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Old 05-09-20, 11:36 AM   #81
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He got tested with the Greek national team, not sure that changes anything though
Why would it? The other Liverpool players continue to be tested at Melwood or with their international teams.
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No idea! Dont know what the protocols are
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Old 05-09-20, 01:00 PM   #83
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Same as during the restart, only players or staff who’ve tested positive have to quarantine.
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Old 05-09-20, 01:17 PM   #84
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Liverpool are hoping to partially reopen Anfield with a capacity of around 12,500 for next month’s Premier League fixture against Sheffield United.

Discussions are ongoing but the visit of Chris Wilder’s side, currently scheduled for October 24, has been pencilled in as the first home game to be played in front of fans since the club’s Champions League exit at the hands of Atletico Madrid on March 11.

The Athletic understands the plan is to use all four stands and implement social distancing measures so Anfield will be operating at around 23 per cent of its usual 54,000 capacity.

Liverpool have held ongoing talks with supporters’ groups since the initial lockdown caused by the COVID-19 pandemic in March and recent fans’ forums have discussed plans to reopen the stadium with club officials taking feedback on board.

Billy Hogan declared that getting fans back into Anfield was his “immediate priority” after officially starting work as the club’s new CEO this week. “There is a lot of work going on to figure out how we do that and most importantly how we do it safely,” he said. “An amazing team of people are working behind the scenes to look at what those challenges present.”

Every home game played behind closed doors costs Liverpool more than £3 million in lost revenue.

The big dilemma is how to go about distributing those 12,500 tickets. Liverpool have around 27,000 season ticket holders and around 11,000 members who have all the relevant credits to be eligible for a seat.

Fans will likely have to opt into a ballot. Tickets cannot be transferred, either, as Liverpool need to know exactly who is inside the ground and exactly where they are sitting to comply with NHS Test and Trace measures.

Liverpool say they are still working on the finer details and will continue to take advice from both the government and the Premier League.

“There’s nothing concrete in terms of proposals at this stage but the dialogue with the club has been very positive,” a source from one of the fans’ groups involved in the discussions with Liverpool told The Athletic. “Some Premier League clubs have just said, ‘This is what we’re doing, end of story’. But to their credit, Liverpool have sought to engage with the fans.

“They’ve been in listening mode and 12,500 is the kind of figure they are talking about. They are having to make big changes to the concourses and the areas outside the ground, which still form part of the club’s footprint.

“The ratio of season ticket holders in the ground should be roughly the same to what it usually is for games. Depending on demand, a season ticket holder could be looking at only being able to attend one in every four matches until the capacity can increase. Not everyone is going to be satisfied but it’s not an easy situation for anyone.

“There could be up to 500 away fans allowed in too but that’s going to come down to a Premier League-wide decision based on government advice on things such as travelling to and from games.”

With the ongoing uncertainty and reluctance to take money up front that could have to be refunded, Liverpool have decided to suspend the season ticket renewal process and their “Auto Cup Scheme”, which allows season ticket holders and members to secure tickets for cup competitions. Instead, they will sell tickets to fans on a match-by-match basis.

No credits will be accrued for future seasons because the club do not want to penalise supporters who, for a variety of reasons, may decide they don’t wish to attend games in the current climate.

Hundreds of Anfield stewards took part in a Zoom call with club officials on Tuesday night to learn more about the reopening.

They were informed that fans will have to wear face masks and the plan is to use the large exit gates rather than turnstiles when it comes to supporters entering the ground to avoid confined spaces. Despite the heavily reduced capacity, Liverpool will still operate with around 670 stewards on match days.
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It’s a tale that says much about the kind of culture Jurgen Klopp has created at Liverpool.

On the night the club’s 30-year wait to be crowned champions came to an end in June and the party was in full swing, captain Jordan Henderson and vice-captain James Milner were overheard speaking to members of the backroom staff about the future.

“Hendo and Millie were already talking about the following season and the need to ensure that everyone showed the same levels of hunger and fight,” a senior Melwood source tells The Athletic.

“When you achieve something so big, there’s always a danger that people will ease off a bit, but they won’t allow anyone to rest on their laurels. They want to ensure we build on this. Everyone does. The message has been clear right from that night all the way through pre-season — the mentality that got us here has to stay the same.”

Winning a title is tough. Retaining one is even more difficult. Only Manchester City two years ago have done it since Manchester United in 2008-09 and Pep Guardiola’s side needed 98 points to hold off Liverpool by a point.

The bookmakers have City as narrow favourites this season. Maybe that’s down to Liverpool’s lack of transfer activity and the fact that their form did dip post-lockdown — they lost two and drew two of those final nine games. But in their defence, the title race had long since been settled by then. The gap was an eye-watering 25 points at one stage before ultimately being trimmed back to a final margin of 18.

Henderson is a big fan of the Netflix documentary series The Last Dance, which charts the 1990s NBA dominance of the Chicago Bulls, who won six titles in eight seasons. A man who has lifted the European Cup, UEFA Super Cup, Club World Cup and Premier League trophies over the past 15 months, isn’t interested in basking in the glory of what this Liverpool side have already achieved. “You’ve always got to focus on what’s in front of you,” Henderson says. “It’s about improving, it’s about being better and you can’t have any limits on that. I feel there’s still a lot more to come.”

Milner adds: “I think how good we’ve been over the last two seasons has been incredible, but if we stay at that same level it won’t be good enough. We have a target on our backs and they’re going to want to knock us off the top.”

Klopp certainly won’t change Liverpool’s approach. Both publicly with the media and privately with his players he has talked about how they will “not try to defend the title, we’ll attack it”.

Given the fact that Liverpool handled the tag of being champions of Europe en route to collecting 99 points in 2019-20, the manager doesn’t subscribe to the idea that opponents are going to be extra motivated against them. “I didn’t see a team last season who didn’t want to beat us with all they had,” he says. “We have to be full of desire again. We have to show how much it means to us.”

What would undoubtedly help Liverpool psychologically is the sight of supporters being allowed back into Anfield. They struggled to play with their trademark intensity in the behind closed doors games.

This team may have ended the club’s long title drought but the pandemic has cruelly denied them the tickertape victory parade around the city and the chance to truly share the moment with the fans. That’s another source of inspiration among the players as they set out on the path to retain their crown.

Kop legend Ian Rush was a member of the last Liverpool team to win successive top-flight titles. They in fact got three in a row under Bob Paisley and Joe Fagan from 1982-84.

“Winning the title is the easy bit, the hardest thing is retaining it,” Rush tells The Athletic. “Over the previous two seasons Man City were the team to beat but now it’s Liverpool. They have raised the bar even higher with the standards they have set. Everyone will want to beat Liverpool this season. I loved that feeling as a player, where every game felt so big. It meant you were doing well.

“The mindset has to be that you start all over again. Last season counts for nothing now. You have to prove that you’re still the best around. Having success makes you want more of it. Truly great teams keep on winning trophies.”

While Rush is among the last Liverpool players to achieve what the class of 2020 are striving to do, it is a challenge Klopp has faced and conquered before, winning the Bundesliga title as Borussia Dortmund coach in 2011 and 2012.

Rush sees parallels with the environment Klopp has created now and the one he was part of during Liverpool’s glory years. “When we won the title, (assistant coach) Ronnie Moran always used to say to us, ‘Take a medal if you think you deserve one, but just remember pre-season starts in six weeks’,” he adds. “No one ever got too carried away, no one got too big for their boots. Coaches like Ronnie and Joe Fagan wouldn’t allow it. We were winners but also humble.

“I see the same now with Jurgen, his coaches and the senior players. There’s a great spirit and unity between them. I can’t see them losing focus.”

That culture owes much to what Klopp has built, and what he has built owes much to what he has learnt.

When Klopp’s Borussia Dortmund embarked on their first ever Champions League campaign in the autumn of 2011, a source close to the club privately admitted that qualification for the last 16 was less of a priority for them than winning the Bundesliga for a second consecutive time.

It sounded like a hopelessly optimistic point of view then. Dortmund had won the previous championship in sensational underdog fashion, playing a novel pressing game that had bedazzled the league and left heavyweights such as Bayer Leverkusen and Bayern Munich behind as hapless also-rans. But this really wasn’t the sort of storyline that lent itself to repetition.

On the contrary, it smacked of a wildly romantic one-off, just like the surprise league wins of Stuttgart (2007) and Wolfsburg (2009) in previous years. Almost no one gave them a serious chance of defending their title before the new campaign. Their starting position simply felt too weak to consider them serious contenders for a second upset.

After emerging from a financial crisis verging on bankruptcy half a decade earlier, Dortmund were still being run on the fraction of their rivals’ budgets. They had also lost hugely influential playmaker Nuri Sahin (Real Madrid) in the summer.

Bayern reacted to the ignominy of losing out on a third championship in four years with big name, big money investments into their back line — Manuel Neuer, Jerome Boateng and Brazilian right-back Rafinha all arrived to address new coach Jupp Heynckes’ defensive concerns — Dortmund had to spend their receipts on a couple of cheap hopefuls, Nuremberg midfielder Ilkay Gundogan and Croatian winger Ivan Perisic of Club Bruges.

Within a few weeks of the new season, a replenished Bayern were five points clear at the top while Klopp’s Dortmund found their inexperience brutally exposed in Europe. “We played the way we did in the Bundesliga, but the level was beyond compare. Every mistake was punished,” CEO Hans-Joachim Watzke said. “We pressed really high, that didn’t work. Every game was the same. We created good chances but lost.” The centre-back pairing of Neven Subotic and Mats Hummels, both 22, looked far too green for the task.

Dortmund finished the group stage bottom, behind Arsenal, Marseille and Olympiakos, having lost four of their six games and drawn another. But their domestic season turned with a 1-0 away win at Bayern in mid November. The team’s pressing game was so on point, and just as importantly, still so fresh and unusual, that no one could come up with any counter-measures.

They suffocated opponents, going on a rampage of 28 unbeaten games to win the Bundesliga once more.


Klopp lifts the 2012 title, by 2015 he had gone (Photo: Lars Baron/Bongarts/Getty Images)
At the very heights of their powers, they then humiliated Bayern in the German cup final, a triumphant 5-2 win that had newspapers earnestly proclaiming” a power-shift” in domestic football.

But instead, that night Berlin marked rather an end of sorts. Dortmund did go on to contest the Champions League final in the following season, losing to Bayern, but never came remotely close to such perfection again domestically.

The red empire of Bavaria struck back, by investing heavily into their squad, copying key components of Klopp’s innovative ways and lastly striking at the very heart of Klopp’s side, luring Mario Gotze (2013) and then Robert Lewandowski (2014) from their rivals.

Financially, Dortmund were in no position to halt this onslaught. Klopp’s pressing and counter-pressing system had also been widely adopted throughout the league and partially blunted by smaller sides sitting deep in their own half. Each season, Dortmund lost some of their explosive edge. A lack of footballing progress beyond the novelty factor from 2010-12 turned into downright regression.

By 2015-16, the back-to-back champions were all but gone as a team. Along with the coach who had led them.

Liverpool are still counting the cost of the COVID-19 pandemic but The Athletic understands that the overall hit to club revenues as a result of the crisis is now projected to exceed the £100 million mark.

“It’s a moving target, especially with what happened this week with the government reviewing plans to start letting fans back into grounds again, but it’s going to be into nine figures,” explained one senior source familiar with the balance sheet. “There’s still no clarity on exactly when match-day revenues will recover and that’s the revenue stream that’s taken the biggest hit.

“It’s just not the tickets, it’s everything that goes with having 54,000 inside Anfield every week. It’s the hospitality, not only inside Anfield but off site too.”

Given that financial climate, it’s hardly surprising that it’s been such a quiet transfer window for the champions so far.

Having sold Dejan Lovren to Russia’s Zenit St Petersburg for £10.9 million and Ovie Ejaria to Reading of the Championship for £3.5 million, Klopp has only brought in left-back Kostas Tsimikas, who cost £11.75 million from Greek club Olympiakos.

Liverpool’s inactivity has been a major talking point, especially given the cash splashed by the likes of Chelsea, Manchester City, Tottenham Hotspur, Manchester United — and neighbours Everton. “Certain clubs are betting on the future, they are gambling on when revenues will recover,” the source adds. “Some absolutely need to invest if they are going to compete. Others don’t need to do that.”

Liverpool’s annual revenues have rocketed past £500 million in recent years but so has outgoings such as their wage bill. US-based owner Fenway Sports Group (FSG) has stuck to its policy of trying to balance the books while others throw caution to the wind.

“Clubs are in different situations,” Klopp told BBC Sport this week. “We live in a world at the moment with a lot of uncertainty. For some clubs, it seems to be less important how uncertain the future is — owned by countries, owned by oligarchs. That’s the truth.

“We’re a different kind of club. We got to the Champions League final two years ago, we won it last year, and became Premier League champions last season by being the club we are, by being led the way we are led. We cannot just change it overnight and say, ‘So, now we want to behave like Chelsea, now we want to behave like them’. It’s not possible.

“They all have their own way. We stay calm and try to always make the right decisions. That could mean we keep the same group or it could mean we try to improve on one or two positions. We have to wait a little bit.”

Liverpool expect there to be better value available in the market towards the back-end of the window, which closes on October 5. They also need to generate funds by off-loading fringe players such as Harry Wilson, Marko Grujic and Loris Karius.

They are even prepared to listen to offers in excess of £25 million for talented teenage striker Rhian Brewster, providing a buyback clause is included as part of the deal. No such bid has been tabled so far, but around a dozen clubs have registered their interest in taking Brewster on loan after he did well in helping Swansea City to last season’s Championship play-offs.


Klopp and Brewster compare their muscles during a lighthearted moment in pre-season (Getty Images)
Signing a centre-back to replace Lovren and a wide attacker to ease the burden on Sadio Mane and Mohamed Salah are the two main priorities. Relegated Watford’s winger Ismaila Sarr is on the radar, but the current £40 million asking price is prohibitive.

There is also the Thiago Alcantara saga to resolve. The bid Bayern expected from Liverpool for the Spain midfielder still hasn’t been forthcoming. It would be a signing out of keeping with the club’s transfer policy given his age (29) and the kind of salary he would command but there’s no doubting his calibre.

Will Barcelona make the kind of offer for Georginio Wijnaldum which convinces Klopp to wave goodbye to the Dutchman? Wijnaldum will be a free agent next summer. The season kicks off with much still to sort out.

Liverpool greats turned pundits Graeme Souness and Jamie Carragher have been among those warning of the danger of failing to buy from a position of strength this summer. Liverpool haven’t made a major signing since they snapped up Alisson for £65 million from Roma in July 2018. Can a squad that collected 97 and then 99 Premier League points over the past two seasons really hit those kinds of heights again without an injection of real quality to freshen things up?

Rush, the club’s record goalscorer, thinks they can. “It’s actually difficult to improve this squad,” Rush tells The Athletic. “There’s no point buying just for the sake of it, especially with the situation at the moment.

“If you go out and buy two, three, four players, it could take a year or two for them to gel. You can’t under-estimate the value of having stability and a settled team. We’ve also got some excellent young players coming through from the academy.

“I’m not worried about the lack of signings, I’m excited about this season. Other clubs simply had to spend this summer because they were so far behind. It doesn’t mean it will instantly click for them.”

Klopp has a close relationship with FSG president Mike Gordon and has been kept up to speed with the club’s financial position throughout the pandemic.

When he walked into Anfield almost five years ago, Klopp talked about “preferring training to transfers”. And if he’s frustrated by the lack of business so far this summer, he’s hidden it well.

“We always want to improve the squad, but there are different ways,” he says. “One way is to sign new players, the other way is to work together, improve the things you’re good at and try to nullify things you’re not so good at.

“That will probably be an advantage for us. We’ve worked quite a while with each other, but I know people don’t want to hear that. We did it last year pretty much that way.”

Liverpool are so infinitely better placed to defend their title in 2020 than Dortmund were in 2011 as to render most straight comparisons meaningless. For all that they may not have the financial might of their rivals this summer, no key player has left Anfield, as much of the proceeds of recent success have been wisely reinvested into the wage bill.

Whereas Dortmund spent each summer fending off suitors for their best players, struggling and ultimately failing to keep the band together, none of Liverpool’s superstars have even been the subject of a juicy transfer rumour in recent years.

But it’s not just their inherent strength that distinguishes them from Klopp’s Dortmund side a decade ago. It’s also the strength and sheer number of their adversaries.

Manchester City, for all their flaws, must still be considered one of the best teams in Europe. Chelsea, Manchester United and Arsenal all look stronger than last season, too. Dortmund’s second, exhilarating league title in a decent but not terribly brilliant Bundesliga offers few lessons this September, especially once you realise this is already Liverpool’s third year at elite level, having won the Champions League and then amassed 99 points in the league before lifting the Premier League trophy in July.


Guardiola’s City have strengthened significantly while Klopp’s Liverpool have added only one first-team player (Photo: Laurence Griffiths/Getty Images)
The question then doesn’t so much come down to repeating Dortmund’s repeat but to keeping up Liverpool’s present levels of near-perfect excellence for yet another season, significantly longer than Klopp was able to do at Signal Iduna Park.

There is plenty to suggest he will succeed in doing so.

Crucially, Liverpool’s trophies haven’t been won by employing those somewhat one-dimensional tactics from the start of the last decade but a much more refined version of them, taking in the specific demands of the Premier League as well as this current’s team’s huge improvement in possession.

Liverpool are no longer reliant on setting off bombs in the opposition ranks through an incessant press. They can play their own game now. It’s still loud but more consistently so. Klopp’s much cited heavy-metal style has long evolved into a slower, more hypnotic soundtrack of continuous precision beats that deliver deeply-felt elation at the end of a long night rather than the helter-skelter of hands-in-the-air moments mixed with some really dud tunes that played out between 2015-2018.

Chaos has been replaced with control: a more sustainable, reliable way of getting results, with each positive scoreline breeding more confidence for the next one. His Dortmund, hampered by tiring legs and snipers taking out their best men, never got quite this far.

Nineteen years into his coaching career, Klopp is in charge of a team of serial winners for the first time.

Security was tight last month at the plush Hotel Gut Brandlhof, close to the picturesque Austrian town of Saalfelden. Liverpool’s 10-day training camp in a COVID-19 bubble there differed from their usual pre-season trips: More rules, less freedom for the players.

Restrictions meant that team bonding trips outside the hotel were off the agenda. Klopp likes to bring in motivational speakers, such as German surfer Sebastian Steudtner, to address his squad but that wasn’t possible this time around.

New signing Tsimikas was spared the prospect of being handed a microphone and taking centre stage for his initiation song in front of his team-mates as there was no traditional BBQ and karaoke night. “It was basically: eat, sleep and train,” one first-team regular tells The Athletic.

Some got together in communal areas to watch the Champions League and Europa League knockout games after dinner in the evenings, while others retired to their rooms. What didn’t change this summer was the intensity of the training schedule. The double sessions were so gruelling most opted for a siesta after lunch before cycling back down to the pitches for more punishment.

Liverpool had been forced to change their plans at the 11th hour. Klopp had wanted to return to familiar haunt Evian, but those hopes were dashed after France was added to the UK’s quarantine list.

“In the circumstances, it was a really good camp in Austria,” one staff member tells The Athletic. “It wasn’t quite on the same level as Evian but not far off in terms of the set-up and the facilities. With a pool and a big indoor gym, it had everything the boys needed. Obviously, being in the bubble and being tested twice a week meant we couldn’t get out and about like we normally would on those trips.”

Away from training, there was a competitive edge in the hotel’s games room. A table tennis tournament involving players and staff was won by the doubles combination of Salah and Mane. They beat fitness coaches Tom King and Dave Rydings in the final. Basketball fanatics Van Dijk and Joe Gomez had a hoop to practise their free throws, while others did battle on the PlayStation.

Klopp lost Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain to a knee injury but Henderson and Matip both returned to fitness over the course of pre-season after missing the final stages of 2019-20.

A comfortable 3-0 victory over Stuttgart was followed by a 2-2 draw with Red Bull Salzburg at the end of their time in Austria, before Liverpool returned to the UK and lost the Community Shield on penalties to Arsenal. Blackpool were then thrashed 7-2 at Anfield in the final warm-up game last weekend. Klopp’s men had to rally though after a dismal first-half display against the League One outfit saw them go 2-0 down.

Liverpool’s attacking play has largely lacked tempo and rhythm, while defensively basic errors have cost them goals, but history suggests that the friendlies offer little insight into what’s to come.

After all a year ago, Liverpool were hammered 3-0 by Napoli in a friendly and also lost the Community Shield in a shootout before embarking on their record-breaking campaign. “The training sessions have been outstanding and I’ve liked parts of the games,” says Klopp. “We train really hard so then the (friendly) games don’t look so well, but in general it was a really good pre-season.”

Naby Keita and Takumi Minamino have been the pick of the bunch in pre-season and both look ready to take on more responsibility in 2020-21. The same goes for homegrown teenager Curtis Jones. When Klopp talked about “looking within for solutions” when he warned that it would be a quiet summer in the transfer market, those three were in his thoughts.

“There are so many players who can change their role and push the others as well,” he adds. “The solution isn’t always out there in other clubs. There are so many things in our game that we can improve further.”

Klopp’s players were given three weeks off at the end of last season before embarking on a four-week pre-season which was interrupted by the recent rounds of international fixtures. The fact the club’s South American and African contingents were able to stay at Melwood during the break should benefit Liverpool.

Physically, they should be ready.

The strength of Liverpool’s squad is a privilege Klopp will cherish and do his utmost to perpetuate. Aside from working just as hard on the details with his staff — the thousands of little things that add up over a season — the 53-year-old will once more emphasise the most important mantra of his coaching philosophy: the next match isn’t the most important thing, it’s the only thing.

After the 2019 Champions League final, he had made a point of not parading the trophy at Anfield at the beginning of the new season. That trophy belonged to the past.

One of the reasons why Klopp was such a good fit at the fraught, angst-ridden place that was Anfield in 2015 is that he’s made it his business to coach outside of history, guiding his players to blank out what went on before and stopping them looking towards the future, too. “We learnt to be completely in the moment, to think only from game to game,” former Dortmund midfielder Sven Bender explained about the trance-like sense of forward momentum his side experienced in those heady years.

Klopp manages his players to play in the here and now, because that’s who he is himself. Countless friends and former players have testified to his ability to shrug off traumatic defeats — his career is littered with them — and it’s no different with victories. According to his assistant Peter Krawietz, the staff are driven by a lust for success that far outweighs fear of failure or any possible satisfaction that can be gleaned from going down memory lane.


Klopp knows he is fortunate to have the squad he does (Photo: Andrew Powell/Liverpool FC via Getty Images)
This mentality, to be sure, is not unique to Klopp. In fact, it’s been a mainstay of football in Germany after the Second World War to value the present over prior endeavours, summed up in the famous “after the game is before the game” quote by their 1954 World Cup-winning national manager Sepp Herberger. There were political reasons for such an approach — looking back was not an attractive proposition in 1945 Germany — but more specifically, the game has since found that the past, for all the solace and joy it can bring, is a dangerous place to be, just like one of those dream worlds in the movie Inception. You lose track of real life in there.

The best German players and coaches have always been inherently forward-looking, bursting with the hunger and monstrous mentality that Klopp so frequently references.

This Liverpool team have been created in his image, and as long as his fire burns as brightly, there will be little need to consult the chronicles of the club’s former trophy-laden sides for inspiration.

“He always told us, ‘Run like there is no tomorrow’,” Sven Bender said of Klopp’s motivational drill.

In 2020-21, his Premier League champions’ task will be to run like there was no yesterday, either.
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It’s a great read! Personally, I’m pretty optimistic about the new season!

Squad wise, I think we’re more comfortable now, than before last season.

I think the “it’s harder to win it a second time” narrative is a load of bollox- it’s hard to win it, full stop. What makes it harder a second time? Before we won it, people were saying it’s harder for us, cos we don’t have experience of winning it, but now it’s harder cos we have recent experience of winning it?? As for the notion that teams treat you differently after you’ve won it- we got 97 points the year before and won the champions league, so teams would be stupid to not realize our quality.

I also think the “they can’t keep it up 3 years in a row” narrative is a load of bollox. Why not?! Footballers typically do it for 10-15 years in a row. The fact that they stay together at the same club, will stop that?? From a physical perspective, our front 3 (the players I hear rival fans say will burn out) have had their first long break in years, during the lockdown, and we were in semi-preseason mode for the last 7 games of the season. Yes, we wanted to win the games, but obviously the pressure that normally comes with a game wasn’t there.
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Yeah, that is a really good read.

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KloppÂ’s much cited heavy-metal style has long evolved into a slower, more hypnotic soundtrack of continuous precision beats that deliver deeply-felt elation at the end of a long night rather than the helter-skelter of hands-in-the-air moments mixed with some really dud tunes that played out between 2015-2018.


Also initial estimates of the cost of Covid are £100m

How the fuck are smaller clubs going to survive this?
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I am inexplicably annoyed by the fact City are odds on favourites. I know I have my own doubts and bouts of pessimism about the season, but we're 2/1 ffs while they're odds on. How on earth do they work that out? It's obviously not worth giving a fuck about but it's annoying me.
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It’s a great read! Personally, I’m pretty optimistic about the new season!

Squad wise, I think we’re more comfortable now, than before last season.

I think the “it’s harder to win it a second time” narrative is a load of bollox- it’s hard to win it, full stop. What makes it harder a second time? Before we won it, people were saying it’s harder for us, cos we don’t have experience of winning it, but now it’s harder cos we have recent experience of winning it?? As for the notion that teams treat you differently after you’ve won it- we got 97 points the year before and won the champions league, so teams would be stupid to not realize our quality.

I also think the “they can’t keep it up 3 years in a row” narrative is a load of bollox. Why not?! Footballers typically do it for 10-15 years in a row. The fact that they stay together at the same club, will stop that?? From a physical perspective, our front 3 (the players I hear rival fans say will burn out) have had their first long break in years, during the lockdown, and we were in semi-preseason mode for the last 7 games of the season. Yes, we wanted to win the games, but obviously the pressure that normally comes with a game wasn’t there.
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I am inexplicably annoyed by the fact City are odds on favourites. I know I have my own doubts and bouts of pessimism about the season, but we're 2/1 ffs while they're odds on. How on earth do they work that out? It's obviously not worth giving a fuck about but it's annoying me.
Well bung a score on it at twos and buy a nice ruby with your winnings and then enjoy being a smuggly smuglington knowing it was there for the taking.
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Well bung a score on it at twos and buy a nice ruby with your winnings and then enjoy being a smuggly smuglington knowing it was there for the taking.
Buy a curry with my three hundred quid winnings?

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I am inexplicably annoyed by the fact City are odds on favourites. I know I have my own doubts and bouts of pessimism about the season, but we're 2/1 ffs while they're odds on. How on earth do they work that out? It's obviously not worth giving a fuck about but it's annoying me.
A lot of analysis/stats seems to rely on the very basic XG model which we seem to have broken the rules of.

I expect us to fall back to the norm but not as much as the 'experts' think.

I think the fact we have Mane/Salah curling in chances from the opposite flanks rather an a left footer on the left. We score a much higher percentage of chances than expected but I don't think its a fluke. What is a 1 in 10 chance for a normal person is rightly 1 in 4 for Salah/Mane but it doesn't take into account the player.

Having the best goalie and CB seems to cause lots of unforced errors from opponents who are aiming precisely for the the corner and missing than just attempting to get it on target. Martial at 2.09 is a good example, VVD stopping the slower curled effort into the right,he shits himself not wanting to put it close to Alisson.

Close games at 0-0 where they miss a big chance XG has us behind, we go a goal ahead and kill the game without creating chances so not cranking up our XG and makes the match far more close than reality.

Also we are the masters of doing simple shit repeatedly well. It must be absolutely mentally and physically exhausting playing us. How the fuck do you model that.
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I am inexplicably annoyed by the fact City are odds on favourites. I know I have my own doubts and bouts of pessimism about the season, but we're 2/1 ffs while they're odds on. How on earth do they work that out? It's obviously not worth giving a fuck about but it's annoying me.
I dont know much about betting odds but I thought that bookies odds were reflective of where the money was being placed? I know that it starts from a bookies odds but where it goes after that is dependent on the money?

Or have I got that wrong?
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Correct. If a lot of money is coming in for one selection they lower the odds on that and increase the odds on other selections to level the exposure across different outcomes
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Buy a curry with my three hundred quid winnings?
A score 20 x 2 = 40
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Bit of a Puh-tuh-puh post.

GK

Alisson
Adrian
Kelleher

RB

TAA
Neco

CB

VVD
Gomez
Matip
(Fabinho)

LB

Robbo
Tsmikas

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Fabinho
Henderson
Keita
Thiago
Wijnaldum
Milner
Oxlade-Chamberlain
Jones
Elliott

Forwards

Firmino
Salah
Mane
Minamino
Jota
Origi
Brewster
Shaqiri


That's pushing 30 players. Could be argued there's two areas to be addressed - a forward player and a 4th choice CB. Otherwise it looks a complete squad to me.

With everyone fit we're going to see by far the strongest bench we've ever had.
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A score 20 x 2 = 40
Could've sworn you put 'ton'
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It's a decent squad and 27 at the moment (there are a few missing namely Karius and Wilson but assume that they will be sold). I suspect that the numbers will be reduced a little further, there was talk of Hoever going out on loan, Brewster is being linked with a move away, you wouldn't be surprised if one or two others were sold - I imagine we are listening to offers of Shaqiri and possibly Origi, although I would imagine he would be replaced, if that isn't the case I wouldn't be surprised to see Ox get more minutes as a backup to Salah or Mane (although I don't think he is suited to that role) or if Wijnaldum was used in a more attacking role. I also wouldn't be surprised if Elliott was loaned out if a suitable club came in for him. So I would expect that number to be more like 24 by the time the window closes.
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Add one more in there for @Thiago6, mate!...ah my bad, it's there already!
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Take away Hoever now.

Also you forgot Grujic..
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Had a quick glance at Bluemoon

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May aswell give LiVARpool the title now. Two penalties last week and a red card this week when he was never getting the ball, it’s laughable. Really what is the point in this whole charade?
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Lee Dixon keeps waxing lyrical about Thiago, saying he is one of the best players in the world, he’ll slot right in to a world class Liverpool side, “he’s like Patrick Mahomes”, etc., etc on NBCSN...

And nearly every time he mentioned him Thiago gave the ball away, or a penalty away, or took a bad touch...

But he kept doing it.

On instructions me thinks.
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Really nasty forum Bluemoon is. Worse than the official Everton was when that was running before the nuked it because the moderation was too much of a hastle.Hope they get stuffed by Wolves tomorrow

Leicester 3-1 up now so Everton off the top.
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Arsenal now an 8pm ko instead of 8.15.

The pubs would be kicking punters out and closing on around the 80th minute with the original kick off time


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Only takes a bad injury to fuck it up.

Least there is no European extra time and pens for 6 months.
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Aguero out til at least mid October too. Lol.

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