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Old 19-10-20, 12:05 PM   #81
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Nothing major does jimbo know joel????
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Old 19-10-20, 12:13 PM   #82
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Nothing major does jimbo know joel????
Joyce and Bascombe have said the same thing. The info is coming from the club.
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Old 19-10-20, 12:20 PM   #83
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Joyce and Bascombe have said the same thing. The info is coming from the club.
I was more pointing out that nothing major with matip usually means a few weeks out
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Old 19-10-20, 12:22 PM   #84
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I was more pointing out that nothing major with matip usually means a few weeks out
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100% keep matip for the league. No point risking him for champions league.
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Old 19-10-20, 04:50 PM   #86
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Am still bullish about our chances but in terms of squad impact this is the worst possible outcome. I just listened to a pod where the injury was discussed by physios and sports scientists and they said it looked as ‘standard’ as you get from an ACL injury. He should recover fine.

VVD clocks up the most minutes per season of any player in World Football - circa 5000 whereas Gomez and Matip average about 2200 each.......already we have a gap so Fab will need to step in.

I genuinely wonder if we go for an experienced stop gap CB in Jan, buy top quality, make do or play Billy K/ Rhys Williams......
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Old 19-10-20, 05:23 PM   #87
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Am still bullish about our chances but in terms of squad impact this is the worst possible outcome. I just listened to a pod where the injury was discussed by physios and sports scientists and they said it looked as Ďstandardí as you get from an ACL injury. He should recover fine.

VVD clocks up the most minutes per season of any player in World Football - circa 5000 whereas Gomez and Matip average about 2200 each.......already we have a gap so Fab will need to step in.

I genuinely wonder if we go for an experienced stop gap CB in Jan, buy top quality, make do or play Billy K/ Rhys Williams......
imo it has forced our hand. Honestly I think we should go for a main stay and not just a stop gap. Matip will not stay fit, Gomez is injury prone and makes too many mistakes. Maybe now is the time to look for a permanent partner for VVD. Having to sacrifice Fabinho from our CM is a bit ridiculous to be honest.
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Old 19-10-20, 05:26 PM   #88
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imo it has forced our hand. Honestly I think we should go for a main stay and not just a stop gap. Matip will not stay fit, Gomez is injury prone and makes too many mistakes. Maybe now is the time to look for a permanent partner for VVD. Having to sacrifice Fabinho from our CM is a bit ridiculous to be honest.
You have Upamecano who has a release clause next summer of £36million. Us and Man Utd have been linked with that. I can't see us spending big in January, especially with no fans back yet, and potentially a deal like that in the summer. Unless there's a decent name we could get on loan? I can't think of any. The only freebie we could get is Garay (ex Valencia), but he's returning from a cruciate injury himself.
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Old 19-10-20, 05:33 PM   #89
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You have Upamecano who has a release clause next summer of £36million. Us and Man Utd have been linked with that. I can't see us spending big in January, especially with no fans back yet, and potentially a deal like that in the summer. Unless there's a decent name we could get on loan? I can't think of any. The only freebie we could get is Garay (ex Valencia), but he's returning from a cruciate injury himself.
I would actually go for Ibrahima Konate. I know he missed most of last season but he's a physically imposing defender and he is excellent in the air. The only thing Upamecano has on him is his long passing imo. Konate can also play deep or in a high line.

By the way I knew Gomez was poor in the air but 56% success is really bad. I don't think he won one duel against Calvert-Lewin. It really is a part of his game he needs to improve (he's 6 ft 2) as well as well as his reading of the game which will hopefully come as he gains more experience.
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Old 19-10-20, 05:49 PM   #90
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Am still bullish about our chances but in terms of squad impact this is the worst possible outcome. I just listened to a pod where the injury was discussed by physios and sports scientists and they said it looked as Ďstandardí as you get from an ACL injury. He should recover fine.

VVD clocks up the most minutes per season of any player in World Football - circa 5000 whereas Gomez and Matip average about 2200 each.......already we have a gap so Fab will need to step in.

I genuinely wonder if we go for an experienced stop gap CB in Jan, buy top quality, make do or play Billy K/ Rhys Williams......
So Gomez and Matip each average 24 games a season, in all competitions.

We have 33 PL games remaining and 6 in the CL, minimum. 78 combined CB starts.

78 minus 48 would still leave 30 games for Fabinho to cover at CB, and obviously he can only cover 1 of them at a time!

Thatís also ignoring that Gomez has already played 6 times and Matip 2.

I hope the youngsters are up to it, otherwise we desperately need someone else in January. Or for Matip and Gomez to suddenly be fit and available over 50% more between them.

I just canít see us doing major business in January with the return of fans not being anywhere in sight.
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Old 19-10-20, 06:16 PM   #91
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So Gomez and Matip each average 24 games a season, in all competitions.

We have 33 PL games remaining and 6 in the CL, minimum. 78 combined CB starts.

78 minus 48 would still leave 30 games for Fabinho to cover at CB, and obviously he can only cover 1 of them at a time!

That’s also ignoring that Gomez has already played 6 times and Matip 2.

I hope the youngsters are up to it, otherwise we desperately need someone else in January. Or for Matip and Gomez to suddenly be fit and available over 50% more between them.

I just can’t see us doing major business in January with the return of fans not being anywhere in sight.
Gomez and Matip is career average - we have to remember that Gomez had an ACL and broken leg for us so 2 big impact injuries that took a lot of recovery time. His availability has been pretty good the last two seasons - the worry with him is we are expecting him to play more than before. Matip is always muscle injuries so his ability to be relied on is a problem - no way he plays twice a week and that is the cycle we are in now
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Old 19-10-20, 06:22 PM   #92
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One thing we have is an amazing togetherness as a squad, hopefully what’s happened to Virgil this weekend gone will spur the rest of them on to push the rest of this season in the league and Europe.
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Old 19-10-20, 06:27 PM   #93
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I'd nearly make fabinho my first choice defender in absense of Virgil and let the other two rotate to partner him.

I'd also push a big contract in front of Gini now too. He is too important now to have running down his contract.
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Old 19-10-20, 06:35 PM   #94
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I'd nearly make fabinho my first choice defender in absense of Virgil and let the other two rotate to partner him.

I'd also push a big contract in front of Gini now too. He is too important now to have running down his contract.
No need to give Gini a contract. He's clearly not first choice now. OK he'll play plenty but first choice was the 3 that started at Everton. Got Jones knocking on the door.
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So Gomez and Matip each average 24 games a season, in all competitions.

We have 33 PL games remaining and 6 in the CL, minimum. 78 combined CB starts.

78 minus 48 would still leave 30 games for Fabinho to cover at CB, and obviously he can only cover 1 of them at a time!

Thatís also ignoring that Gomez has already played 6 times and Matip 2.

I hope the youngsters are up to it, otherwise we desperately need someone else in January. Or for Matip and Gomez to suddenly be fit and available over 50% more between them.

I just canít see us doing major business in January with the return of fans not being anywhere in sight.
That is somewhat skewed, because VVD played more or less every game the others could only play one at a time. So there is a chance that when one was on the pitch the other was on the bench (when they weren't injured) the number of games that they were both available for is the more accurate measure.
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Old 19-10-20, 06:42 PM   #96
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You have Upamecano who has a release clause next summer of £36million. Us and Man Utd have been linked with that. I can't see us spending big in January, especially with no fans back yet, and potentially a deal like that in the summer. Unless there's a decent name we could get on loan? I can't think of any. The only freebie we could get is Garay (ex Valencia), but he's returning from a cruciate injury himself.
can't see it myself, if anything Gini, Wilson and Shaq may go in that window.
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Old 19-10-20, 06:48 PM   #97
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No need to give Gini a contract. He's clearly not first choice now. OK he'll play plenty but first choice was the 3 that started at Everton. Got Jones knocking on the door.
Need him focused on the team this season.......as opposed to thinking about his next move
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Gomez and Matip is career average - we have to remember that Gomez had an ACL and broken leg for us so 2 big impact injuries that took a lot of recovery time. His availability has been pretty good the last two seasons - the worry with him is we are expecting him to play more than before. Matip is always muscle injuries so his ability to be relied on is a problem - no way he plays twice a week and that is the cycle we are in now
Itís a been bit more than that with Gomez. Last season his availability was good, but he missed much of 18/19 with his second ankle surgery. In each of the previous 3 seasons there was his first ankle surgery, Achilles tendon issues and the big cruciate ligament injury.

I take your point, heís a different case to Matip. But heís still only really had 1 season where heís really managed the availability and playing time weíll need from him this season. The encouraging thing is that it was last season.
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That is somewhat skewed, because VVD played more or less every game the others could only play one at a time. So there is a chance that when one was on the pitch the other was on the bench (when they weren't injured) the number of games that they were both available for is the more accurate measure.
Yeah I know itís not 100%, itís just an indicator. But there has been significant portions over the last few seasons where only one of the 2 has been available. Matip missed most of last season. Gomez missed half of the one before that. Thereís been other shorter overlaps in the previous seasons too.
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No need to give Gini a contract. He's clearly not first choice now. OK he'll play plenty but first choice was the 3 that started at Everton. Got Jones knocking on the door.
He's played full matches every game bar at the weekend, presumably because he was the only player in our team to play 3 times over the international break, including full games on Sunday and Wednesday.

He'll be back in the first 11 for Ajax.
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No need to give Gini a contract. He's clearly not first choice now. OK he'll play plenty but first choice was the 3 that started at Everton. Got Jones knocking on the door.

We donít only give contracts to first choice players. Also itís not about whoís first choice- heís more than capable of fighting for his place, and looks like he has plenty left to offer over the next few years.
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Old 25-10-20, 10:25 PM   #102
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We are one dodgy offside decision in the derby from being three points clear at the top with our indifferent start.

Despite that, level at the top after 6 games.
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We'll win it be maybe only 5 points this year as opposed to 25 which is fine by me. That's the VVD difference.

Still Champions at the end of the season unless we have some more really bad luck.
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Old 25-10-20, 10:39 PM   #104
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Only one of 'the big 6' in the top 8, Chelsea and Arsenal in 9th and 10th and we've beaten them both already. Had an abomination of a result and robbed of 2 points by VAR. Still very much ours to lose despite VVD injury.
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thank fuck Leicester have Europa; we will win the title come ..... erm May??
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Interesting but these are unusual times. Current games sometimes resemble pre-season friendlies. Donít think weíll see crowds this season, so if we can build and maintain our intensity (even if itís 80% compared to the last two seasons) we have a great chance of winning the PL.
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We're actually in a very good place (VVD notwithstanding).

We have one of the best goalkeepers in world football back between the sticks.

We have three of the best defenders in world football fit and playing well.

We have one of the best midfielders in world football recently joined.

We have two of the best attackers in world football in the top scorers charts.

We have the best manager in world football in charge.

The only contenders as far as goal scoring depth is concerned are Aston Villa, Everton and Spurs (all of which have bought very well in the window).

Everyone else has a main scorer led by a host of one goal wonders. Even Man City's top scorer has 2!

I say bring it the fuck on!
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VVD is a huge loss- feel like any team in football history would miss him.... but I think the 3 of Gomez, Matip and Fabinho are good enough to win the PL- if they can stay fit! The main thing Iím worried about since vvd injury is that now our only 2 recognized center backs are the 2 very injury prone ones...

I think Allison was a bigger loss tbh- I really hope he can stay mostly injury free for the rest of the season.. If he was not injured, I reckon weíd be sitting on 18 points now...
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We're actually in a very good place (VVD notwithstanding).

We have one of the best goalkeepers in world football back between the sticks.

We have three of the best defenders in world football fit and playing well.

We have one of the best midfielders in world football recently joined.

We have two of the best attackers in world football in the top scorers charts.

We have the best manager in world football in charge.

The only contenders as far as goal scoring depth is concerned are Aston Villa, Everton and Spurs (all of which have bought very well in the window).

Everyone else has a main scorer led by a host of one goal wonders. Even Man City's top scorer has 2!

I say bring it the fuck on!

Here here!!

Iím optimistic about the season- I reckon Thiago is gonna be the best player in the league.. we walked the league last season, and then this guy comes in, and he looks another level.. heís played 1.5 games for us and got 2 MOTM awards! On his debut he set a PL record ffs! Just wait til heís fully settled in the team! Canít wait til the BlueMoon brigadeís heads explode once the media start saying that KDB is now the second best midfielder in the league, haha
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