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Old 24-09-19, 08:41 PM   #4961
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You can see why city have won this 4 of last 6 years. Look at their front 4 tonight. Thats the advantage of a bigger squad.

We have to rest our front 3, just there are no direct replacements for them.
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Old 25-09-19, 07:15 AM   #4962
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If Mendy was caucasian and the baby logo Silva used was also caucasian would people be making a big deal out of this?
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Old 25-09-19, 07:56 AM   #4963
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Old 25-09-19, 08:00 AM   #4964
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If Mendy was caucasian and the baby logo Silva used was also caucasian would people be making a big deal out of this?
Of course not.


Because it wouldn't have been a case of racial stereotyping of a minority group by a member of the majority ethnic group.

It would have been the same if he'd compared an Asian player to say Apu from The Simpsons, or an Asian player to an Asian carton character.

But it would not have been the same if another black person had compared Mendy to the character (how likely do you think that might be?).

It wasn't malicious. It wasn't Suarez vs Evra. It wasn't Beardsley on the training ground. Nor anywhere near the scale of black players are getting in Italy right now.

But it stopped being a private joke the minute he posted it on social media, which in turn helps to normalise this kinda thing.
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Old 25-09-19, 08:20 AM   #4965
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Seem to remember a wave of social media twats getting offended by that product's image a few years ago, chocolate coated peanuts IIRC, until it was pointed out that the white chocolate version features a white version of the same figure.
Fully expect the same backlash/post deletes etc etc
This twitter thread might tell you why the image is actually offensive.

Read it and see if a backlash is justified.




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Old 25-09-19, 08:52 AM   #4966
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That confuses me. Isnt an african tribesman an actual thing though? Thats how they were, and in some areas still are, before they started getting westernized. Why is this seen as a negative? The Australian aboriginals for example prefer being shown in a similar way with body paint etc.
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Old 25-09-19, 08:59 AM   #4967
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Old 25-09-19, 09:07 AM   #4968
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That confuses me. Isnt an african tribesman an actual thing though? Thats how they were, and in some areas still are, before they started getting westernized. Why is this seen as a negative? The Australian aboriginals for example prefer being shown in a similar way with body paint etc.
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Old 25-09-19, 11:53 AM   #4969
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I think you're taking my question the wrong way.
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Old 25-09-19, 12:26 PM   #4970
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I'd be quite interested to hear Sterling's take on this, as someone who has been quite outspoken on the issue of racism within football. If he condemns it, he risks alienating teammates, but if he glosses over it then he could be accused of hypocrisy.

Which is probably why I haven't noticed anything from him, to be fair. Catch 22 and all that.
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Old 25-09-19, 12:44 PM   #4971
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I think you're taking my question the wrong way.
Think about it though!

The snacks arent actually made by small Africans from Congo, who decided to come up with a cute name and brand to sell their chocolatey snacks in Spain.

The packaging product and design all come from Spain. They have designed a small chocolate snack and linked it to a small Congolese tribesman in name and design.

It’s definitely racist.

The fact that Mendy took no issue isn’t even really the point, of anything it almost makes it worse. As soon as the joke went public it became public.
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Old 25-09-19, 12:54 PM   #4972
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Oh yes, I understand and see the logic in that. I probably should have been more specific as I was wondering about the actual look of the tribesman, not actually the chocolate itself. But yes, ignore my poorly executed question since your reply does answer some of it.
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Old 25-09-19, 01:01 PM   #4973
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Oh yes, I understand and see the logic in that. I probably should have been more specific as I was wondering about the actual look of the tribesman, not actually the chocolate itself. But yes, ignore my poorly executed question since your reply does answer some of it.
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Old 25-09-19, 01:52 PM   #4974
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Who the f*ck does Bernardo Silva think he is??

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Old 25-09-19, 01:57 PM   #4975
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I think you're taking my question the wrong way.
I didn't know the history either till I saw that tweet thread

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Old 25-09-19, 02:00 PM   #4976
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Deulofeu completed 13 passes against City, 8 of them were from kick offs
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Old 25-09-19, 02:09 PM   #4977
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Remember an almost identical heat map for Roberto Soldado after we beat Spurs 5-0 at their place.

Except I don't think he had nearly as many touches in the other areas of the pitch.
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Old 30-09-19, 01:37 PM   #4978
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Anyone read over the weekend that Giovanni van Bronckhorst is being lined up to replace him….?


Pep Guardiola says he does not know why Manchester City fans appear to favour the Premier League over the Champions League.

Asked why the competitions are not enjoyed equally, like at Liverpool or Manchester United, he said: "That is reality of our club.

"We have to seduce them so they realise how important.

"For the older generation they were not there.

"In Liverpool and United they used to be there for decades. It is in the culture of the club. We are making steps."

Pep Guardiola's comments about Manchester City and the Champions League are underlined by the knowledge that tomorrow's game against Dynamo Zagreb at the Etihad Stadium is not sold out even though ticket prices for adult non-members start at £20.

Just bizarre how they don't seem to care about it - at least until after the group stages...
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Old 30-09-19, 02:08 PM   #4979
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Anyone read over the weekend that Giovanni van Bronckhorst is being lined up to replace him….?


Pep Guardiola says he does not know why Manchester City fans appear to favour the Premier League over the Champions League.

Asked why the competitions are not enjoyed equally, like at Liverpool or Manchester United, he said: "That is reality of our club.

"We have to seduce them so they realise how important.

"For the older generation they were not there.

"In Liverpool and United they used to be there for decades. It is in the culture of the club. We are making steps."

Pep Guardiola's comments about Manchester City and the Champions League are underlined by the knowledge that tomorrow's game against Dynamo Zagreb at the Etihad Stadium is not sold out even though ticket prices for adult non-members start at £20.

Just bizarre how they don't seem to care about it - at least until after the group stages
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Of course they care. They are like a kid losing at Sports Day, "I don't care, sure I wasn't even trying".

Go back and watch a replay of that Sterling disallowed goal and tell me they don't care. (and post it on here as it was hilarious ).
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Old 30-09-19, 02:16 PM   #4980
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Love it how Pep is calling them a nothing small club without using the actual words. Entice the fans...
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Old 30-09-19, 08:25 PM   #4981
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Given I don't live in Manchester but I can only think of 3 City fans that I know, they range in age from 47 to 76.

I can't even ever recall chatting casually to someone about football and finding out they're fans of the club.
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Old 01-10-19, 09:19 PM   #4982
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Rumours he had a set back and out for the season

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Old 01-10-19, 09:29 PM   #4983
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Rumours he had a set back and pit for the season
just got a cold apparently
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Old 01-10-19, 10:29 PM   #4984
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Old 02-10-19, 01:05 AM   #4985
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Doesn't seem to be affecting them much though.
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Old 02-10-19, 04:41 AM   #4986
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John Barnes as always speak so much sense on this matter.
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Old 02-10-19, 07:01 AM   #4987
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I completely agree with the TalkSport presenters in term of the Silva/Mendy thing tbh.

It's NOT a cartoon based purely on a likeness of Mendy, so that line of argument is totally irrelevant. It's a generic black cartoon character reinforcing well worn tropes that have been had the effect of de-individualising/de-humanising black people. There's a different and interesting conversation to be had about caricature etc but that is not what this is about.

The "why are big lips offensive" line doesn't hold either. It's the reductive nature of such depictions and their use that is offensive, not the specifics of the features they depict.
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Old 02-10-19, 07:55 AM   #4988
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John Barnes: Why Bernardo Silva's tweet about Benjamin Mendy is not racist - YouTube


John Barnes as always speak so much sense on this matter.
An alternative view.

https://theathletic.com/1227429/2019...-educating-him

Barnes says society must be educated, but who is educating him?
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Old 02-10-19, 08:31 AM   #4989
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I completely agree with the TalkSport presenters in term of the Silva/Mendy thing tbh.

It's NOT a cartoon based purely on a likeness of Mendy, so that line of argument is totally irrelevant. It's a generic black cartoon character reinforcing well worn tropes that have been had the effect of de-individualising/de-humanising black people. There's a different and interesting conversation to be had about caricature etc but that is not what this is about.

The "why are big lips offensive" line doesn't hold either. It's the reductive nature of such depictions and their use that is offensive, not the specifics of the features they depict.
Yep. Barnes has twisted himself right up there. Completely wrong.

And no disrespect meant to Nicey when I say the words "John", "Barnes" and "always speaks so much sense on racism" are rarely seen apart these days - it's become a cliché.
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Old 02-10-19, 11:24 AM   #4992
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They're absolutely obsessed with us on Bluemoon. A Liverpool match thread will create 50 pages. Never seen anything like it.
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Old 02-10-19, 11:36 AM   #4993
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They're absolutely obsessed with us on Bluemoon. A Liverpool match thread will create 50 pages. Never seen anything like it.
What's the prevailing viewpoint?
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Old 02-10-19, 11:40 AM   #4994
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Fear probably. I didnt care much for City until they became our direct rivals.
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I thought it was common knowledge? They absolutely despise us. Pretty much started when we knocked them out in the CL. The hate is on another level than any other team by a mile. They have become incredibly bitter and believe that the FA and UEFA are conspiring against them whilst giving us a leg up to win the league. There is absolutely no admittance to anything good we ever do and it's all based on luck and conspiracies. There might be one complimentary post lost in the hundreds of pages but you'd be lucky to find it.

It's actually quite an unhealthy obsession.

So the Silva thing has now become a conspiracy for FA to ban him against Liverpool
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Old 02-10-19, 11:58 AM   #4996
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I thought it was common knowledge? They absolutely despise us. Pretty much started when we knocked them out in the CL. The hate is on another level than any other team by a mile. They have become incredibly bitter and believe that the FA and UEFA are conspiring against them whilst giving us a leg up to win the league. There is absolutely no admittance to anything good we ever do and it's all based on luck and conspiracies. There might be one complimentary post lost in the hundreds of pages but you'd be lucky to find it.

It's actually quite an unhealthy obsession.

So the Silva thing has now become a conspiracy for FA to ban him against Liverpool
You're absolutely spot on

The $ity fans in the office spent more time ranting how lucky we were against Sheff Utd than talking about themselves beating Everton... shit keeper etc etc

And VAR is all part of a conspiracy out to get them & has cost them points already...
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I thought it was common knowledge? They absolutely despise us. Pretty much started when we knocked them out in the CL. The hate is on another level than any other team by a mile. They have become incredibly bitter and believe that the FA and UEFA are conspiring against them whilst giving us a leg up to win the league. There is absolutely no admittance to anything good we ever do and it's all based on luck and conspiracies. There might be one complimentary post lost in the hundreds of pages but you'd be lucky to find it.

It's actually quite an unhealthy obsession.

So the Silva thing has now become a conspiracy for FA to ban him against Liverpool
In short a £ity forum full of Chris clones
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Too many Chris' spoil the forum and all that...
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They're absolutely obsessed with us on Bluemoon. A Liverpool match thread will create 50 pages. Never seen anything like it.
Their thread on the Liverpool "hacking" scandal is a riveting read. If you ever need an example of how one persons "what-if" post can become factual and the basis of many diatribes against Liverpool, there are examples galore in that one thread.
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