Manchester City - Page 117

Exiled_red · 05-06-19, 11:35 PM

This all stinks of City trying to apply pressure or get something sorted out, away from public view (i.e. before UEFA have made and announced a decision that they would find it difficult to go back on). It feels like there is something (else) dodgy going on here, I just hope UEFA don't fall for it.

foresterbloke · 06-06-19, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by McDermotX

I dunno.......claim any punishment, such as a ban, could not only potentially cause loss of earnings for the club, associated organisations, sponsors, but also directly impact the players' worth, livelihood and potential earnings in the future etc

That's the kind of shit that could be twisted about and taken into account.
All because they (more than likely) essentially violated the rules set by a private sporting group for their private sporting competition.

Fuck em out for good if you ask me, and then the FA should be obligated to review City's parameters for meeting their own guidelines.

Then players are free to sue the club for putting them in this position.

UEFA set and enforce the rules, it's up to clubs to follow them.

McDermotX · 06-06-19, 03:01 AM

Wouldn't put it past City to argue that......again, playing the poor mouth.

Anything to make it appear that they're just a football club trying to get by in the modern times.

Lecter · 06-06-19, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Exiled_red

I don't understand how CAS can get involved now.

UEFA have the right to set their own rules, and they haven't made a ruling yet, surely they have to make a ruling first the if City don't like it they can appeal to UEFA and then to CAS?

CAS is the Court for Sporting Arbitration

Its essentially the high court of football

The first port of call after any UEFA sanciton is CAS

Lecter · 06-06-19, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by McDermotX

I dunno.......claim any punishment, such as a ban, could not only potentially cause loss of earnings for the club, associated organisations, sponsors, but also directly impact the players' worth, livelihood and potential earnings in the future etc

That's the kind of shit that could be twisted about and taken into account.
All because they (more than likely) essentially violated the rules set by a private sporting group for their private sporting competition.

Fuck em out for good if you ask me, and then the FA should be obligated to review City's parameters for meeting their own guidelines.

Not sure this would work, I assume any appeal would have to offer evidence that the investigation was flawed and came to incorrect conclusions

Red_Polo · 06-06-19, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lecter

CAS is the Court for Sporting Arbitration

Its essentially the high court of football

The first port of call after any UEFA sanciton is CAS

CAS can only take on an appeal against a decision made by a governing body once the governing body's own processes have been exhausted.

The first port of call after any UEFA sanction is to appeal to UEFA.

Fivex · 06-06-19, 01:51 PM

Also wasn't there some threat that if you went above UEFA to the CAS, you're effectively disqualifying yourself (as a club) from UEFA registrations/competitions etc?

Tribute · 06-06-19, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by McDermotX

I dunno.......claim any punishment, such as a ban, could not only potentially cause loss of earnings for the club, associated organisations, sponsors, but also directly impact the players' worth, livelihood and potential earnings in the future etc

That's the kind of shit that could be twisted about and taken into account.
All because they (more than likely) essentially violated the rules set by a private sporting group for their private sporting competition.

Fuck em out for good if you ask me, and then the FA should be obligated to review City's parameters for meeting their own guidelines.

Now I'm no legal eagle... but having watched enough of these court room dramas, US dramas, A Few Good Men, etc...

a good lawyer will just take the exact opposite stance to what they're taking...

i.e. if they are claiming they would 100% be penalised by the enforcement of a European ban, loss of earnings, player values, etc... then surely they are saying that they are currently deliberately and falsely benefiting from much higher revenues, higher player wages, more attractive club status, inflated player values due to breaching the rules and becoming more appealing and successful as a result...

I rest my case.

Buzzo · 06-06-19, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribute

Now I'm no legal eagle... but having watched enough of these court room dramas, US dramas, A Few Good Men, etc...

a good lawyer will just take the exact opposite stance to what they're taking...

i.e. if they are claiming they would 100% be penalised by the enforcement of a European ban, loss of earnings, player values, etc... then surely they are saying that they are currently deliberately and falsely benefiting from much higher revenues, higher player wages, more attractive club status, inflated player values due to breaching the rules and becoming more appealing and successful as a result...

I rest my case.

You cant handle the truth.

foresterbloke · 06-06-19, 02:34 PM

Dun-dun

Charly · 06-06-19, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fivex

Also wasn't there some threat that if you went above UEFA to the CAS, you're effectively disqualifying yourself (as a club) from UEFA registrations/competitions etc?

I thought if an appeal to the CAS fails, then Uefa have the right to increase any punishment.

Fact is City are a nothing team with no support and a shallow global profile. They are no Madrid... No PSG... No Bayern... not even the biggest team in Manchester.

Who would really miss them from Europe?

The only likely support they will have is from other sides who have done the dirty on ffp.

baitman · 06-06-19, 05:37 PM

As its basically uefas game (euro footy) and they set the rules then if city dont comply they are in no position the go whinging elsewhere, petulant cunts.

Irishnev · 06-06-19, 06:54 PM

Buy all the full backs.....

Saveloy · 06-06-19, 07:17 PM

That sounds quite cheap in the current inflated market.

Norbs · 06-06-19, 07:23 PM

Struggling to name a player City have sold

Fuzzy · 06-06-19, 07:24 PM

Iheanacho and some Spanish youngster

Norbs · 06-06-19, 07:26 PM

And Robinho

Exiled_red · 06-06-19, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Red_Polo

CAS can only take on an appeal against a decision made by a governing body once the governing body's own processes have been exhausted.

The first port of call after any UEFA sanction is to appeal to UEFA.

This was my thinking as well hence the post, the decision hasn't been made never mind going through the UEFA appeals process.

McDermotX · 06-06-19, 08:05 PM

CAS' repsonse -

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Cas said in a statement: "The appeal is filed against decisions taken by the Investigatory Chamber of the Uefa Club Financial Control Body regarding [the club's] alleged non-compliance with Uefa's Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations.

"An arbitration procedure will now be initiated and will involve an exchange of written submissions between the parties while a panel of Cas arbitrators is convened to hear the appeal."

baitman · 06-06-19, 09:26 PM

This will be a right stitch up with the owners a paying off the leaches.

How can there be an investigation and arbitration before uefa have even held their own investigation. Smells like shit.

Exiled_red · 06-06-19, 09:55 PM

As I said before it makes no sense for an appeal to be going on when the decision hasn't been announced, it seems like there is something dodgy going on whereby they can agree something behind the scenes before anything is announced.

Lecter · 07-06-19, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Fivex

Also wasn't there some threat that if you went above UEFA to the CAS, you're effectively disqualifying yourself (as a club) from UEFA registrations/competitions etc?

No its if you take it to a court other than CAS you disqualify yourself

Fivex · 07-06-19, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Lecter

No its if you take it to a court other than CAS you disqualify yourself

Ahaaa, thanks

dom9 · 07-06-19, 03:59 PM

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Oh I don't know.

spud_gun · 07-06-19, 04:16 PM

Are Citeh appealing before being found guilty?

dom9 · 07-06-19, 04:21 PM

Yes. They are appealing the charge.

Norbs · 07-06-19, 04:24 PM

But it's safe to say that if they were innocent they wouldn't see fit to appeal the charge. Fry them!

Shaggy · 07-06-19, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Norbs

Struggling to name a player City have sold

Michel Vonk to Oldham Athletic for £350,000.

Norbs · 07-06-19, 05:17 PM

I knew there must've been one at some point

Nicey · 12-06-19, 04:25 PM

The recommendations of the investigation is Banned from the CL for 1 season apparently soon the be made official

Chris · 12-06-19, 04:28 PM

Disgusting if true, absolute waste of time. 5 years should be the starting point.

Skenderbeu got a 10 year ban for fixing.

Charly · 12-06-19, 05:24 PM

How would that affect their ffp without CL income?

It about 100 million, isnt it? A fith of their overall revenue.

Be interesting to see what they do next. City seem to be in denial at the moment.

Be nice when they realise they have to start flogging their most expensive stars.

Be even nicer if this happened for next season.

labourRed · 12-06-19, 05:28 PM

If true that sabbatical Guardiola talked about having makes a lot of sense.

Bender · 12-06-19, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by labourRed

If true that sabbatical Guardiola talked about having makes a lot of sense.

He said it’s not true

Norbs · 12-06-19, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Charly

How would that affect their ffp without CL income?

It about 100 million, isnt it? A fith of their overall revenue.

Be interesting to see what they do next. City seem to be in denial at the moment.

Be nice when they realise they have to start flogging their most expensive stars.

Be even nicer if this happened for next season.

I didn't think teams outside of European competition were subject to FFP

Sus · 12-06-19, 11:11 PM

That’s right but they would still need to meet the Ffp obligations in 20-21, when they come back into the competition. So without this £50-75m, it will be harder for them to comply with ffp

Nicey · 13-06-19, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Disgusting if true, absolute waste of time. 5 years should be the starting point.

Skenderbeu got a 10-year ban for fixing.

Match-fixing and not balancing the books to be fair are two very different things. I will take a 1-year ban with a 5-year ban suspended for 3 years if there are any more illegalities

Norbs · 13-06-19, 05:17 AM

It wouldn't tarnish their reputation though as there's no reputation to tarnish. The vile bastards would just pick up again where they left off.

One year is nothing

Nicey · 13-06-19, 05:54 AM

I mean the bigger issue is not City but Football as a whole. Anybody who follows the game outside of their own club knows there is a ridiculous amount of corruption in the game with very little oversight.

The entire sport needs an overhaul and one thing Liverpool fans have been very good at over the years is pushing their agenda. FFP effects us I would argue the most. We did everything right or mostly everything right. We got the smartest people, ran a great plan and executed it perfectly. But all of that amounts to a hill of beans if some Oil-rich Saudi can just fart a billion dollars and effectively throw endless money at it. The sport will be ruined. At least United made their endless supply of money.

I want City nailed just for the sake of the sport, not for our own benefit.

foresterbloke · 13-06-19, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicey

I mean the bigger issue is not City but Football as a whole. Anybody who follows the game outside of their own club knows there is a ridiculous amount of corruption in the game with very little oversight.

The entire sport needs an overhaul and one thing Liverpool fans have been very good at over the years is pushing their agenda. FFP effects us I would argue the most. We did everything right or mostly everything right. We got the smartest people, ran a great plan and executed it perfectly. But all of that amounts to a hill of beans if some Oil-rich Saudi can just fart a billion dollars and effectively throw endless money at it. The sport will be ruined. At least United made their endless supply of money.

I want City nailed just for the sake of the sport, not for our own benefit.

And PSG.