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Old 06-04-20, 07:06 PM   #481
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Old 06-04-20, 07:08 PM   #482
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Old 06-04-20, 07:08 PM   #483
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Owners have seen sense.

Shame on those on here who performed some extraordinary mental gymnastics in order to try and justify the original decision.
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Old 06-04-20, 07:09 PM   #484
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Owners have seen sense.

Shame on those on here who performed some extraordinary mental gymnastics in order to try and justify the original decision.
Still have no issue with it, other than the PR implications from people who do. I don't agree with the scheme, but that's a different matter.
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Old 06-04-20, 07:10 PM   #485
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Still have no issue with it, other than the PR implications from people who do.
Bully for you.
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Old 06-04-20, 07:14 PM   #486
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Still have no issue with it, other than the PR implications from people who do.
Same.

People will now of course claim their grand moral victory, whilst other companies in an even better position to cover salaries will get away with using the scheme and a much smaller number of those of rigid principle will unnecessarily expose their business to risk because they think 'should just about be ok'.

Moral means testing like this is absolute rubbish. Get the tax right, get the relief right, simple as that.
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Old 06-04-20, 07:14 PM   #487
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Old 06-04-20, 07:21 PM   #488
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I dont get why they rushed to announce it, not like they are going to run out of cash this month. It could come a time down the line where every club is doing it and there is a genuine need. Putting a statement out when football is already in the headlines and under pressure was daft as fuck.
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Old 06-04-20, 07:26 PM   #489
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Same.

People will now of course claim their grand moral victory, whilst other companies in an even better position to cover salaries will get away with using the scheme and a much smaller number of those of rigid principle will unnecessarily expose their business to risk because they think 'should just about be ok'.

Moral means testing like this is absolute rubbish. Get the tax right, get the relief right, simple as that.
I get it, rally against it because it doesn't feel right etc. The amounts we were talking about were miniscule compared to cost to the Exchequer of the accounting gymnastics going on now at the end of the tax year. I bet some our deductable items would make interesting reading, but they're ok because they only bend the rules rather than break them. This scheme was open, simple and universal by design, the idea being companies could still plan and invest as normal to limit the impact on economic growth etc. I wonder what the next issue will be, maybe rich people castigated for dying on NHS ventilators when they could have gone private.

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Old 06-04-20, 07:37 PM   #490
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People will now of course claim their grand moral victory, whilst other companies in an even better position to cover salaries will get away with using the scheme and a much smaller number of those of rigid principle will unnecessarily expose their business to risk because they think 'should just about be ok'.



Moral means testing like this is absolute rubbish. Get the tax right, get the relief right, simple as that.
Yep. Agreed. As I said before, I don't know how any one of us has enough information to make a judgement either way.

People just love to oversimplify things and turn everyone into heroes or villains.

There were some telling parts of the letter I'll highlight later when I get more time.
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Old 06-04-20, 07:38 PM   #491
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I dont get why they rushed to announce it, not like they are going to run out of cash this month. It could come a time down the line where every club is doing it and there is a genuine need. Putting a statement out when football is already in the headlines and under pressure was daft as fuck.
Yeah, that I definitely agree with too.
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Old 06-04-20, 08:02 PM   #492
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Still have no issue with it, other than the PR implications from people who do. I don't agree with the scheme, but that's a different matter.
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Old 06-04-20, 08:16 PM   #493
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Old 07-04-20, 02:13 AM   #494
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Old 08-04-20, 08:47 AM   #495
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Old 08-04-20, 08:52 AM   #496
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Just finish the season then. Why can't they make a commitment to finish behind closed doors. Do the neutral ground thing, play as many games back to back as possible and get players tested. All this unknown is not helping. Other countries are now getting back in training.
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Old 08-04-20, 12:25 PM   #497
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I don’t think any decisions can be made whilst we have a death rate climbing towards 1000 per day.

Social distancing is challenging enough without the toxic nature of sport. Throw in booze and then any big win will be accompanied by a “fuck it” as people race outside to celebrate.

There was a pissed guy in the shops with me the other day, getting more beers and he had no intention of any sort of social distancing. X that by a few thousand and you’ve got a big issue.

How we emerge from lockdown is going to be fascinating.
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Old 08-04-20, 01:06 PM   #498
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How we emerge from lockdown is going to be fascinating.
It's gunna be nuts when they open the pubs back up. After so long in lockdown everyone will be twitchy in crowds. Add in booze.....
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Old 08-04-20, 01:08 PM   #499
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It's gunna be nuts when they open the pubs back up. After so long in lockdown everyone will be twitchy in crowds. Add in booze.....
If they can survive that long. I imagine leisure facilities will be the last to open, and I do wonder how many will actually be able to last until that point.
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Old 08-04-20, 01:16 PM   #500
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Over here they're all owned by the supermarkets so will have no issues making it through. Booming industry at the moment.
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Old 08-04-20, 01:29 PM   #501
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Over here they're all owned by the supermarkets so will have no issues making it through. Booming industry at the moment.
That's a big plus for sure. Over here, I think the entertainment industry in terms of pubs, facilities is probably going to collapse.
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Old 08-04-20, 01:38 PM   #502
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It's gunna be nuts when they open the pubs back up. After so long in lockdown everyone will be twitchy in crowds. Add in booze.....
To be fair, that's always been what it's like in the UK
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Old 08-04-20, 01:44 PM   #503
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Re-open for Whit Bank Holiday Monday so we can all fuck off the pub for a full re-run of the 2005 Champions League Final
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Old 08-04-20, 09:27 PM   #506
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I spent too long considering why the football club would do this then realised it means the tennis!
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Old 08-04-20, 09:33 PM   #507
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Looks like players in the EPL have got together and created a fund - all releasing this statement

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Old 08-04-20, 09:39 PM   #508
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Surely this just proves that they have to finish the season, even if it means putting next season back and messing around with the football calendar for the next few years, a lot of clubs would struggle to cope with those types of losses in revenue.

We made what ~£40m profit last year, £100m loss would probably mean no real transfer signings this summer and if we are lucky just about breaking even in the next set of figures. And we're in a good financial position. Just finishing the season (even behind closed doors) halves that loss for us and reduces it even more significantly for most PL clubs. Surely it's a no-brainer, otherwise some of those clubs will be in serious trouble.
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If we restart behind closed doors, only the matchday revenue will be lost in full. I imagine a lot of the commercial revenue is sold toward the start of the season.

Perhaps they could ppv some/all games to make up for lost revenue. Do some kind of season ticket... not sure how that would work in terms of the production... amazon would work well for me though
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