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Old 10-04-21, 08:24 PM   #681
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Definitely, a midfield of Hendo, Fabinho and Thiago would take some beating.
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Old 10-04-21, 08:31 PM   #682
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Definitely, a midfield of Hendo, Fabinho and Thiago would take some beating.
Not enough goal threat imo. It's all a bit passive. Yeah hendo will try and force it but I just don't see that 3 and their ages being the dream ticket. We've been out fought and out paced this season. We need some more speed of foot and shooting ability or it'll fall on the front 3 to get all the goals again.
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Not enough goal threat imo. It's all a bit passive. Yeah hendo will try and force it but I just don't see that 3 and their ages being the dream ticket. We've been out fought and out paced this season. We need some more speed of foot and shooting ability or it'll fall on the front 3 to get all the goals again.
Cool, we'll play Naby then.
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Old 10-04-21, 08:37 PM   #684
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Cool, we'll play Naby then.
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Old 10-04-21, 09:38 PM   #687
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I'd like to see a leggy, strong midfielder come in, someone similar to Vieira when he was at Arsenal. We need someone who can stride through the middle of park, that can pass and shoot.

Anyone similar that's available?
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Old 10-04-21, 09:53 PM   #688
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I'd like to see a leggy, strong midfielder come in, someone similar to Vieira when he was at Arsenal. We need someone who can stride through the middle of park, that can pass and shoot.

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Marko Grujic.
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Old 10-04-21, 09:53 PM   #689
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I'd like to see a leggy, strong midfielder come in, someone similar to Vieira when he was at Arsenal. We need someone who can stride through the middle of park, that can pass and shoot.

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Yeah that Marko Grujic fella fits the bill
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Old 10-04-21, 10:25 PM   #690
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Not enough goal threat imo. It's all a bit passive. Yeah hendo will try and force it but I just don't see that 3 and their ages being the dream ticket. We've been out fought and out paced this season. We need some more speed of foot and shooting ability or it'll fall on the front 3 to get all the goals again.
To be honest that is the point I was trying to make, definitely think we need a bit more dynamism in the middle of the park.
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Old 10-04-21, 10:44 PM   #691
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I'd like to see a leggy, strong midfielder come in, someone similar to Vieira when he was at Arsenal. We need someone who can stride through the middle of park, that can pass and shoot.

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Denis Zakaria.

6'2, decent pace, strong, good passer, good tackler, good reader of the game, good dribbler, primarily a DM that can also play as a CM or at CB but gets up and down the pitch regardless of what position he starts in. Plus has been linked to us.

Be good cover/competition for Fabinho and Henderson plus at 24 one that could be with us for years.

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Old 10-04-21, 11:39 PM   #692
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Does he play for Arab Strap?
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Old 11-04-21, 02:37 AM   #693
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I'd like to see a leggy, strong midfielder come in, someone similar to Vieira when he was at Arsenal. We need someone who can stride through the middle of park, that can pass and shoot.

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Old 11-04-21, 03:19 PM   #694
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Yeah that Marko Grujic fella fits the bill
I still think he hasnít been given a proper chance.
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Old 11-04-21, 04:13 PM   #695
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I still think he hasnít been given a proper chance.
Agree. He has everything we need, and will bring more than keita, oxlade, etc.
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Old 11-04-21, 04:24 PM   #696
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Not enough goal threat imo. It's all a bit passive. Yeah hendo will try and force it but I just don't see that 3 and their ages being the dream ticket. We've been out fought and out paced this season. We need some more speed of foot and shooting ability or it'll fall on the front 3 to get all the goals again.
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Old 12-04-21, 05:21 AM   #697
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Agree. He has everything we need, and will bring more than keita, oxlade, etc.
Iíve often thought he could play as a CB too if given time in training to work on it. I guess weíll never know
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Old 12-04-21, 07:17 AM   #698
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Not enough goal threat imo. It's all a bit passive. Yeah hendo will try and force it but I just don't see that 3 and their ages being the dream ticket. We've been out fought and out paced this season. We need some more speed of foot and shooting ability or it'll fall on the front 3 to get all the goals again.
I think at varying points we have tried to bring people in with more of a goal threat: Naby, Ox and we almost signed Fekir, but none of them have ever worked out. I have often wondered why we haven't played Wijnaldum in that role more often, as he carries a goal threat in that role at international level, but the role that he plays for us 95% of the time doesn't seem to allow that. With him leaving in the summer it would seem a bit late now...
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Old 12-04-21, 11:17 AM   #699
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I think Grujic has been a victim of Klopp/Buvac breakdown as Grujic was recommended by Buvac so Klopp probably doesn't want a reminder of Buvac around him
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Old 13-04-21, 02:39 AM   #700
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I think Grujic has been a victim of Klopp/Buvac breakdown as Grujic was recommended by Buvac so Klopp probably doesn't want a reminder of Buvac around him
I doubt Klopp could ever be compared to a jilted lover.
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Old 14-04-21, 08:41 AM   #701
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Said it for a few years now, but our midfield, even when it was purring, wasn't really a goal threat. Other teams have goal scoring midfielders who chip in with decent numbers every year - we don't and haven't for years. Our front three pick up the goal tally and our midfielders seem to be just there to protect the defence, win the ball back and set them up. Very few long rangers from our midfielders... and it's usually a one a season worldie... as per Hendo vs. Chavs, Fab and Ox vs. Citeh... sad really as I'd love another Souness, Barnes, Gerrard... proper goal scoring midfielder.

We need a Viera, Grealish, Penandes, De Bruyne type who can stick one in from 30 yards when required. Our lot seem to find Row Z more often than not. Milner is the worst offender as he offers his 'grasscutter' and it's always well wide. Only good from 12 yards it seems.
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Said it for a few years now, but our midfield, even when it was purring, wasn't really a goal threat. Other teams have goal scoring midfielders who chip in with decent numbers every year - we don't and haven't for years. Our front three pick up the goal tally and our midfielders seem to be just there to protect the defence, win the ball back and set them up. Very few long rangers from our midfielders... and it's usually a one a season worldie... as per Hendo vs. Chavs, Fab and Ox vs. Citeh... sad really as I'd love another Souness, Barnes, Gerrard... proper goal scoring midfielder.

We need a Viera, Grealish, Penandes, De Bruyne type who can stick one in from 30 yards when required. Our lot seem to find Row Z more often than not. Milner is the worst offender as he offers his 'grasscutter' and it's always well wide. Only good from 12 yards it seems.
Yep, it feels like forever since we scored a goal from outside the box. Those types of goals have been a rarity for us in general since Coutinho left.

Same argument for goals from set pieces and corners since Virgil/Matip got injured. Feels like we have zero goal threat from those too.
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Yep, it feels like forever since we scored a goal from outside the box. Those types of goals have been a rarity for us in general since Coutinho left.

Same argument for goals from set pieces and corners since Virgil/Matip got injured. Feels like we have zero goal threat from those too.
Wasn't Trent's goal at the weekend from outside the box? (was at least on the line so was close)
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Old 14-04-21, 09:56 AM   #704
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Yeah true, in mind it was from the edge of the box. He's actually one of the players I think could score more from outside the box, but he's not often over on the left and able to cut back in on his right foot like that. It's not so easy for him to do from the right side of the pitch.

In fact across the whole league it feels like there aren't as many long range goals as there where a few years ago? Or is that just my perception?
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I thought the same recently.

Gerrard and Lampard led the way there.
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Old 14-04-21, 10:10 AM   #706
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I think we're capable of scoring some long rangers but you never see our midfielders twat the ball at all, with any conviction anyway.
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Old 14-04-21, 10:11 AM   #707
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Lampard was more a late run into the box finisher. Scholes was the man for a shot from distance.

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Old 14-04-21, 10:53 AM   #708
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Fab scored a couple belters from well outside the box last season. Take him out of midfield and agree, very little threat fro distance.
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Old 14-04-21, 10:56 AM   #709
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You’d expect Thiago to have a good shot on him but he normally looks for the pass
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Old 14-04-21, 11:22 AM   #710
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There does seem to be a trend to almost walk it into the net at times. Not just by us by every team. I wonder why?

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There does seem to be a trend to almost walk it into the net at times. Not just by us by every team. I wonder why?

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Old 14-04-21, 05:47 PM   #712
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We miss the sheer number of outside the box goals Coutinho gave us.
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Think his stunning long range ability was replaced with goals from elsewhere though.

We do miss his free kicks though. We're pretty shite in that dept now.
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When was the last goal we scored from a free kick? and by scored I'm referring to the free kick taker not via head/foot of another player.

We definitely seem piss poor in that department. Trent appears to be the main man for free kicks but I'm not sure he's any good. Would prefer to let someone like Shaqiri/Thiago/Jota have a go instead.
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It seems quite telling that Thiago didn't start either of the quarter final games, you would think that these are the type of games that we would have expected him to shine in.
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Yeah was talking about this earlier. Two of the biggest games of the seasons and he is on the bench & when he does come on, much like this season... he has little or no effect.
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He definitely gets away with more average games than anyone else.

I’d like to see Ox given a run, and more than one game because he looks to make things happen and more importantly looks to take a shot on. It must be very frustrating to be watching am I creative midfield when you know you could contribute.

But he needs more than ten minutes and then being written off as shit.
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Is Ox even physically capable of a run of games? Even last season he always needed subbed off around the hour mark and he’s had another knee injury since then.
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Is Ox even physically capable of a run of games? Even last season he always needed subbed off around the hour mark and heís had another knee injury since then.
No idea, I hope so. It would be great to see if he could contribute a bit more, just because he has some unique attributes and scored, I think 8 times last season. I thought he looked lively last night. I think he is so starved of playing time that he perhaps looks to force things too much when he does get on. Giving him a start would be a vote of confidence.
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