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Old 14-07-20, 10:03 AM   #5881
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Not that I expect anything to come of it either, but I wonder how this effects the Premier League’s own investigation.

Does the 5 year time-bar apply here too, or can the PL (theoretically) go after the breaches that UEFA apparently couldn’t?

No time restrictions on the Premier League's investigation.

I wonder what the get out will be for this one.
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Old 14-07-20, 10:10 AM   #5882
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I think the "time barred" is critical for the UEFA investigation....a sort of "yeah, they were guilty, but unfortunately we can't do anything about it". But the PL can, if they have the gumption.
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Old 14-07-20, 10:34 AM   #5883
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Why would you have a time bar on cheating. Ridiculous.
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Old 14-07-20, 10:36 AM   #5884
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I'll be pleasantly surprised if the FA take any serious action against Citeh.
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Old 14-07-20, 10:41 AM   #5885
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Old 14-07-20, 11:17 AM   #5886
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UEFA will be keen to help.
Hmmm - it will be the other clubs who push for this but ultimately another fine which is pocket change to them
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Old 14-07-20, 11:23 AM   #5887
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Let's see which fans start crying over the "integrity of the league" now
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Old 14-07-20, 11:43 AM   #5888
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I think the "time barred" is critical for the UEFA investigation....a sort of "yeah, they were guilty, but unfortunately we can't do anything about it". But the PL can, if they have the gumption.
Its a massive oversight/failure on the part of UEFA. Embarrassingly so.

If the overspend is in plain sight and UEFA don't bother doing anything then fair enough a time limit is reasonable. But to not build in an indefinite time period for prosecution when deliberate and willing obfuscation has occurred is stupid.
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Old 14-07-20, 02:00 PM   #5889
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Sounds like Guardiola has gone off on one in his press conference.

He thinks City are due some apologies
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Old 14-07-20, 03:01 PM   #5890
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Old 14-07-20, 03:08 PM   #5891
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Typically you don't get a fine if you're innocent. What a fucking blert.
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Old 14-07-20, 03:28 PM   #5892
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Sounds like Guardiola has gone off on one in his press conference.

He thinks City are due some apologies
siege mentality. Everyones against them now, Poop has no choice but to dig in
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Old 14-07-20, 03:50 PM   #5893
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siege mentality. Everyones against them now, Poop has no choice but to dig in
It’s the way he tries to paint Man City as ‘the little guy’ vs the elite.
Doing it for all the little clubs.

£1.5 billion on signings in the last 10 years.

Fucking demented.
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Old 14-07-20, 05:43 PM   #5894
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I think the "time barred" is critical for the UEFA investigation....a sort of "yeah, they were guilty, but unfortunately we can't do anything about it". But the PL can, if they have the gumption.
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I'll be pleasantly surprised if the FA take any serious action against Citeh.
I hope I'm proved wrong but I don't think that the FA/PL don't have the balls to go after them.
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Old 14-07-20, 05:46 PM   #5895
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Uefa have only taken so long so they could use the time excuse and almost a certainty they will all be on vip trips to dubai, all expenses and slaves included.
Cunts looking after the cunts.
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Old 20-07-20, 07:31 PM   #5896
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Old 20-07-20, 07:41 PM   #5897
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And then Guardiola will have another cry when everyone shrugs their shoulders at seeing City win the treble next season.
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Old 20-07-20, 07:56 PM   #5898
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Old 20-07-20, 08:01 PM   #5899
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Old 20-07-20, 08:12 PM   #5901
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That's a lot of money to spend on fullbacks
CB/FB to be exact

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Old 20-07-20, 08:29 PM   #5902
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Are they serious about sorting their defensive issues. Nathan Ake is not the answer!
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Old 20-07-20, 09:26 PM   #5903
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Are they serious about sorting their defensive issues. Nathan Ake is not the answer!
They ‘need’ 4 CBs- Laporte + Ake as left sided CBs- they may bin Stones and/or Otamendi and buy another couple......Koulibally for example.

Fernandinho can fill in when needed
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Old 20-07-20, 09:44 PM   #5904
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Old 20-07-20, 09:45 PM   #5905
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Are they serious about sorting their defensive issues. Nathan Ake is not the answer!
Ake will do very well if they sign. He has the potential to be world class and is already one of the best CBs in the league.
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Old 28-07-20, 06:13 PM   #5906
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A panel of 3 people decided City's appeal.
City got to choose 2 of them.
City won the verdict by 2-1 majority.

Fucking hilarious.

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Old 28-07-20, 07:01 PM   #5907
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Uefa got played; city also hired lawyers from 9 (NINE) of the top firms.... UEFA were fucked from the outset
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Old 28-07-20, 07:18 PM   #5908
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What happened to the FA investigation?
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Old 28-07-20, 07:53 PM   #5909
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someone left the window open & all the paperwork blew away........
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Old 28-07-20, 09:24 PM   #5910
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Old 28-07-20, 09:41 PM   #5911
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For what it's worth, on the surface it doesn't seem that crazy. Three-person arbitration panels are typically picked just like that. Each side gets one pick, then either the two sides discuss and agree on a third, or else the first two arbitrators pick a third one themselves. I think there is a pretty limited number of possibilities at CAS (wikipedia says there are only 22 members), so it's not totally out of the ordinary that City's pick for the third arbitrator was someone UEFA didn't mind having on the panel.

Edit: Sorry, this was in reply to the thing about City picking two members of the panel. I'm inept.

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Old 28-07-20, 11:49 PM   #5912
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Verdict that kept Manchester City in Europe delivers some glancing blows

Cas judgment outlines reasons for finding in favour of City, but shows the club’s case wasn’t as ‘irrefutable’ as it made out

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So Manchester City’s hierarchy won the war they waged furiously against European football’s governing body Uefa, but the reality of the victory does not quite match the claims they made during their long campaign.

The panel at the court of arbitration for sport decided 2-1 in City’s favour to overturn the comprehensive guilty finding and two-year Champions League ban imposed by Uefa’s Club Financial Control Body (CFCB) in February, but the published judgment nevertheless exposes a core of contradictions in the club’s case. In May 2019, after the CFCB’s “investigatory chamber” (IC) referred charges to the “adjudicatory chamber” (AC) that City – owned by Sheikh Mansour of the Abu Dhabi ruling family – overstated sponsorships by the state airline Etihad and telecoms giant Etisalat, the club publicly accused the IC’s chairman, Yves Leterme, of bad faith and “a basic lack of due process”.

City have never explained what evidence supported this serious public criticism, or the allegations of bias made against Leterme and all members of the IC, AC and Uefa itself after the AC’s guilty decision in February. But the club’s statement said: “The accusation of financial irregularities remains entirely false and the CFCB IC referral ignores a comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence provided by Manchester City.”

The Cas panel’s full 93-page judgment does not quite support that: City’s hierarchy did not provide “a comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence”; they refused requests for evidence and witnesses and obstructed the investigation. Criticising City for that, the judgment even states that the club itself accepted there were legitimate grounds for the charges: “The panel is of the view that Uefa by no means filed frivolous charges against MCFC. As also acknowledged by MCFC, there was a legitimate basis to prosecute MCFC.”

While they did overturn the AC’s decision by a majority, the panel did not actually find that City’s alleged financial irregularities were “entirely false”. They found one of the AC’s key findings “time-barred”: that in 2012 and 2013 Etisalat had not paid £15m in sponsorships, which in 2014 City declared to the CFCB when making a settlement under the financial fair play rules. The judgment recites the finding that Mansour’s company vehicle for owning City, the Abu Dhabi United Group, had made or “caused to be made” those payments instead. It also notes that the CFCB did not have a fully “complete and accurate picture of two payments to MCFC in 2012 and 2013” when the settlement was agreed.

The panel overturned the guilty finding relating to Etisalat because two of their members decided that any breach of rules had not happened in 2014 when, the AC and IC found, City’s financial information provided for the settlement was false. Instead, presumably to the bemusement of the IC, AC and Uefa’s lawyers, the Cas majority decided any breach happened in 2012 and 2013, when the payments were made. CFCB rules require breaches to be prosecuted within five years – even if the evidence only emerged in November 2018 when the German magazine Der Spiegel published “leaks” of City’s emails. So, the Cas panel decided the Etisalat charges were “time-barred” when the IC prosecuted them in May 2019.

City’s complaint that they presented the IC with “a comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence” stood for longer than a year before the details now revealed that they obstructed the investigation. The Cas panel found that City’s hierarchy declined to provide emails and other documents when asked by the IC and AC, and refused requests for executives to appear as witnesses.

They did provide more testimony to Cas, with City director Simon Pearce, and former Etihad chief executive James Hogan, among others, giving evidence, and with the Etisalat charges timed out, the panel decided that the AC’s finding that Mansour had also substantially subsidised the Etihad sponsorship was “not established”.

More broadly than the precise legal findings, this toxic saga has featured an aggressive, ruthless approach from City’s ownership, which has deeply and unnecessarily poisoned relations with Uefa. Of course it was grim for City to have their internal emails exposed – the club saying they must have been hacked; Der Spiegel’s source, Rui Pinto, denying it, as he now denies criminal charges against him in Portugal for hacking in relation to other leaks. Nevertheless, it was shocking to see the email from the club’s lawyer, Simon Cliff, who wrote that City’s chairman, Khaldoon al-Mubarak, had told Uefa’s then general secretary Gianni Infantino, that he would not accept a financial sanction for exceeding the FFP permitted €45m loss when assessed in 2014. Cliff said: “[Mubarak] would rather spend 30 million on the 50 best lawyers in the world to sue [Uefa] for the next 10 years.”

Ultimately, based on the information City provided – apparently including the stated £15m sponsorships from Etisalat – Uefa and City then agreed a settlement.

Cliff also sent a tasteless email reacting to the death of Jean-Luc Dehaene, the then IC chair, and like Leterme a former prime minister of Belgium, writing with reference to the seven-person IC: “1 down, 6 to go.” Mortifying as it must have been for him to see that private bad joke held up to the light of day, and insistent as City were not to dignify an alleged hack with any response, they might just have dealt with that by apologising.

The hierarchy’s scornful statement after the AC’s guilty decision was in effect contradicted within days in an in-house video interview with their own chief executive, Ferran Soriano. City had again claimed the process was biased, naming and blaming Leterme, and refusing to recognise any CFCB independence from Uefa. “Simply put, this is a case initiated by Uefa, prosecuted by Uefa and judged by Uefa,” the club said.

Giving an expanded reaction, Soriano explicitly did recognise a distinction between Uefa and the CFCB. “We are not talking about the whole of Uefa, which is an association of [Europe’s national football] associations,” he said. He explained that he knows many people working at Uefa, “for the benefit of the clubs of Uefa like ours, but also for the benefit of football … Uefa is much bigger than this FFP chamber.”

Loyalists to Uefa’s FFP system, which has deterred European clubs from spending beyond their means on wages and hugely improved the game’s overall financial stability, reject that anyway. The CFCB process is integral to Uefa, and is set up to be as independent as possible so that the FFP compliance processes are credible. Whatever, Soriano’s acknowledgment of Uefa as a decent governing body never punched through the months of denunciation. Some fans arrived at City’s next Champions League match – privileged heights to which the Abu Dhabi mega-money has taken the club – with banners including “Uefa Scum” and “Uefa Mafia”.

Since Mansour took over City in 2008, Mubarak’s regime has been exceptionally skilled at balancing their unchallengeable spending – £1.3bn from the ownership – with good public relations: celebrating the club’s heritage and supporter loyalty, embracing good causes, investing in the community. In their war with Uefa, that slipped. City’s ownership was revealed as a group prepared to wave millions at lawyers to hammer European football’s governing body for trying to uphold its rules. City’s hierarchy have won that war, but apart from their own supporters, whom they encouraged to join in, their approach has not done much to win friends or influence people.
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Dodgy as fuck.
Ultimately it was UEFA's incompetence that meant that they went unpunished.

Hopefully the FA/PL will punish them harshly given that the EFL are punishing Derby and Sheffield Wednesday essentially under similar rulings, but I won't hold my breathe...
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Old 29-07-20, 02:55 PM   #5914
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Ultimately it was UEFA's incompetence that meant that they went unpunished.

Hopefully the FA/PL will punish them harshly given that the EFL are punishing Derby and Sheffield Wednesday essentially under similar rulings, but I won't hold my breathe...
More likely, the size of the bung has meant uefa have left it so long as to then be able to use the time frame get out clause as a reason for not gutting the doping cunts.
Do uefa have any for for being dodgy...
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Don't know anything about him, anyone seen him play?
He’s not Leroy Sane - he is a very highly rated wide player and was wanted by both Barca and Real. He had only a year left in his contract and given that Valencia are financially in the shit that’s still a good price for him.

We were strongly linked in the past - Pep does like his wide players and full backs so I am sure he’ll improve him
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