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Old 01-12-20, 06:49 PM   #8881
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Do you have anything constructive to contribute or ask? Otherwise it's a fair opinion because we all have one, but weird place/context to voice it.
My original reply above was a fairly lengthy post querying what it was people found enjoyable about boxing but I removed it as I found it difficult to verbalise in a way which wouldn’t have riled some people.

You’re right though, what I ended up posting was a waste of time - sorry!
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Old 02-12-20, 12:03 AM   #8882
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My original reply above was a fairly lengthy post querying what it was people found enjoyable about boxing but I removed it as I found it difficult to verbalise in a way which wouldn’t have riled some people.

You’re right though, what I ended up posting was a waste of time - sorry!
No stress, was just curious. You're wondering if we're all psycho, passive aggressive masochists for enjoying such a 'violent' sport?

In short, for me it's about the competition, skill, techniques, strategy determination, tactics and showmanship. As mentioned before, I had a couple of amateur bouts at light welterweight and I don't think I've ever been so 'up' for anything. Not just the fight, the training, camaraderie for an individual sport and a weird inner belief that you're pretty good (not that I was particularly). Also a sense of your own mortality/vulnerability - both emotionally and physically.

To witness 2 domesticated/sophisticated humans go full primal and put everything on the line to write their legacy and obscene amount of money for our entertainment purposes is exhilarating. It's controlled aggression; calm, calculated and nothing like a bar fight. The characters involved are often interesting because it takes a special breed to voluntarily do this for a profession, therefore automatically a lot of them make really fascinating media characters.
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Old 07-12-20, 01:43 AM   #8883
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Old 07-12-20, 07:12 AM   #8884
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WTF? I'm no expert but this seems like a bit of an embarrassing mismatch, is it for charity or something?
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Old 08-12-20, 08:32 AM   #8887
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It's not a proper fight, not going on Mayweather's record. Still, it's a farce regardless.
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Old 08-12-20, 01:48 PM   #8889
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No stress, was just curious. You're wondering if we're all psycho, passive aggressive masochists for enjoying such a 'violent' sport?

In short, for me it's about the competition, skill, techniques, strategy determination, tactics and showmanship. As mentioned before, I had a couple of amateur bouts at light welterweight and I don't think I've ever been so 'up' for anything. Not just the fight, the training, camaraderie for an individual sport and a weird inner belief that you're pretty good (not that I was particularly). Also a sense of your own mortality/vulnerability - both emotionally and physically.

To witness 2 domesticated/sophisticated humans go full primal and put everything on the line to write their legacy and obscene amount of money for our entertainment purposes is exhilarating. It's controlled aggression; calm, calculated and nothing like a bar fight. The characters involved are often interesting because it takes a special breed to voluntarily do this for a profession, therefore automatically a lot of them make really fascinating media characters.



Balls to that. A couple litres of years out of date White Lightning whilst sat in the park and then shout at the other drunks until someone offers you a straightener. Now THAT'S the sweet science.
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Old 09-12-20, 10:54 AM   #8890
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Balls to that. A couple litres of years out of date White Lightning whilst sat in the park and then shout at the other drunks until someone offers you a straightener. Now THAT'S the sweet science.
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Well as mentioned, I briefly had a few amateur and white collar bouts. Trained and sparred in gyms for a several years but nothing of note. I'm really interested in getting into training fighters, so considering trying to do a 4 rounder next year. I'm in my mid 30s so a bit old to trying to turn pro - but it would be for educational/empathy reasons. It's not much but I would find it difficult (credibility wise) to instruct others without having stepped into the ring with small gloves and no headgear myself.

I vaguely recall Jaco saying he was a decent heavy at some point and considered turning pro. He can correct me if I'm wrong. Not sure about anyone else.
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Old 09-12-20, 12:26 PM   #8892
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I boxed as a youth at a good club (our captain was an 8 x ABA winner and commonwealth gold winner) but drifted out of it when "distractions" came along. Did a fair bit of thai boxing in my twenties - far too old now to even consider anything but made sure my son knew how to throw a right hand by taking him to a local club for a couple of years age 8-10.
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Old 09-12-20, 12:37 PM   #8893
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Well as mentioned, I briefly had a few amateur and white collar bouts. Trained and sparred in gyms for a several years but nothing of note. I'm really interested in getting into training fighters, so considering trying to do a 4 rounder next year. I'm in my mid 30s so a bit old to trying to turn pro - but it would be for educational/empathy reasons. It's not much but I would find it difficult (credibility wise) to instruct others without having stepped into the ring with small gloves and no headgear myself.

I vaguely recall Jaco saying he was a decent heavy at some point and considered turning pro. He can correct me if I'm wrong. Not sure about anyone else.


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Old 13-12-20, 12:02 AM   #8894
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Another riveting heavyweight contest with about 5 punches landed in the first 2 rounds.
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Old 13-12-20, 12:08 AM   #8895
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Really is shite stuff although I think we all expected it beforehand to be fair.
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Old 20-12-20, 06:06 AM   #8896
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Watching the Smith vs Canelo fight, my god the commentary on DAZN is dreadful, spent the first 6 rounds just talking about Canelo.
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Old 20-12-20, 06:31 AM   #8897
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Impressive from Canelo, clear winner of that fight, looks incredibly comfortable at that weight which is nuts in itself.
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Old 20-12-20, 06:46 AM   #8898
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Impressive from Canelo, clear winner of that fight, looks incredibly comfortable at that weight which is nuts in itself.
Definitely a candidate for the juice, people have been saying it for years. Would be shocked if he's clean.

Woke up still drunk and forgot about it. Only caught the last round. See almost everyone had Smith losing every round. Bit disappointing considering he's been speaking so much these last few years then completely bottles his first big test.
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Looked like Smith had an arm injury - not that it would have made much difference against the talented juicer.
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Old 20-12-20, 03:18 PM   #8900
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Definitely a candidate for the juice, people have been saying it for years. Would be shocked if he's clean.

Woke up still drunk and forgot about it. Only caught the last round. See almost everyone had Smith losing every round. Bit disappointing considering he's been speaking so much these last few years then completely bottles his first big test.


I imagine his pee glows in the dark.
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Old 27-01-21, 09:05 AM   #8901
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Old 27-01-21, 12:56 PM   #8902
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Looks like it will be very well made and Frank will no doubt be hyped to the rafters in it as the world class but still Plucky underdog going up against a prime Tyson..

But seem to recall that fight as being the early stages of Tyson buying into his own hype and ignoring things like his lovely head movement, his perfect transistions between defence and attack, and his at times underrated footwork. Him becoming pretty much a brute force artist that kept looking for that big knock out shout. Basically a past his best Tyson in terms of attitude and certainly in terms of application of technique

Also recall a horrible amount of hype trying to persuede the public that Frank Bruno was a world class perfromer and an all round Mr Nice guy.


Must watch the fight again, but think Bruno did ok against a less that stellar Tyson performance but time seems to have made getting stopped in the 4th or 5th round out to be some sort of massive triumph and I remember him being stopped even quicker in the rematch.
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Old 27-01-21, 12:57 PM   #8903
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Found the fight so figured might as well pop it up.

LMAO at the second comment "I wish a woman would hold me the way Frank Bruno holds mike Tyson"
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Old 27-01-21, 02:16 PM   #8904
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As I remember it - and I haven't seen the fight back since - it was Bruno's "HE'S HURT TYSON!" moment that feeds most of the triumphant or 'nearly' narrative for Bruno. Harry Carpenter roaring "HE'S HURT TYSON!" in the first round...me and me Dad on our feet. Haha. Great days.
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Old 27-01-21, 02:58 PM   #8905
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Watched the fight back and damn had forgotten just how much holding and hitting in the clinches Bruno did. Tyson was also a lot worse than I remembered. No finesse at all, just loading up for the big shot over and over. He was just so open to being hit, as we found out a few fights later when he took on a much better big heavyweight than Bruno. Was also interesting that Tyson showed no fear at all for Bruno's vaunted power.


You are right about that nearly moment feeding the narrative that Bruno almost had him, but in reality he just briefly stunned Tyson and never had Tyson in any real trouble.

Watched the second fight as well and that one was over in the third round.

My own take on Bruno was he was very limited, very mechanical and for the most part carefully matched but brilliantly marketed. Like a taller more mechancial Bruce Seldon albeit with the public hoodwinked into thinking he was top class. He was not a crap boxer, but the reality for me is that he was a mid tier heavy that was promoted so so well.

Even that comment from Bruno from the documentary about how he would have reigned supreme shows the sort of delusion that the public was spoon fed about Bruno.
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I remember it well also, it was my first experience of how late you had to stay up to watch US prime time boxing.

Harry Carpenter was such a memorable commentator and he truly cared and worried for Frank, that line was so hopeful.


Kevin Macdonald is a brilliant documentary maker - that looks excellent.
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Watched it earlier for the Odin knows how many times since 1985 so figfured might as well pop it up in here. Hagler is hands down my favourite boxer and fighter of all time.

I know everyone will have seen it, but hell here yet again is THE WAR
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Ahh now i was watching the Alan Minter v Hagler fight at Wembley Arena 1980 on youtube ..And wow Hagglers gave Minter one hell of a beating,The drunk racist British fans were non the too pleased and began pelting Hagler and his team with beer cans and anything else they could throw..after this i watched a few Thomas Hitman Hearn vids and he was an icnredible boxer ...then i watched Hearns v Hagler and the first round was hate v hate but Hagler produced a master class to defeat Hearns....80's and 90's Boxing was the greatest
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Ahh now i was watching the Alan Minter v Hagler fight at Wembley Arena 1980 on youtube ..And wow Hagglers gave Minter one hell of a beating,The drunk racist British fans were non the too pleased and began pelting Hagler and his team with beer cans and anything else they could throw..after this i watched a few Thomas Hitman Hearn vids and he was an icnredible boxer ...then i watched Hearns v Hagler and the first round was hate v hate but Hagler produced a master class to defeat Hearns....80's and 90's Boxing was the greatest

Yeah Hagler was more or less at his peak when he fought Minter. That was one cold beating he handed out that night. Mintwr's black man comments really came home to roast as Hagler was out to hurt him and not stop him even earlier than he did. You feel watching that fight back that Hagler could have taken him in the 1st and instead punished him for another two rounds.


The Hagler that took on Hearns was that bit past his best as was the Hagler that took on Leonard.

From about 1984 on you could see the slow down in Hagler. His hand speed and general movement slowed and his foot work was that bit heavier. He boxed less sweetly and brawled more from 1984 on as well and that beautiful side to side movement that he used to transition from defence to attack became a more front on approach.

Basically him being past his peak brought him down to being "only" a world class fighter compared to the untouchable ring god he was in his prime. But he had a solid 7 or 8 years being pretty much untouchable before he entered that three or four year spell at the back end of his career of just being top class.

Mad thing about Hagler is that he has 67 fights and only three losses and you could still argue that he had a number of very questionable decisions go against him so his already brilliant record should read a bit better again. The fights against Antuofermo (first fight that was a draw) and Watts (loss) were controversial points decisions to say the least and Hagler destroyed both later on his career when he gave both title shots to get them back into the ring with him.

His record at times reads like a list of hard bastards. Some many guys he beat were tough as nails and Hagler went against a number of them multiple times. Did like how he often sought out the guys that were being called the tough up and comers and basically chased the challengers.

The only two fights that I think, based on footage, I could not argue with were his losses aginast Monroe and Leonard. The Monroe loss came after he took the fight on only three weeks notice and it was still very very close. So close that Monroe gave him a rematch and Hagler knocked Monroe out. Then Hagler gave Monroe a rematch as a thanks for being given one himself and he destroyed Monroe even faster that time.

The Leonard fight I have watched many times, and I can see how it was scored in Leonard's favour but not by the margin one of the judges scored it. Leonard was a lot smarter on the night though and Hagler was stubborn for about half the fight which cost him points. Leonard used some very smart tactics and would finish every round being the man that looks aggressive and he threw a lot of soft punches that were eyecatching but did no damage and did not always land clean. But he still threw was would catch the judges eye and still did most of his advancing in the final 30 to 60 seconds of rounds to sell the diea he was the aggressor to judges as what too see last tends to stick in the head more that what you saw for the first two minutes.


Hagler not fighting left handed for a quarter or so of the fight did not help him. He is a natural southpaw but he went in against Leonard and went to fight right handed/orthodox. Then later when he switched to his natural stance he started picking up rounds.

For me Leonard probably won, but by maybe a round, two at a push, but viewing the fight and scoring by effective punches and clean landings, I would give it to Hagler by one but easy to dissect a fight in that manner years after the event and able to watch round by round at your leisure. Is a fight that could easily have been scored a draw tbh.

The greatest fight that never was imho would have been Marvin Hagler vs Carlos Monzon at middleweight. For me they are the number one and number two of all time at middleweight, Hagler being number one.

And I know the obvious shout is Sugar Ray Robinson, but whilst I think Robinson may possibly be the greatest boxer/fighter of all time and so so rounded in his ability, I think he was at his best at Welterweight and lightweight. I think at Welterweight he is/was peerless.
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Good post I’m not that clued up on boxing �� but a good read
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If you are interested in Hagler and his era then check out Marvelous: The Marvin Hagler Story written by Brian and Damian Hughes. Found it a really good read and it paints a pretty clear picture of Hagler (boxer and man), the fighters of his era, and his management.


Same father and son pairing wrote a decent book about Tommy Hearns as well.


That era of boxing (the Hagler/Hearns/Leonard/Duran era) has quite a few decent books written about it.
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If you are interested in Hagler and his era then check out Marvelous: The Marvin Hagler Story written by Brian and Damian Hughes. Found it a really good read and it paints a pretty clear picture of Hagler (boxer and man), the fighters of his era, and his management.


Same father and son pairing wrote a decent book about Tommy Hearns as well.


That era of boxing (the Hagler/Hearns/Leonard/Duran era) has quite a few decent books written about it.
yeah i'm not the reading type tbh but thanks for the info ....will definitely watch some more videos though
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Watched About an hours worth of videos on Marvin Hagler and boy did he have to work to get a title shot and a bit of help from a senator... but this guy was a wrecking machine,His punches were bombs and he’s was robbed by Sugar Ray Leonard and the judges ... for me Marvellous Marvin Hagler was the best the ultimate professional
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Watched About an hours worth of videos on Marvin Hagler and boy did he have to work to get a title shot and a bit of help from a senator... but this guy was a wrecking machine,His punches were bombs and he’s was robbed by Sugar Ray Leonard and the judges ... for me Marvellous Marvin Hagler was the best the ultimate professional

Hagler was one of the most avoided fighters of all time. He did not get his first title shot until his 50th fight. Nowadays the top fighters struggle to even have 50 fights in their entire career, let alone have to fight 49 times before getting a shot.

Check out Carlos Monzon sometime too. An absolute bastard of a man outside the ring. He beat women, he kicked the shit out of lots of media folk, he was shot by a girlfriend or wife, he murdered a wife, and died on his way back to prison. The man should never have had the boxing career he had as he should have been locked up years before he actually was.

He was a brutal savage in his personal life and somehow managed to be even more brutal inside the ring. Most fighters start to pick up losses as their careers wind down, but Monson finished his career with 30 straight wins and went 13 years between the last loss of his career and the end of his career.








Then check out Sugar Ray Robinson



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Fun fact about that fight. It took place on a Monday
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