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Old 09-03-21, 05:53 PM   #8561
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The idea that a player starts to decline past 30 is a bit misplaced these days, you can normally get at least a couple more years out of them in general and some players (look at Ronaldo for an example) can stay at the top for a few years more...I think Salah is one of those players, not sure about Mane, and Bobby's game isn't about speed but skill and stamina.
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Old 09-03-21, 06:37 PM   #8562
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He needs backing this summer - Not a buy now, pay later PayPal policy - I mean real backing , balls deep from the owners - Will that happen ?
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Old 09-03-21, 07:03 PM   #8563
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I wish they would because we’re due a big transfer window, and we need it now too.

But our spend will be determined by sales, again.
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Old 09-03-21, 07:07 PM   #8564
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He needs backing this summer - Not a buy now, pay later PayPal policy - I mean real backing , balls deep from the owners - Will that happen ?
Probably not in the way you hope, cos we (thankfully in my opinion) aren't the plaything of a sugar-daddy owner, but a properly run club who rely on profits (non-existent after a year without crowds I would imagine) and maintain a strict wage bill. So the only way we will buy big is if we can negotiate good, well-spread (and highly incentivised) payment deals with other clubs, or sell-to-buy.
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Old 09-03-21, 07:11 PM   #8565
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But our spend will be determined by sales, again.
Yup
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Old 09-03-21, 07:15 PM   #8566
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Probably not in the way you hope, cos we (thankfully in my opinion) aren't the plaything of a sugar-daddy owner, but a properly run club who rely on profits (non-existent after a year without crowds I would imagine) and maintain a strict wage bill. So the only way we will buy big is if we can negotiate good, well-spread (and highly incentivised) payment deals with other clubs, or sell-to-buy.
So another PayPal summer then - Last big signing was Alison, and we've won the league and PL, the rest have been signings on the never never.

I want the owners to cash in on the leap in value in the club and match that - Give Jurgen a war chest and don't put it on the club.

But they won't ?
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Old 09-03-21, 07:18 PM   #8567
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So another PayPal summer then - Last big signing was Alison, and we've won the league and PL, the rest have been signings on the never never.

I want the owners to cash in on the leap in value in the club and match that - Give Jurgen a war chest and don't put it on the club.

But they won't ?
A lot will depend on Billy Beane i'd suspect.
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Old 09-03-21, 08:46 PM   #8568
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The Billy Beane deal is dead they couldn’t raise the capital there’s a different deal in play allegedly but it doesn’t involve him
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Old 09-03-21, 10:12 PM   #8569
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Old 09-03-21, 10:12 PM   #8570
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Old 09-03-21, 10:13 PM   #8571
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Old 10-03-21, 10:49 AM   #8572
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No, he has since bought a stake in the FSG group 10% i think
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Old 10-03-21, 10:51 AM   #8573
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My mistake its some other rich dude

The buyer is former Goldman Sachs banker Gerry Cardinale via his private equity firm RedBird Capital.

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2...dbird-capital/
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Old 10-03-21, 02:41 PM   #8574
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The buyer is former Goldman Sachs banker Gerry Cardinale via his private equity firm RedBird Capital.

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2...dbird-capital/
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Old 10-03-21, 11:24 PM   #8575
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Bit guarded in his answers understandably but great to see him looking less beaten.
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Old 13-03-21, 03:23 PM   #8576
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Jürgen Klopp

Jürgen Klopp has expressed his support for Sheffield UTD’s decision to sack Chris Wilder this morning. The German had clashed with Wilder on the topic of substitutions earlier in the season.

“Good,” Klopp told Soccer on Sunday. “Nobody likes to see a manager lose their job, unless it’s Chris Wilder obviously. I couldn’t be happier. For sure, this is up there with winning the league, the birth of my son and those kinds of things.”

“It’s wonderful,” said the 53 year-old. “Now Chris can sit at home discussing 3 substitutions or 5 substitutions with his wife or his dog or whoever. I don’t have to listen to it any more.”

“I’m over the wooden spoon, as a cockney might say,” added Klopp. “Overweight Frank Lampard, or some other cockney.”
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Old 22-03-21, 09:54 PM   #8580
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Old 22-03-21, 10:06 PM   #8581
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He's a lovely lad our Jurgen, isn't he?
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Old 22-03-21, 10:39 PM   #8582
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Old 23-03-21, 12:44 AM   #8583
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Old 23-03-21, 02:21 PM   #8584
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People say it all the time, but it can't be underestimated - 'he just gets it/us'
If you think back to Woy and everything that came out of his mouth was the exact fucking opposite of everything this club stands for... after a win, draw, defeat or press conference... he would absolutely balls it up with whatever came out of his owly-mouth...
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Old 07-04-21, 12:50 AM   #8585
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Old 07-04-21, 01:49 AM   #8586
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Old 07-04-21, 08:46 AM   #8587
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He won’t turn it around if a few of our players consistently underperform no.
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Old 07-04-21, 10:05 AM   #8588
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without Virgil.....and without the crowd, i don't think we will be capable.....

If we score first, then it might be somewhat interesting. But I can't see our defense keeping a clean sheet.
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Old 07-04-21, 10:17 AM   #8589
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Do you mean the QF or more in general?
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Old 07-04-21, 11:08 AM   #8590
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Re the QF, there’s very little chance IMO. Against Barca, we were the best team in both legs, despite losing the first 3-0. Last night we showed that we just aren’t at that level anymore. It’s not beyond imagination that we can win the second leg sufficiently, there’s always a degree of randomness to results, but I don’t see any reason to reasonably expect it.
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It will be tough. I agree the Barca game is not a decent comparison as we were better both legs. The mad omission last night was Thiago, we literally bought him for games like that, I was really surprised he didn’t start. It will be incredibly difficult for us to keep a clean sheet so we have a big problem to solve, and even if we are playing well we still have the inexperienced centre back to front up to a top level strike force.

It is going to be very hard.
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Old 07-04-21, 11:52 AM   #8592
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Re the QF, there’s very little chance IMO. Against Barca, we were the best team in both legs, despite losing the first 3-0. Last night we showed that we just aren’t at that level anymore. It’s not beyond imagination that we can win the second leg sufficiently, there’s always a degree of randomness to results, but I don’t see any reason to reasonably expect it.
Yup. Real could have an off night, but they look hungry and have peaked at the right time. If we had fans we'd have a good chance of blowing them away if we started on the front foot. Without a strong CB this team is miles off Real's last night.

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It will be tough. I agree the Barca game is not a decent comparison as we were better both legs. The mad omission last night was Thiago, we literally bought him for games like that, I was really surprised he didn’t start. It will be incredibly difficult for us to keep a clean sheet so we have a big problem to solve, and even if we are playing well we still have the inexperienced centre back to front up to a top level strike force.

It is going to be very hard.
Yeah, it looks like a real clanger. Not Klopp's first this season.

Keita did Keita stuff and wasn't a surprise. We played better when Thiago was on but that was hardly surprising as before it was akin to playing with a man down.
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Old 07-04-21, 12:30 PM   #8593
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Taking a more general meaning of the question, then no, not really. At least I don’t think we’ll reach the heights of winning major trophies again. Confidence/self belief has been too badly hit for the same players to recover as a team, and I don’t think klopp will be around for long enough to build another team.
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Old 07-04-21, 12:39 PM   #8594
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This season has been a write off since Gomez, Matip and Jota injuries. Coupled with everyone else's drop in form around the same time. We should go into the next leg with no fear of losing (it was the fear that killed us in the first leg).

If we win, hurrah. If we lose, a few more CL millions in the kitty and we wait for next season after a good rest. If the players and Klopp take that attitude then the relaxing effect may give us a chance. I would still drop Keita and Mane though.
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Old 07-04-21, 12:48 PM   #8595
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There are certainly many reasons for our poor form but those clinging to the get Virgil back and we'll start hammering teams again I think are in for a disappointment. I think we have dropped too far too soon to just click back into our old ways.
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Taking a more general meaning of the question, then no, not really. At least I don’t think we’ll reach the heights of winning major trophies again. Confidence/self belief has been too badly hit for the same players to recover as a team, and I don’t think klopp will be around for long enough to build another team.
This is exactly what City supporters were saying last season and right up until Christmas.
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I wouldn't want anyone else trying to turn us around.

(I've assumed you mean the general situation rather than the tie)
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This is exactly what City supporters were saying last season and right up until Christmas.


Yep they were being written off as needing a total re build last season and written of as a broken team and broken manager.

And what is more they looked a team that were mentally broken last season. Turns out that they were more drained than broken.
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Yep they were being written off as needing a total re build last season and written of as a broken team and broken manager.

And what is more they looked a team that were mentally broken last season. Turns out that they were more drained than broken.


They have tinkered with their style of play as well, made a top signing in Dias and built from the back, but even as recently as November City fans (both online and the several I know irl) were saying exactly as you've outlined. We don't need an overhaul imo...just sell a few underachievers, buy a CB, a dynamic CM and a forward, get VVD and Gomez back, reset and regroup over the summer and I'd back us to challenge next season. Easy.
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This is exactly what City supporters were saying last season and right up until Christmas.
Yeah, City fans were wrong, whereas I am not.

Pep's City have always been a better side than us, in terms of personel, and have no limits on bettering their squad. We won our trophies by being better than the sum of our parts, but won't manage that again. The damage to the self belief of the players and the total trust in the manager from this season is too severe imo.
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