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Dalglish interview with Shearer in Athletic...

I worked under some brilliant managers during my playing days, but Sir Kenny Dalglish had the biggest influence on me. When I joined Blackburn Rovers in 1992, I’d already played more than 100 games for Southampton, but I was still new to the game and Kenny had achieved so much, both as a player and in the dugout. I knew that working with him was only going to take me one way. It did. He was magnificent.

What a life and career Kenny has had. By common consent, he’s the greatest player in Liverpool’s history, a statement that cries out for a bit of context. There were six league titles at Anfield, three European Cups and plenty of other trophies, but he was also a genius; his goal record, his ability, his left foot, his right, his balance, all of it. He is an icon at Celtic and a Scotland legend, too, capped 102 times by his country.

I was born and brought up a Newcastle United fan, but Liverpool were the dominant force when I was a kid. For reasons lost in time, my uncle took me down to watch them play in 1980, when two goals from David Fairclough won an FA Cup tie against Bury. It was some team: Kenny, Alan Hansen, Graeme Souness, Ray Clemence, Phil Thompson, Terry McDermott. We stood on the Kop and you could feel its power. Kenny was the force’s force.

Our paths first crossed when we met at the Haydock Thistle Hotel to talk about me signing for Blackburn. By then, he’d added three more titles, two FA Cups and a League Cup to his collection, this time as Liverpool’s manager. He’d led the club through the trauma of the Hillsborough disaster with extraordinary dignity. I knew we’d have a good chance of winning something because of his know-how, but it was also the man he was, the plan the club had.

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Dalglish celebrates Liverpool’s league and cup double in 1986 (Photo: Liverpool FC via Getty Images)
Kenny’s man-management was fantastic. When you’ve done what he’s done, there was automatic respect. Players sat up and listened. At the same time, he was (and still is), one of the biggest piss-takers you could ever meet. That might surprise some people, but he’s just a nice bloke with it; he would offer advice and refer back to his experience, but he would never throw it in your face. He had an aura, but he was personable, too.

As a fellow forward, his advice was golden, little tips about where to move, where to run, how to back into defenders; there was nobody better at that skill than him. He was so adept at using his body, twisting, turning, getting a shot away. Once, he said to me, “Instead of making contact with the defender when the ball is coming to you, why not look at where his shadow is?” I still don’t know whether that was another piss-take. What happens if it’s not sunny?

It is 25 years since little old Blackburn won the title, an astonishing achievement for a club and town that size. Afterwards, Kenny stepped away, I moved home to Newcastle and we linked up again at St James’ Park, albeit with less glory. Kenny — until a few years ago, I was still calling him “boss” — had a brief spell at Celtic and an Indian summer with Liverpool, where he claimed another League Cup, their first trophy for six years.

Kenny is a non-executive director at Anfield and part of the fabric of a club who named a stand after him in 2017. Earlier this year, he handed the Premier League trophy to Liverpool’s players, the last manager to win the league present 30 years later, when their long drought ended (they should try supporting Newcastle). In my first outing for The Athletic, I wanted to talk to him about that, Blackburn and all the rest. There could be no better subject.

Shearer: That trophy presentation must have been very special for you.

Dalglish: Just to be asked was very humbling. To go back and shake hands with them and say “well done”… I don’t think I was supposed to shake hands, by the way, but I didn’t know what else to do! To see their faces at that moment… their attitude and commitment mean that they’re more than capable of doing it again. I know they got battered at Aston Villa, but it’s how you react to things like that which will be important. They’ll react.

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Shearer: It’s five years since Jurgen Klopp came to Anfield. How has he turned Liverpool into title winners and how deep is his relationship with the fans?

Dalglish: I remember the day Jurgen came in. I’d driven up to Glasgow, the press were there and they asked me what I thought. I just said, “Fasten your seatbelts, here we go. We’re off and running.” I’d heard stories from Germany about how he operated and what he did.

One of the most impressive things is the relationship he has with the people who work for the club. And I don’t just mean the players. He has huge respect for everybody, he has a humility that he shows to them and an appreciation for them. It just pulls everybody together. There are comparisons with what Jurgen has done and what Blackburn did, in the sense that everyone was travelling in one direction. We built it up every year and he’s done the same.

They’ve gone from finishing a point behind Manchester City to being miles in front. He’ll continue to build it. As well as his knowledge and his ability to get the best out of footballers, he gets the best out of people full stop. It’s because he has respect for them. In terms of the fans, I think most Liverpool managers have enjoyed a good relationship with them. They’ll always give you the benefit of the doubt.

Shearer: Jurgen comes across as a very appealing character and his team are brilliant, obviously. What is he like in person? Does he draw on the traditions of Liverpool’s history?

Dalglish: Everything the club stands for is the reason he’s there. He’s benefitting from all that. Every single person connected to Liverpool Football Club should be eternally grateful to Shanks (Bill Shankly), the guy who set it up in the first place. Jurgen has bought into the history. He’s very approachable, he’s amiable, you can have a cup of tea and a conversation with him. He’s humble but very, very determined and knowledgeable. He has his own way of doing things, but when you win, it’s always the right way.

What he’s doing is 100 per cent correct because it’s what he knows best and it’s what the club stands for — the city of Liverpool. Jurgen feels the importance of it. He wants the fans to celebrate and enjoy success every bit as much as the players and his backroom staff do.

Shearer: Speaking of anniversaries, Fenway Sports Group took over at Liverpool 10 years ago. How has the club changed in that time?

Dalglish: They’ve been fantastically supportive of every manager. Roy Hodgson was there when they arrived, he left and they asked me to go back for a wee while to babysit. They looked after me really well. If you wanted a player and they had money, you’d get him. It’s been the same for everybody, right up to Jurgen. If they don’t have the money, you wouldn’t want it, because you don’t want to put them in trouble.

The new training ground that’s going up — brilliant. The development of Anfield — the same. One of the best decisions they made was not building a new stadium at Stanley Park. It’s a godsend because you’ve still got the history and the tradition of Anfield and what it stands for. You go to a match and you can’t help but feel all that. They’ve really bought into the way things work at Liverpool. Although they might not attend too many games, there is support for everybody at the club. They’ve taken fantastic strides forward.

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Shearer: What’s next for Liverpool?

Dalglish: It’s to continue what Jurgen has done last year, isn’t it? It’s to take it forward. How can you go and beat being Premier League, Champions League and Club World Cup champions? You can’t. But you can repeat it if you want, so have a go at repeating it. That’s the challenge everybody has, the players and the manager. And it’s not beyond them. If it was good last year, it’ll be even better the next time.

Shearer: Any regrets about your second time as Liverpool manager? Would you have changed the Luis Suarez episode?

Dalglish: I certainly wouldn’t say everything we did was perfect, but that doesn’t just apply to contentious situations, it’s the same when you’re successful. If you start to think you’re always right, you’ll get yourself in trouble. Hindsight is a great thing. I’ve been lucky. It’s some trip I’ve been on, from a wee boy who left school at 15 — some say I outstayed my welcome — and went on to play football, which was always my ambition. And I played for the two most successful clubs in Britain at the time. I’m not saying it was down to me, by the way. I was lucky to be brought up through Celtic and developed at Liverpool. Then I managed some iconic clubs. Newcastle was the most disappointing one for me, but it didn’t take away the enjoyment I got up there and I still have a soft spot for them. Blackburn was an absolute fairytale and Liverpool was just beyond any of my expectations and wildest dreams. So I’ve not done too badly.

Shearer: You call what happened at Blackburn a fairytale. Try and put that in perspective if you can. You started in what is now the Championship and finished as Premier League champions four years later.

Dalglish: I didn’t know Jack Walker, the Blackburn owner. Out of the blue, I got a call asking if I would be interested in speaking to them and, out of courtesy, I said I would. I had a chat with people I knew and asked them to get the forensic equipment out and have a look at whether Jack had the money he said he did. You need money if you’re going to have a go. I met the Blackburn people.

I didn’t know much about the club but I knew Tony Parkes did and I wanted him to stay; he’d been the interim manager and done well. We brought in Ray Harford as coach. I’d met him at a golf function, strangely enough, and we’d got on. His thoughts on football echoed mine. So Blackburn paid Liverpool some compensation because I was still under contract to them and away we went. Coaching and putting on sessions wasn’t one of my strengths, so I needed somebody really good at that. Ray was fantastic. Without him and Tony, it wouldn’t have happened.

Shearer: What was the secret?

Dalglish: People used to ask me that question about Liverpool, when we were playing in the 80s and winning most things. And I used to say, “Well, if we have a secret, we’re not going to tell you! But what we do have are people in every single position at the club — whether it’s upstairs, coaching, managing, playing — who are good at their jobs”. You’ve got enough battles to fight on the pitch without getting into battles off it. So for me, there was no secret. It was just hard work, good people, determination and a bit of luck.

Shearer: But Liverpool were a well-established, oiled machine and used to success. Look at Blackburn’s size.

Dalglish: Yeah, but you’re not taking on the history and tradition, are you? You’re playing against 11 players. The support we got from Jack helped us bring in players who were capable of competing, but you couldn’t compete against Liverpool or Manchester United financially, in terms of the fans they got, the commercial value. There were a lot of things we didn’t have. The greatest thing we did have, I think, was the camaraderie.

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Shearer and Walker after Blackburn won the league title (Photo: John Giles – PA Images/PA Images via Getty Images)
Shearer: We didn’t have any facilities to begin with. I was a British-record signing when I arrived, I was used to playing at a lovely training ground at Southampton. At Blackburn, I remember chucking my kit on the floor after my first training session and having it chucked back at me! For the first 12 months, we had to take our dirty kit home and wash it ourselves. We didn’t have a training ground, so we’d meet at Ewood Park every morning not knowing where we’d be training. Then we’d pile into our own cars and set off.

Dalglish: At the start, Tony would say to me, “Do you want a sand-based pitch or a grass pitch?” It was public parks, so if you were on a grass pitch, it was a wee bit more expensive than the sand. I said, “For God’s sake Tony, get us on the grass”.

Shearer: A lot of the time, we were training in a park attached to a funeral parlour. The funeral corteges would drive through the middle of training, so had to stop our sessions and wait for them to go past. Players would do a sliding tackle and end up with dog shit all over them. That was what it was like.

Dalglish: We turned all that into a strength. When the new stand was being built at Ewood, you’d get changed in Portakabins behind the goal, but the laughs and jokes people used to pull in there… I always say that if you’re going to be successful, you need a strong dressing room. You don’t all need to be going out with each for dinner or a pint, but you need to be close so that when it matters on the pitch, you come together. You were a great example to everybody, Alan. You were a record signing, but you got involved in everything. Everyone felt comfortable with you because of your attitude, the way you were. That helped them produce.

Shearer: In consecutive seasons at Blackburn, I scored 31, 34 and 31 league goals. It was the best sequence of my career.

Dalglish: It didn’t matter who you played for, you always battered them in. I’m just taking a punt at this, but I’m sure your happiest days would have been at Newcastle, simply because it was your boyhood club. But Blackburn were set up to make sure you got goals. There’s no point bringing in you and Chris Sutton, who was decent in the air, and not feeding you. We fed you. The great thing is that every time you scored a goal, you shared it with everybody. That was the atmosphere within the club. We might not have had the best players. We didn’t have the best of anything, except camaraderie.

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Shearer: If people describe Leicester City winning the Premier League as a miracle, shouldn’t Blackburn be the same?

Dalglish: Leicester wasn’t a miracle. They deserved it. We were the same — on a level playing field, we got more points than anybody else. I don’t believe in miracles. The players had worked so hard. It didn’t just happen in one game or one year. It was a culmination of things. The solidity, the uniformity within the club was fantastic, even before I got there. Jack was a godsend. But one thing is funny and you’ll notice this after I say it. When you watch Sky Sports and they talk about Premier League winners, look at how seldom Blackburn get a mention. They say Blackburn was all about the money, but that’s not true. It was done with the help of money. You name me a team that’s won anything and not bought players. Nobody. It’s impossible.

Shearer: You went head-to-head with Sir Alex Ferguson over the years. You were fierce rivals, but he was also there when they named your stand at Anfield. What was your relationship like back then and how much has it changed?

Dalglish: We were both brought up in Glasgow. My father-in-law actually taught Fergie the licensed trade. Up in Scotland, it was kind of a given that if you had a career in football you would buy a pub and Fergie was buying one near Ibrox. So, Marina, my wife, knew Fergie and I knew him because he’d been coaching with Scotland under Jock Stein and took the reins when Jock died. Yeah, we became rivals, but if we were in a room together, we’d have a conversation. There were plenty of laughs and stories. There was never an issue between us. But when it came to a competition, he was always going to do the best for his team and I would do the same; he would have been disappointed if I hadn’t tried to win. What’s the point if you’re not going to compete, if you don’t go head-to-head?

So you get involved in arguments, of course you do, but you get involved in arguments with your wife, don’t you? The only difference is that sometimes I’d win the argument with Fergie! And back in those days, if another club won something, you’d always send the manager a letter of congratulations: “Well done, brilliant”. It would be hard to write, but you had to do it because it was respectful. He sent me a nice letter when Blackburn won the league.

Shearer: You became director of football straight after that with Ray taking over as manager. Did you feel you’d taken the club as far as you could?

Dalglish: I just got a wee bit fed up. Maybe I’d run out of gas. I didn’t want to walk away, I wanted to help Ray like he had helped me. At the same time, it was probably difficult for the players, because he was now the boss and had to dictate things. And I think it might have been a bit uncomfortable for him; not consciously, but me being there probably didn’t help. With hindsight, maybe we shouldn’t have done that. The last thing I wanted to do was undermine what Ray was trying to achieve.

Shearer: I moved to Newcastle a year later and then you joined us. I couldn’t have been happier. Once Kevin Keegan had decided to leave, I was thinking, “This is going to be a huge success like Blackburn”, but it didn’t work out that way. What’s your take on why?

Dalglish: There aren’t many occasions when you get a job and the team are sitting fourth in the Premier League. For me, it was a great opportunity. The boys loved Kevin, and rightly so. He’d been hugely successful, they’d enjoyed playing football for him and I came in and I was different. Kevin’s philosophy was about letting people play, but I wanted everybody to contribute.

Sometimes some of the players were a wee bit difficult. It’s not the players’ fault, it’s my fault, but sometimes it was difficult for me to understand why a player couldn’t help their team-mate on the pitch. We finished second that season and then qualified for the Champions League proper after a play-off. I loved working at Newcastle, loved working for the board. It was fantastic, but the money just wasn’t there. I’m not using that as an excuse, it’s just a fact. At the same time, Kevin had abolished the reserve team, so there was no pathway for kids to get to the first team and I needed to get that up and running for the benefit of the club — Sir John Hall’s dream was to have a team of 11 Geordie players — as well as bring in first-team players.

John Barnes came in on a free, Ian Rush, Stuart Pearce. That wasn’t Newcastle’s style. In the second year, we finished 13th, but we were in the Champions League and had that memorable night against Barcelona, when we won 3-2, and got to the FA Cup final, but you’d had that terrible ankle ligament injury in pre-season when Les Ferdinand was in the process of moving to Tottenham Hotspur. There was a lot of change.

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Shearer: When I got injured, did you try to persuade Les to stay?

Dalglish: After that game at Goodison Park, I was straight on the phone to Freddy Shepherd, the chairman, saying he had to call the deal off, but there were all sorts of threats about legal action. If we could have kept him, we would have. Les was brilliant. It would have been unfair not to allow him the opportunity to go back to London, but it came back to smack us in the face. We’d have been a better team if we’d kept him.

Shearer: Do you see similarities between Newcastle and Liverpool in terms of the clubs, the people, the love for their teams? Sadly there’s no comparison in terms of trophies! I lived in Formby when I played for Blackburn and I think the people are almost identical. They’re hard-working and they want to have a good time at the weekend watching their clubs.

Dalglish: I feel the same. Newcastle might not have the same worldwide support they do at Liverpool, but when it comes to going along to watch the match, for loyalty, for desire, they’re the equal of any. They just want to see the club do well. I don’t think anybody has got an answer to why it hasn’t. Look at the people who have managed there, the number of trophies they’ve won and the lack of them at Newcastle. It’s something you can’t get your head around.

You can understand the similarities between the places because industry and shipyards have been the backbone of both cities. Those days are over, but that was their lives, working in the yards, working on the water. It’s very similar to Liverpool and they have the same devotion to the clubs they support. The one big difference is that Newcastle only has one team. The first summer we were there, I went to the Metrocentre and said to Marina, “I can’t believe it, there are thousands of people walking about with black and white stripes on. The season doesn’t start for another month!” You love the passion and just wish them success. It’s beyond comprehension that they haven’t had it.

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Dalglish upon being appointed Newcastle manager in 1997 (Photo: Owen Humphreys – PA Images/PA Images via Getty Images)
Shearer: Do you miss anything about management?

Dalglish: It gets you out of the house in the morning! Management is about people, isn’t it? It’s about the people you work with and for. That’s what I miss most of all, the connection with people. What don’t I miss? Press conferences.

Shearer: There’s a surprise!

Dalglish: I’ll give you a bigger surprise than that. Never once did I fail to go to a press conference, whether before a game or after a game. I was always there. The reporters might not have got what they wanted, but I felt I had a responsibility to be protective of the club, the players and even myself. When I left Liverpool for the first time, I got a letter from one of the journalists and it said, “You’re the most honest manager I’ve ever worked with.” I thought, “That’ll do me.”

Shearer: What, if anything, would you change in football today?

Dalglish: I think VAR is getting better. Like everything else, it’s the interpretation that causes the arguments. If they simplified it, that would make it much better for everybody. Nowadays, if you want to know the answer to any question, you look at your phone and get it in seconds. Some people seem to think that’s how success at a football club works. You’ll never get success if that’s what you think. Everything is instantaneous, there’s no patience, no time to wait and see if someone can improve.

And I think players at some clubs are above their station. There’s no club that isn’t bigger than them. And if they’re not prepared to make the sacrifices… if you’ve got a problem, look in the mirror — most of the time you’ll find the answer there. But it’s still a great game to watch. I’m glad it’s back on television even without fans because there would have been a hell of a lot of bad programmes on without it.

Shearer: Would you like to be a player now?

Dalglish: I’d love it, but only if I had the same people in the dressing room as we had then. And, really, I’d rather change that around and let players now have what we had back then. We had the best of it because we were able to enjoy it. We weren’t under scrutiny 24 hours a day. We could relax. People say that players can’t relate to the fan in the street, but they’re not allowed to. Go anywhere and stories come out. When Andy Carroll came to Liverpool, I remember there was a picture in the paper of him having a drink. I said to Andy, “Biggun, what’s this?” He said, “Gaffer, that picture was taken two years ago.” I said, “Well, it must have been a good drink then!” There’s no way in this world I would change what I did.

Shearer: What do you make of what’s happening in Scotland? Why are Celtic and Rangers finding it so tough to get into the Champions League?

Dalglish: Are you getting enjoyment out of that question?

Shearer: Not at all, but that’s why I’ve saved it ’til last!

Dalglish: Celtic and Rangers, in the last couple of years, have done well to get to the group sections of the Europa League. But you can’t kid yourself, the Premier League has just gone so far in advance of anything else. The Premier League is steaming ahead now. It might even be the best in the world. Scotland is just miles and miles behind that. I don’t think they’re underachieving, I just don’t think it’s there.

Shearer: Celtic and Rangers in the Premier League would be amazing, wouldn’t it?

Dalglish: Yeah. And if they were given the same revenue as Premier League clubs, they would be able to compete without any shadow of a doubt. They’d be going for the same players. The fans are on a par with any fans down south. But it’s not going to happen. Why would you vote to bring two new clubs in? Even if they had to start at National League level, there would be teams saying, “Well, that’s less chance of us getting promoted and a better chance of us getting relegated”. All the way through the divisions, that would happen. I don’t think they’d get in, unless there’s another breakaway.

Shearer: I’m sure you keep an eye on Steven Gerrard at Rangers. Do you think Liverpool are doing the same?

Dalglish: He’s done really well since he’s gone to Glasgow. He started with the academy at Liverpool and did a good job there. It was perfect for Steven — and for Liverpool, if they do have any thoughts about bringing him back to Anfield in any first-team capacity — to go to Rangers and see how he did. It was a win-win situation for everybody. There’s no job available and I don’t see it being vacated for many years with Jurgen in charge. But Steven has done a fantastic job and he’s got closer and closer to Celtic as time has gone on. He can be proud of what he’s done up there. I’m sure Liverpool are watching just in case.

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Shearer: How would you like to be remembered?

Dalglish: Whatever anybody feels comfortable with. Do you know what, I wish I could be alive when I’m dead, because people always say nice things about you when you’re dead. It would be nice to be able to read it!

Shearer: But you’ve made a huge number of people happy throughout your career as a player and manager. That must be a great feeling to carry around with you.

Dalglish: I was fortunate. I played and worked at the best places and had people around me who helped. You don’t get success by yourself. If you’re playing, it’s a team game and some people could do things that I couldn’t do, just like I did things they couldn’t. If you all complement each other, you’ve got a decent chance. It’s the same with management. You’re the focal point but that doesn’t mean you’re alone. Everybody chips in. People can remember me if they want to remember me, in whatever way, shape or form they choose. As long as the people I know and trust remember me fondly, I’ll be quite happy with that.

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My father-in-law actually taught Fergie the licensed trade. Up in Scotland, it was kind of a given that if you had a career in football you would buy a pub and Fergie was buying one near Ibrox.
I'd never heard this before but equally I think it's the least surprising thing that I've ever read on here
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His pub was called The Broken Vein
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His pub was called The Broken Vein
Round the corner from The Purple Nose
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where kicking out time was 23:06
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where kicking out time was 23:06
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The Kenny documentary is on SkyDocumentrs now, really enjoyable way to spend a Sunday afternoon
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