with a number of the current squad – including attack-minded players such as Roberto Firmino, Divock Origi and Adam Lallana. His currency is in creating stars, not collecting them from elsewhere. Mane is still considered a raw talent. At 24, there is plenty of scope for improvement. No player has had as many unsuccessful touches as him over the past two seasons, and he attempted an average of 33 passes per game in 2015-16. Statistics that need to improve, and could do under Klopp. Mane’s previous two managers – Roger Schmidt and Ronald Koeman – both liked to play a pressing game, something that will be valuable under another keen proponent of that style. There is not much excitement surrounding Mane, but there could be once Klopp gets him on the training pitch. Liverpool have rarely been a club to pursue the biggest names available, and without Champions League football, that will continue. The Reds boss won’t mind that, either. It is training, not transfers, which excite him. Perhaps it should excite the fans, too. It did in October. For now, fans must simply tear down their marquee infatuation, for Klopp at Melwood is the biggest show in town.
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Yep, gets my vote!...looking forward to him linking up with Ings, Sturridge, Origi, Coutinho & Firmino...we won't be fancied at all by any of the PL defenders!
Lovren, Matip & the rest of the defenders incl our keepers will be made to work for their pay in training.
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r reports from the reliable Liverpool Echo, the Reds are targeting Sadio Mane as their key summer transfer in attack. Rumored to command a few of about Ł30 million, Mane would rank as Liverpool’s third largest signing in history. Mane is a secondary target for the Reds after Mario Gotze basically refused to come to Anfield despite his struggles over the past couple seasons at Bayern Munich. Possessing tremendous pace and promising yet inconsistent skills in the final third, Mane would be a big signing for Liverpool. However, is Mane the best option for the Reds out wide, especially for such a hefty fee and weekly wage?
Operating primarily on the right wing this season for Southampton, Mane scored 15 goals and assisted another nine in 43 appearances (transfermarkt). Utilizing his scintillating pace and clinical finishing in the final third, Mane is a very streaky player who did not record a goal or assist for almost four months before scoring eight in as many matches. Mane would offer a wide presence that Liverpool were unable to provide this season after the departure of Raheem Sterling. Due to Jordon Ibe’s developmental lull, the Reds were devoid of width throughout the second half of the season that Klopp has made a point of addressing this transfer window. Mane’s ability to run in behind the defense from the right wing would add a totally new dimension to the Liverpool attack. Currently, Adam Lallana plays on the right side as a part of the midfield three behind the striker in Klopp’s preferred 4-2-3-1 formation. Lallana’s role is more of a facilitator to help Liverpool’s more creative players get in dangerous positions. Also, Lallana is best known for his ability to operate the press and consistently win back the ball for his side. Mane would be much more of an attacking focal point, while offering a presence in the final third that Lallana does not appear capable of. Mane would be brought in as competition for Lallana, but the two players are very different in their styles. Mane attacks with pace and focuses more on finishing off his own chances whereas Lallana’s role is to create for others. For a better illustration, Mane averaged 2.1 dribbles, 1.1 key passes, and 2.3 shots per game whereas Lallana only made 1.2 dribbles and 1.5 shots per game, but made 1.7 key passes per match (whoscored). The key difference between Mane and Lallana is that Mane operates by running at defenders down the flanks while Lallana, though technically a wide player, tends to drift inside more and participate in buildup rather than charging down wide areas. Whether or not the change in style from the right midfield position would have a significant impact on the side is up for debate, but Mane would clearly offer a threat that Lallana cannot, utilizing his skillset that none of Liverpool’s players currently possess. Perhaps the biggest reason why Klopp is so interested in Mane is the Senegalese player’s underrated ability to press. As I previously mentioned, Lallana’s ever presence in the Liverpool team this past season was largely due to his pressing abilities. However, Mane might actually be an upgrade over the Englishman in this area of the game. This season Mane averaged a stellar 1.5 tackles and 0.9 interceptions per match (whoscored). Even though Lallana averaged 0.5 more tackles per match, Mane actually made 0.4 more interceptions per match (whoscored). In addition, Mane recovered possession for the Saints every 14.2 minutes, virtually the same as Lallana’s mark of a recovery every 14.06 minutes (liverpoolfc.com). Mane’s ability to press the defense in a side that did not have the fervent demands of Jurgen Klopp is the most underrated side of Mane’s game. Plus, Mane would only improve his defensive abilities under a manager who values the defensive aspect more than Koeman at Southampton. Mane may have the same effectiveness pressing as Lallana does now, but if he were to come to Anfield and work with Klopp, the Senegal International would likely become superior to Lallana. Despite Mane’s incredibly frustrating inconsistency that would need to be ironed out in order for him to become an unequivocal success for such a pricy fee, he would definitely be an upgrade on Lallana. However, for a huge fee of Ł30 million, Mane does not have the consistency to be immediately worth such a large sum. Mane would arrive on Merseyside as the fourth best attacking player in the Reds’ side behind Sturridge, Coutinho, and Firmino. Plus, the latter two players struggled this season from the inconsistency that plagued Mane (albeit to a lesser extent than the Southampton wide man) suggesting that this problem, which happened one of the biggest reasons why the Reds finished a mere eighth in the table, may not be immediately fixed by adding Mane to the squad. In fact, Mane could actually make this problem worse after his season was basically three seasons in one where he started strong, then disappeared for a few months, before finishing the season in the same form he started. For a Reds side that needs to take advantage of no European competitions this season by finishing in the top four, Mane’s inconsistency combined with current Reds’ players inability to consistently deliver at the level they are capable of could worsen the problem. Mane is a notorious stat padder who was not as dominant as his 15 goal/9 assist tally would suggest. Southampton are a club that regularly sell their players well above market value especially to other Premier League clubs. If the Reds were forced to pay Ł30 million (the Saints initially wanted Ł40 million) it would be another overpay for a Southampton player, as transfermarkt rates Mane’s market value at Ł20 million. Transfermarkt is not an exact valuation system, but their analysis of Mane is pretty accurate. Mane has the potential to be worth upwards of Ł40 million and perhaps even higher, but his lack of consistency warrants a much cheaper fee despite his flashy stat line. At that high of a fee, the Reds should be welcoming in a player that would immediately become one of the three best players in the side. Mane is only that level for about half the season and while Klopp could develop the Senegalese striker into the level he could become, a Ł30-Ł40 million player should traditionally be much closer to the finished product. With all of the money going into the coffers of Premier League sides this season, it should not be surprising that Southampton are asking for such a high fee. Market values are at astronomical highs, and for a player with Mane’s skillset that would fit into what the Reds need very well, there are few options that would equal what Mane can bring to Anfield. As a result, purchasing Mane would be an overpay, but due to current market conditions, this may be the Reds’ only viable option. In addition, under the tutelage of Klopp, Mane could become a player that is worth almost twice of what the Reds pay for him. The Senegal international regularly goes through stretches in which he is easily one of the best players in England, and if Klopp can develop Mane into a player who can consistently perform at this level, the Reds would be getting a steal. A Ł30 million fee is a realistic cost in today’s market to purchase a player that offers a very good level of play in the short term, but who also has a potential to be a star. Many Liverpool fans would be disappointed to have to shell out so much money for a player that is not the finished product—myself included—but unfortunately this is a direct result of current market conditions. Mane would not be the perfect signing, but due to exorbitant valuations in the transfer market and Mane’s premium skillset, a Ł30 million transfer would be an acceptable piece of business for the Reds that could turn out to be a massive bargain a few years down the road. http://jkavo.sportsblog.com/posts/20...iverpool-.html a bit tompkin-esque but worth a rread
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The kid's going to be a legend here. Absolute bargain.
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A better version of Stirling for 20m less.
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Benteke was bought for a certain role, he was just completely the wrong fit.
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No, it's Dule Hill.
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Mane v Bayern Munich in January 2014 friendly , the home side put out a strong starting 11 so it's not like BM weren't trying.
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Not too bothered about him losing possession. We are not a possession side, we seem to be gearing up to be a counter attacking, high pressing, all. energy side. If Mane is willing to take responsibility, take on players and try make things happen.... I have no problem with him losing possession now and again. So many of our players wait for someone else to do something. Be nice to see someone accept responsibility and try make things happen.
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I wonder was Dan playing dumb or just being polite!
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Welcome to Liverpool - Sadio Mané
Not seen many teams posted recently.
Clyne-Sakho-Lovren-Gomez ------Can ----- Matip ------- Mane --- Coutinho --- Firmino -----------Origi -------------
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Moreno is starting IMO.
And probably Sturridge as well for the start of the season at least, Origi will be tired after being runners up at the Euros. Otherwise I can totally see Mane fitting well in, he's actually that speedy, versatile attacker we've been crying out for. At Redcafe he is universally agreed to be a good signing for us as well.
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