It appears you have not yet registered with our community. To register please click here...

est1892
Old 24-11-19, 06:54 AM   #8561
Zapater
Dalglish
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 3,789
The second I turned on the TV, Ortiz got sparked. Thought I was seeing a highlight. According to the commentators, he was doing really well, but Wilder's power is ridiculous. I've been quite vocal about not being a fan of heavyweights, including Wilder, but I have to think he's the best of the mediocre lot. Ortiz I think would fancy himself against either Joshua or Ruiz.
Zapater is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-19, 09:04 AM   #8562
RichC
Meh
 
RichC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 35,194
Wilder is a poor boxer but hes got that one punch power that’s his get out of jail free card. Saw it with Fury who outboxed him for 12 rounds but got caught with a massive punch that swung the scorecard to a draw (it wasn’t he lost that fight).
RichC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-19, 09:06 AM   #8563
labourRed
Shankly
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 8,278
Joshua would be asleep for days if he caught the end of that one.
labourRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-19, 12:17 PM   #8564
Zapater
Dalglish
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 3,789
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichC View Post
Wilder is a poor boxer but hes got that one punch power thatís his get out of jail free card. Saw it with Fury who outboxed him for 12 rounds but got caught with a massive punch that swung the scorecard to a draw (it wasnít he lost that fight).
This is the hurt business, amateur boxing is for tapping which is what Fury does. Fury couldn't hurt a fly, the only way he's scored knockouts is by leaning on smaller people and flooding them with a volume which technically isn't really allowed, see Cunningham. The southpaw slapping of Chisora was an excellent gameplan, but not a stoppage as such.

As Lou DiBella said, this Wilder is talentless is bs. He might not be good from a technique perspective or have an orthodox style, but there is a skill in being able to drop/knockout the better fighters in the division. Also the ability to control/gauge range to land those shots is something that he doesn't get credit for.

If you count the two knockdowns which gives Wilder 4 rounds in the 10 point scoring system, he only needed to secure 2 to earn a draw. As awful as he was, I can definitely find 2 rounds out of 10 to give Wilder, particularly as some judges believe in the archaic 'you need to convincingly win rounds against the champ to get the round' mentality. Absolutely nothing fighters regardless.
Zapater is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-19, 12:22 PM   #8565
RichC
Meh
 
RichC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 35,194
He’s a poor boxer he has power and of course it’s about finishing people however if he doesn’t land that punch he’s going to get beaten, he lost the first Fury fight and he knows it and again last night he was being schooled in the ring. Staying away from his power is the issue as it’s only ever one punch away.

Most of the boxing world think Fury won it, I’ll go with them and my own eyes on that thanks and I’m not really a Fury fan either.
RichC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-19, 12:55 PM   #8566
Shaggy
Dressed up as Batman?
 
Shaggy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 128,557
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichC View Post
Wilder is a poor boxer but hes got that one punch power that’s his get out of jail free card. Saw it with Fury who outboxed him for 12 rounds but got caught with a massive punch that swung the scorecard to a draw (it wasn’t he lost that fight).
He's the definition of 'a puncher's chance' isn't he.
__________________
I am a member of Supergrass now
Shaggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-19, 12:59 PM   #8567
Zapater
Dalglish
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 3,789
Not a fan of Wilder or any other heavyweight tbh, but 40 KOs in 42 fights is more than a 'punchers chance', clearly no coincidence.
Zapater is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-19, 01:18 PM   #8568
fidget
Shankly
 
fidget's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,049
A damning indictment of the modern heavyweight scene.
He’s fought two good boxers in his career
fidget is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-19, 02:41 PM   #8569
RichC
Meh
 
RichC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 35,194
Quote:
Originally Posted by fidget View Post
A damning indictment of the modern heavyweight scene.
Heís fought two good boxers in his career


Career padded out with some absolute bums
RichC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-19, 12:29 PM   #8570
Angryred
Dalglish
 
Angryred's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,732
Good article here on Joshua vs Ruiz 2

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/50534700
__________________
Nope, don't need anger management, you just need to stop pissing me off!
Angryred is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-19, 03:20 PM   #8571
calvoboy
Dalglish
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,387
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zapater View Post
If you count the two knockdowns which gives Wilder 4 rounds in the 10 point scoring system, he only needed to secure 2 to earn a draw. As awful as he was, I can definitely find 2 rounds out of 10 to give Wilder, particularly as some judges believe in the archaic 'you need to convincingly win rounds against the champ to get the round' mentality. Absolutely nothing fighters regardless.
Sorry to make a completely pedantic point, but he needs 3 out of the other 10 to get a draw. 2 x 10-9s and 2 x 10-8s would give him a lead of 6 points with 4 rounds scored, so if the other fighter wins the other 8 rounds he'd lose. 3 rounds would give him a lead of 7 with 7 other rounds to score.
calvoboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-19, 08:03 PM   #8572
Zapater
Dalglish
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 3,789
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichC View Post


Career padded out with some absolute bums
My point is that people say that Mike Tyson is a heavyweight great and what he beat wasn't too much better. Apart from Spinks, Holmes (who was only a million years old), Bruno at a stretch; the other names on his list were decent at best [at the time of the fights]. Lost to Holyfield, stopped by Lewis, dodged Bowe/Tua etc. Sure there were some tough fights on paper against good fighters but other than the above, there aren't any real standout wins.

In sports, particularly boxing it's always 'older is better'. Whilst the mentality is fair enough and I agree to it to some point, it discredits what lots of people are doing now. I remember someone telling me after Golovkin - Canelo 1 that there aren't any exciting middleweights anymore and there haven't been knockouts since Hagler. Where in reality at the time Golovkin had a higher KO% than Hagler. These 'all time' lists from 'experts' always have a huge American bias. The welterweight division from the mid 90s to until after 2010 was exceptional and many of those fighters will be inducted to the hall of fame, but people still claim that Mayweather for example had it easy because there aren't hard fights out there. Mosley, De La Hoya, Cotto, Marquez etc would have been brilliant in any era and people will probably wax lyrical over them in 20 years time.

Quote:
Originally Posted by calvoboy View Post
Sorry to make a completely pedantic point, but he needs 3 out of the other 10 to get a draw. 2 x 10-9s and 2 x 10-8s would give him a lead of 6 points with 4 rounds scored, so if the other fighter wins the other 8 rounds he'd lose. 3 rounds would give him a lead of 7 with 7 other rounds to score.
You're much better at adding than I am. Regardless, I don't feel that Fury has a case for 'robbery'.
Zapater is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-19, 04:42 PM   #8573
spud_gun
Paisley
 
spud_gun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 16,776
Weigh in for tomorrow's fight


AJ 237
Ruiz 283

Ruiz 20lbs heavier than the first fight. Joshua 10lb lighter.
__________________
absolute fucking monsters of mentality
spud_gun is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-19, 05:17 PM   #8574
labourRed
Shankly
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 8,278
Quote:
Originally Posted by spud_gun View Post
Weigh in for tomorrow's fight


AJ 237
Ruiz 283

Ruiz 20lbs heavier than the first fight. Joshua 10lb lighter.
Yeah, I saw that. It would appear that the good life has been too good for Ruiz. Joshua should have dropped weight earlier in his career.

So on paper you'd say, as long as Joshua fights on the outside and dances especially through the early rounds there can only be one winner. That said, Ruiz has good handspeed (about the only speed he has) so he has a chance, and to be honest, a massive one if he catches Joshua anywhere near as well again.
labourRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-19, 05:35 PM   #8575
spud_gun
Paisley
 
spud_gun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 16,776
Quote:
Originally Posted by labourRed View Post
Yeah, I saw that. It would appear that the good life has been too good for Ruiz. Joshua should have dropped weight earlier in his career.

So on paper you'd say, as long as Joshua fights on the outside and dances especially through the early rounds there can only be one winner. That said, Ruiz has good handspeed (about the only speed he has) so he has a chance, and to be honest, a massive one if he catches Joshua anywhere near as well again.
Can Joshua box and move for 12 rounds? Would be very surprised if he could.
__________________
absolute fucking monsters of mentality
spud_gun is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-19, 07:17 PM   #8576
labourRed
Shankly
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 8,278
Quote:
Originally Posted by spud_gun View Post
Can Joshua box and move for 12 rounds? Would be very surprised if he could.
Well he has done before and being much lighter I'd expect him to have improved his stamina. Whether Ruiz let's him or not is another thing.

It's Joshua's ability to stay at distance is my big question mark. I suspect given Ruiz's shape his tactic will be to try and blow him away inside four which he could to be fair.

Ruiz has went 12 before as well. At least he did against Parker. That feat alone is fucking remarkable - I think I'd have about four rounds in my legs at the moment with a tailwind and my BMI is at least half of Ruiz's.

In short, no way this is going the distance, if it does the last round will be like Spoons after closing time.
labourRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-19, 07:23 PM   #8577
fidget
Shankly
 
fidget's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,049
I've got Joshua in 6,7 or 8.
Works out just over 3-1.
fidget is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-19, 07:32 PM   #8578
Frenchie
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
30lb is a lot to give away, Ruiz hits hard he only needs to connect once
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-19, 07:37 PM   #8579
fidget
Shankly
 
fidget's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,049
To be fair at least 60lb of Ruiz is fat
fidget is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-19, 07:37 PM   #8580
Shaggy
Dressed up as Batman?
 
Shaggy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 128,557
I'm no expert but Ruiz was a late replacement last time and that has to make a difference this time, that Joshua will have trained to face him. I'm getting Lewis-Rahman vibes.
__________________
I am a member of Supergrass now
Shaggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-19, 07:38 PM   #8581
Frenchie
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
I meant the weight difference since they last fought,
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-19, 07:55 PM   #8582
labourRed
Shankly
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 8,278
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
30lb is a lot to give away, Ruiz hits hard he only needs to connect once
Yup. That's clear. If Ruiz gets inside easily he's the power to knock him clean out.

And there's a lot of weight in that punch. I doubt he can land it as accurately again though. I shade Joshua for it in the middle rounds after a bit of punishment.

But the beauty of this fight is it could go many ways so I'll have it on, but fuck paying for it.
labourRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-19, 10:27 PM   #8583
Mr Darko
Benitez
 
Mr Darko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 953
Ruiz by a brutal KO in round 3
Mr Darko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 12:56 AM   #8584
Chazza
Des Lynam
 
Chazza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 30,865
Really good BBC doc on the first fight.
Chazza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 09:57 PM   #8585
Maxiedge
Shankly
 
Maxiedge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 6,920
£24.95 to fund a fight in a human rights hotspot...not doing that.
Maxiedge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 10:05 PM   #8586
S-RED
Dalglish
 
S-RED's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,337
live stream ??
S-RED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 10:08 PM   #8587
labourRed
Shankly
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 8,278
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxiedge View Post
£24.95 to fund a fight in a human rights hotspot...not doing that.
Nor me. But interested enough to stream it. Not free though.
labourRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 10:13 PM   #8588
S-RED
Dalglish
 
S-RED's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,337
http://0eb.net/video/2294573.html

found this one
S-RED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 10:16 PM   #8589
S-RED
Dalglish
 
S-RED's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,337
no sound though
S-RED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 10:19 PM   #8590
labourRed
Shankly
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 8,278
Ruiz is like that kid that gets picked last at school.
labourRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 10:26 PM   #8591
rodo
Shankly
 
rodo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,873
joshua pissing this
__________________
Oh I say his vision there was lovely
rodo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 10:28 PM   #8592
Phil
Benitez
 
Phil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 521
http://givemereddit.stream/boxing/boxing-live-stream

Working well
__________________
I know I'll often stop and think about them, In My Life, I love you more - 96
Phil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 10:30 PM   #8593
labourRed
Shankly
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 8,278
Dupe.
labourRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 10:47 PM   #8594
spud_gun
Paisley
 
spud_gun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 16,776
Didn't think he had it on him but Joshua has boxed Ruiz beautifully for 7 rounds.
__________________
absolute fucking monsters of mentality
spud_gun is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 11:07 PM   #8595
labourRed
Shankly
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 8,278
Boring. But perfect tactics.
labourRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 11:07 PM   #8596
S-RED
Dalglish
 
S-RED's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,337
what a shit fight
S-RED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 11:09 PM   #8597
labourRed
Shankly
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 8,278
Quote:
Originally Posted by spud_gun View Post
Didn't think he had it on him but Joshua has boxed Ruiz beautifully for 7 rounds.
He's no Lennox Lewis but he did OK tonight.

Set up for a trilogy.
labourRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 11:10 PM   #8598
Cormack74
Shankly
 
Cormack74's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 9,304
Never in doubt.
Cormack74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 11:11 PM   #8599
spud_gun
Paisley
 
spud_gun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 16,776
Quote:
Originally Posted by labourRed View Post
He's no Lennox Lewis but he did OK tonight.

Set up for a trilogy.
Leagues apart. Lewis is an ATG.

Doubtful we'll see a third fight. It'd simply be a repeat of tonight and there's not much appetite for that.

Ortiz in May / June then if he wins the winner of Wilder / Fury this time next year
__________________
absolute fucking monsters of mentality
spud_gun is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-19, 11:18 PM   #8600
labourRed
Shankly
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 8,278
Joshua lifting the hand of the crown prince is indefensible.

A family of a murdered journalist will be sickened.
labourRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  est1892 > General > General Sports

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:25 AM.


Our Current Balance versus Target. Please help us: (Donate)

Kindly Hosted By DigitalWales
Any posts remain the responsibility of the poster. Neither est1892, its Owners nor any company affiliated will be held responsible from any disputes arising from these posts. The views raised are not necessarily those held by the website or its owners.

 

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.