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10-06-12, 02:20 PM
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Paisley
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Lionel Messi
Needs a thread of his own. Feel free to post goals , links, videos etc.
We should be privileged to be witnessing one of the greatest ever and a true footballing god.
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10-06-12, 08:02 PM
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He's no Biscan...
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10-06-12, 08:04 PM
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Joe Allen's love child
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He is the greatest of all time bar none!
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10-06-12, 08:07 PM
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IMO he is currently the best player in the world, past and present. The likes of Pele and Maradonna were great but Messi is in a different class
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10-06-12, 08:48 PM
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No doubt he is the greatest but he needs to win a world cup at some point and play a key role in that win to silence the doubters.
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10-06-12, 08:52 PM
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Donald Buzzworth
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It's impossible to say Messi is better than Pele or Maradona, it is a discussion without a correct 'end off' answer. Diferent generations posed diferent problems. Look at the agricultural defending Pele and Maradona had to endure for one thing, ferocious tackling lke they had in the 60's, 70's and early 80's just doesn't exist now. However they are 3 of the all time greats without question. Zidane as well, a totally incredible player to watch. We are lucky to get to see Messi in an era where football is televised to the level it is. I am sure if SKY had been around in the time of Maradona and Pele, we would have got to see a lot more of them as well.
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10-06-12, 09:02 PM
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 different attitudes to lifestyle and training will also make a difference. Messi is the best of his generation but impossible to really say who is or was the best of all time (if I was forced to pick one though it would be Messi  )
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10-06-12, 09:40 PM
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Prosecco Socialist
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Oh great, this debate again. I'm looking forward to all the new insights coming our way.
 
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. Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match. May the Lord bless this post. |
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10-06-12, 09:42 PM
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Paisley
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I thought we'd all agreed the true test was against Stoke away on a cold, wet Tuesday night. Until we see that we'll never know how good he is.
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10-06-12, 09:43 PM
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Prosecco Socialist
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 Wednesday.Stoke are crap on Tuesdays. (Although tbf fair, Stoke is crap every day of the week.)
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. Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match. May the Lord bless this post. |
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10-06-12, 09:45 PM
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Paisley
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Sorry
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10-06-12, 09:48 PM
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10-06-12, 09:59 PM
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The only way to put it is, Pele was the greatest of his generation, Maradonna was the greatest of his, now Messi is the greatest of this.
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10-06-12, 10:01 PM
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Dressed up as Batman?
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82 goals for club & country this season.
82 goals. 82. 
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10-06-12, 10:11 PM
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Paisley
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10-06-12, 10:14 PM
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Fantastic post. It is IMO indeed a VERY tedious discussion. You can only be the best of your time. There's a top tier and I personally think it's best left at that. Puskas, Di Stefano,Pele,Maradona(my fave FWIW) ,Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Platini,ZZ,Messi etc. Then a 2nd tier. Moore, Muller, Best , Dalglish, Breitner, Matthaus, Ronaldo, Maldini, Henry, Bergkamp etc. Then a 3rd and so on.
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10-06-12, 10:15 PM
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10-06-12, 10:21 PM
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10-06-12, 10:22 PM
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10-06-12, 10:25 PM
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Heretic
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10-06-12, 10:26 PM
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Heretic
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YOU decide...
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10-06-12, 10:32 PM
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The third goal was ridiculous, it seems to bobble a bit before he hits it and it makes no difference.
It might be that video, but is he actually getting quicker? |
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10-06-12, 10:52 PM
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I'd love to see Messi given a pair of old style boots and the old harder leather football and see how he does
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10-06-12, 10:59 PM
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Paisley
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He's unbelievable. Even when you think he's done it all and he's all set for a summer holiday he pops up and scores a hat-trick against Brazil. How many players score hat-tricks against Brazil.
His 3rd goal was simply outstanding |
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11-06-12, 09:28 AM
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Yep, his third goal really was just something else. Total and utter genius.
 On a side note, the Brazilian player Oscar looked more than a touch useful.
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11-06-12, 07:22 PM
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Bite my shiny metal ass!
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11-06-12, 07:47 PM
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Paisley
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The Pele/Maradonna debate has now become the Pele/Maradonna/Messi debate. Says it all really.
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11-06-12, 08:07 PM
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11-06-12, 08:38 PM
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. Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match. May the Lord bless this post. |
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12-06-12, 10:30 PM
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Donald Buzzworth
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Definitely. People get way too hung up on this 'best player ever' tag. Its totally subjective. Hard to argue with your top tier and to be in that top tier is all a player can strive for. Players like Zidane and Platini are often over looked in these polls which tend to focus n guys who bagged loads of goals. Messi is easily the best player on the planet just now, and his name sits comfortably in the company you have placed him.
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12-06-12, 10:36 PM
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Prosecco Socialist
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Messi has been placed in a company by wavydavy?
 Nicey's going to want to know why some ballbag is muscling in on his exec recruitment patch.
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. Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match. May the Lord bless this post. |
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12-06-12, 10:36 PM
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I won't try to claim he was the best player of all time but my favourite was Zidane. I loved watching him play. The way he could use his close control to make space for himself was just incredible.
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12-06-12, 11:15 PM
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12-06-12, 11:16 PM
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Donald Buzzworth
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Zidane is one of the most amazing players I've ever seen.
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12-06-12, 11:20 PM
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Prosecco Socialist
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He's the most amazing player I've ever seen live.
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. Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match. May the Lord bless this post. |
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12-06-12, 11:21 PM
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That's live rhyming with five, not live rhyming with give.
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. Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match. May the Lord bless this post. |
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12-06-12, 11:22 PM
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All that said I agree it's pointless comparing player across different generations.
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12-06-12, 11:28 PM
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Heretic
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Best players I have ever seen actually at a match
Rivaldo Ronaldinho Messi (he was only 19 when I saw him play, he was amazing, but nowhere near what he is now) Gerrard |
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Donald Buzzworth
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 So who is the most amazing player you have ever seen dead ?Zombie footy ftw 
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