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Old 04-12-19, 07:23 PM   #3441
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Yeah, I was genuinely gutted when I heard that. I loved him on The Debate on Sky. So dry....
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Old 16-12-19, 03:02 PM   #3442
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Some good news for SA ahead of the boxing day test, Graeme Smith was named interim director of cricket and Boucher the coach. It's probably too little too late for this series, but at least the right people are getting involved and the madness can stop. Only redeeming truth is that England have been pretty indifferent too and SA will still field a strong team on paper regardless of what happens behind the scenes.

Squad: Faf du Plessis (capt), Temba Bavuma, Quinton de Kock, Dean Elgar, Beuran Hendricks, Keshav Maharaj, Pieter Malan, Aiden Markram, Zubayr Hamza, Anrich Nortje, Dane Paterson, Andile Phehlukwayo, Vernon Philander, Dwaine Pretorius, Kagiso Rabada, Rudi Second, Rassie van der Dussen

Some fresh faces in squad, would go for this XI for the first test
  1. Malan
  2. Elgar
  3. Markram*
  4. Hamza
  5. Faf
  6. van der Dussen
  7. de Kock
  8. Philander
  9. Maharaj
  10. Rabada
  11. Nortje

* If Markram isn't ready then I'd let Rudi Second keep and push De Kock up the order to bat at 3 or 4. Bavuma must go, the guy is fucking useless, not sure how many more chances he's going to get.

Seeing that Pretorius and Phehlukwayo have been selected I can see them going with an allrounder option, not sure either of them are cut out for test cricket though. Those 4 bowlers should be enough and it's of vital importance to have a solid batting unit.
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Old 26-12-19, 12:51 PM   #3444
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Disastrous session and a half from SA. Wickets donated, Pretorius looks all at sea (as predicted). Hamza looked solid, think he'll be a good player. The rest need to work harder, upto de Kock to get us to something almost respectable.
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Old 27-12-19, 09:51 AM   #3445
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Not sure if anyone else is watching but the mic is turned way up, love Mikey giving Mark Nicholas some when they thought they were off air.

Can't believe Philander is retiring after the series. One of SA's best, irreplaceable. Possibly will be one of the best batsmen who will never score a ton (assuming he doesn't get one in this series).
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Markram injured, think it's a blessing in disguise. He needs some time away from the spotlight to get his game back in order, he's had an awful last 10 tests. Looks like Pieter Malan will replace him, look forward to seeing what he can do.

The article below encapsulates everything that is wrong with this country. No one can be happy with the win, everything is about ticking nonsensical political boxes. This whole 'black African' thing must be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Rabada is a world class player that any team in the world would love to have, but it's like we don't acknowledge him as anything more than a Black African. It's sad really. Would be lovely if the best team on merit played and players of colour didn't have to wonder if they are good enough or not.

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Pieter Malan is set to become South Africa's eighth Test debutant in five matches during the New Year's Test. Malan will replace the injured Aiden Markram, who has been ruled out of the series with a fractured finger, according to South Africa's head coach Mark Boucher, who is on the selection panel.

Boucher, assistant coach Enoch Nkwe, captain Faf du Plessis and independent selector Linda Zondi pick the starting XI and, speaking in the wake of South Africa's 107-run win in the first Test at Centurion, Boucher indicated Malan is the favourite to step into Markram's role in Cape Town next week.

"Pieter Malan was selected in the squad. For us to go messing around with the opening position wouldn't be clever," Boucher said. "Pieter Malan has done a lot of good work over a long period of time. It's his home ground. At the moment, we are swinging towards having a straight swap for the opening batsman."

Malan has a first-class average of 45.16, has scored a century for the Cobras and two for Western Province this summer, and was included in the original 16-man squad for the first two Tests against England. He did not play the opening match but when Markram was injured, he was considered the next man in.

However, after South Africa fielded a team that included only one black African and three other players of colour in the first Test, missing their transformation target by two, the apparent straightforwardness of Malan's selection became more complicated.

More so, now that Keegan Petersen, a No.3 and a player of colour, has been added to the squad. There was some suggestion that Rassie van der Dussen would be promoted to open the batting to make room for Temba Bavuma lower down the order, as a way for South Africa to get closer to the target of two black African players and four other players of colour. But Boucher suggested that they may fall short again because Bavuma, who is recovering from a hip injury, may not be fit.

"There are challenges because we have got a few injuries," Boucher said. "Temba still felt pain in his side yesterday, otherwise we were thinking about using him as a catcher because Temba is a very good fielder." Instead, Rudi Second stepped in for Markram in the field, and came close to running out Rory Burns with some sharp reactions at short leg.

Even if Bavuma was fit, Boucher hinted that he would not have a free pass back into the XI, because of van der Dussen's debut performance. He scored a half-century in South Africa's second innings and was part of a match-winning fifth-wicket stand of 91 with Anrich Nortje. "It will be tough to leave a guy like Rassie out," Boucher said.

However, Boucher also threw his support behind Bavuma and acknowledged that he will need to be nurtured as he makes his way back from injury.

"I understand Temba has been under pressure. I don't want to throw him to the wolves. Temba is very good and we will work with him," Boucher said.

Without Bavuma in the side, South Africa's new management will come under even more pressure for their missed targets, especially after accusations in recent days, from the Black African Cricket Clubs (BACC), that the structure is controlled by white men.

Boucher acknowledged that there is work to be done in that department and reaffirmed his commitment to change.

"We understand transformation and we understand we need to do a lot of hard work on a lot of players, especially allrounders," Boucher said. "That's why Andile [Phehlukwayo] is in the squad."

Both Boucher and du Plessis have made it clear that Phehlukwayo is being mentored to fill an allrounders' role in the future, though he will have to bide his time behind Pretorius for now.

All that said, Boucher will be relieved that the regular black African player in the squad, Kagiso Rabada, has found form after a year in which he struggled.

Rabada's seven wickets at Centurion, including four on the final afternoon, added up to his best haul of the year and was the result of giving him the freedom to cut loose.

"It's just about getting him into the game," said Boucher. "Sometimes as an individual you worry about your action, where are you putting the ball. Sometimes you just need to forget about your technique or where you are putting the ball and get into a bit of a fight out there. The goal was to try and get him into the game and get his natural instincts to take over."
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Looking like a decent lead for when we out SA back into bat.
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Old 06-01-20, 12:32 PM   #3448
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Declared with a lead of 437.

Looks like we've found a proper opener in Sibley - at last!
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Trying to think of openers who've tried and failed since Strauss retired.

Lyth, Compton, Robson, Jennings, Stoneman, Duckett, Hameed, Hales, Denly....any more?
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Looks like we've found a proper opener in Sibley - at last!
Not trying to be funny, but I think he looks shit, don't see him sticking around for too long at this level based on NZ and SA tests. Awful technique, Burns might be the only worse looking test player. Very unorthodox with lots of moving parts will make it difficult for him to be successful against the new ball. Did really well yesterday though, ground it out, England played really well. Unspectacular but necessary for test cricket. Think Denly's knock may be one of the better 30s I've seen in some years.

Don't think we have the players to see it out or score the runs. I just want to avoid an embarrassing defeat. Our batsmen, like England are low on confidence and some runs will make a difference. Hamza and Faf are due a score for Malan would do him well too. I fully expect to lose, but if we can get over 300 it will say a lot about the teams character.

Dropping Bavuma despite being the right move from a sporting perspective has caused huge backlash in SA and basically started WW3. Apparently the set up is racist. I like it how England can drop Bairstow and there's not even an article on it. We drop a player with 1 century in 40 matches and it starts an apocalypse. I've lost a lot of faith in this country to move forward on any level if so many people are so primitive.
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Dodgy looking technique never stopped Steve Smith.

I like the look of Sibley - just wants to bat all day. That'll do for me.
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There will always be some freak like players like Smith or Amla who can overcome deficiencies to have successful careers or grinders like Graeme Smith, Elgar or Cook but this is much more the exception than the rule. Especially when you need to face up against the new ball when you're playing the majority of matches on English pitches which nip around a bit. Maybe he'll prove me wrong, but I'll be surprised. As I say he did really well yesterday, but the ball wasn't doing a great deal off the pitch.
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Didn't think these guys had it in them, but saving the match is very much on the cards being 5 down at tea with Philander and Pretorius in the shed. 180 balls left to survive, would be a top notch achievement. You'd think we should do it, but England will come hard and collapses do occur in cricket. Should be a really tight final session. If this test is saved, it would do wonders for SA cricket moving forward and would be a huge statement about the new leadership.
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Old 07-01-20, 03:39 PM   #3455
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Not trying to be funny, but I think he looks shit, don't see him sticking around for too long at this level based on NZ and SA tests. Awful technique, Burns might be the only worse looking test player. Very unorthodox with lots of moving parts will make it difficult for him to be successful against the new ball..

A mate told me today that Sibley faced something like 1500 more balls in the county championship last season than the next guy (and not because he had loads more innings in case you ask).

So he may look a bit shit in his set up but he's currently our best hope in terms of being the dour obdurate opener that we've been missing for the past few years.
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This is perhaps the most angry I've been about a cricket match in many a year. Complete bottle job. The captain and specialist in these situations slaps an unnecessary sweep straight at a fielder and de Kock picks out midwicket from a long hop delivered by a part-timer when England looked demotivated. The pitch flattened out and inexperienced players lasted long periods of time. 5 wickets in a session when Anderson was not at the races is unacceptable, particularly the nature of some of those dismissals. If I were Malan, I'd be waiting for de Kock in the dressing room with my mouth piece in after batting for 6 hours to save a game and him exposing the tail like that.

I know I said that I wanted some fight yesterday and they did provide that, but throwing it away like that is disappointing. Wickets were given away, not earned on too many occasions. And I don't know how people think useless fucks like Pretorius and previously Parnell are allrounders, they score fuck all every time at the crease.

Went to the Centurion test, missed the Newlands test for the first time in 4 years because I didn't fancy going to Cape Town... I'm relieved because that final day would have killed me. Expect us to lose in PE as we always do (I hate the band too) and level it at the Wanderers. Will definitely attend the Wanderers test despite the disillusion.

Obviously Australia are the biggest rival, but hate losing to England, almost nothing worse, especially how smug the media and ex-pros get. Really thought this game would be revenge for this match and particularly this game which was crazily over 10 years ago now. Swann and fucking Onions saving it. Remember watching it in a pub in Sydney with my Proteas shirt on and a bunch of Aussies giving me all kinds of grief. 2 wickets away from winning a series 3-1 but its a draw in the books.

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A mate told me today that Sibley faced something like 1500 more balls in the county championship last season than the next guy (and not because he had loads more innings in case you ask).

So he may look a bit shit in his set up but he's currently our best hope in terms of being the dour obdurate opener that we've been missing for the past few years.
Let's see how he gets on. Won't be surprised if he's on top of that scrapheap (along with Crawley) in the next couple of years. What you do at other levels is irrelevant in test cricket. Jennings was SA U19 captian destined for stardom, he must be the only opening batsmen in the world whom is a spin specialist. Not an opener, but I was very impressed with Pope, looks like he has the potential to be a quality player.
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See some people are getting on their high horse about this. Who actually cares, no one would have said anything 15 years ago. Keepers have said much worse things to batsmen. I doubt Philander cares too much, he's been around the blocks in the semi-pro, county, international and SA domestic scene for the better part of 20 years. Would have heard much, much worse.
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Anderson ruled out of the rest of the tour.

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280-4 so far today. Dare I say we could actually get near a 400 first innings total (waits for the usual collapse!)
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Fair play, these two have cashed in on favourable conditions. On a different day SA would have nabbed atleast 2 more wickets yesterday for disciplined performance, but no complaints. Will need to bat really well to catch up.

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Don't understand at all what is so offensive about his celebration, but it's typical. As I've said previously in this thread, if this system was in place before, Brett Lee would have missed every second game. Completely unnecessary. Not having a moan, but players from certain countries always seem to get a harsher sanction than others when the book is thrown at them. India, Australia and England get away with what they want and control everything.

Presuming this isn't overturned, Bavuma will be sure to play the next game for 'transformation' reasons. So that will involve dropping a batsmen and adding a different bowler (keeping Paterson probably). Going into a test without a black player would cause mutiny despite the forced nature of the change. Unless Ngidi is fit again, at least that would be like for like.
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Agreed re Rabada. Don't see what was wrong with it.
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Fair play, these two have cashed in on favourable conditions. On a different day SA would have nabbed atleast 2 more wickets yesterday for disciplined performance, but no complaints. Will need to bat really well to catch up.



Don't understand at all what is so offensive about his celebration, but it's typical. As I've said previously in this thread, if this system was in place before, Brett Lee would have missed every second game. Completely unnecessary. Not having a moan, but players from certain countries always seem to get a harsher sanction than others when the book is thrown at them. India, Australia and England get away with what they want and control everything.

Presuming this isn't overturned, Bavuma will be sure to play the next game for 'transformation' reasons. So that will involve dropping a batsmen and adding a different bowler (keeping Paterson probably). Going into a test without a black player would cause mutiny despite the forced nature of the change. Unless Ngidi is fit again, at least that would be like for like.
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Agreed re Rabada. Don't see what was wrong with it.

It was a build up of points apparently. So basically the same as totting up yellow cards and getting a ban for it. Didn't think it was bad anyway. Just a bit of needle.
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So the demerit point is for "using language, actions or gestures which disparage or which could provoke an aggressive reaction from a batter upon his/her dismissal during an International Match".

I mean that's open to interpretation but if you want to follow that to the letter of the law, there are dozens of incidents in each and every test which could be considered to do so. The way players regularly speak to their teammates about the opposition to avoid talking to them directly could easily facilitate an aggressive reaction. Disappointing that one of the best bowlers in the world wont get to play a home test for him. Thought the ICC's job is to promote and preserve test cricket. Not make it a poorer product.

Although, Rabada isn't blameless, he has been called out on similar things in the past. Despite the situation being ridiculous, he should be aware that they're targeting him and he's been under the microscope for years. He shouldn't give the authorities the ammunition regardless of how marginal/circumstantial it is. Oh well, maybe a rest will do him some good.

Just sets double standards - Brett Lee was a fiery competitor and Rabada is out of control. Different eras, I know but it doesn't sit well with me.
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Here comes the collapse.

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It was a build up of points apparently. So basically the same as totting up yellow cards and getting a ban for it. Didn't think it was bad anyway. Just a bit of needle.
Indeed, it was the straw that broke the camels back, but I don't deem the incident befitting of it. But that's just my opinion, same as I didn't deem the Buttler incident noteworthy. In the previous tour when he told Stokes to fuck off after getting him out, fair enough, that's unnecessarily aggressive. In this case, he was a bit close, but don't think it was that bad.
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On an amusing note, I think that Paterson must be one of the roughest players I've ever seen on an international cricket pitch. Check the teeth on the guy! Not the best haircut either.



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Ollie Pope is here to stay huh? Fantastic. England line up suddenly shaping up pretty well I reckon.
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Nice early wicket this morning with Elgar going. 63-3
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A really good morning but the weather for the rest of today and tomorrow doesn't look great sadly.
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4 wickets to bowl SA out for 1 run, that’s some real capitulation. Rain might be their saviour though. 15-0 after England forced the follow on.
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1 down 3 wickets to go. Hopefully we can get this done quickly and take any weather concerns out of play.
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