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Old 23-07-20, 06:20 PM   #8801
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Old 23-07-20, 06:36 PM   #8802
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Jesus Christ, summarises everything that is wrong with the world. I really like Roy Jones and it's a shame that he didn't have consistently live opponents during his reign to give himself a proper legacy, but what the fuck, really. If he's still alive, he'll be having exhibitions in 20 years time FFS.
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Old 23-07-20, 07:57 PM   #8803
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Jesus Christ, summarises everything that is wrong with the world. I really like Roy Jones and it's a shame that he didn't have consistently live opponents during his reign to give himself a proper legacy, but what the fuck, really. If he's still alive, he'll be having exhibitions in 20 years time FFS.


IF he'd retired after he beat Ruiz for the Heavyweight title he'd be in the discussion for greatest fighter ever. His legacy is golden.

Sadly he's fought on for 15+ years too long.
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Old 23-07-20, 08:51 PM   #8804
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Without turning this into the Tyson debate all over again, how many really top fighters in their primes did he beat? Hopkins and Toney were great wins, but his light heavy reign in his prime which he is best known for is largely against good, not great fighters. Sparked by just that; good, not great opponents Tarver and Johnson consecutively. Obviously there are good names on his record unlike some other fighters but didn't get to really define his career.

When historians like Sugar speak about them, he often is recalled unfavourably in comparison to other top fighters in the division like Archie Moore and Bob Foster for example. Regardless I'm a huge fan and the best at his weight in his prime.
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Old 23-07-20, 09:42 PM   #8805
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Tarver and Johnson were post Ruiz. My point was that if he had called it quits when he beat Ruiz he'd be in the conversation as the greatest boxer ever.

I still think that regardless of what happened to Jones post Ruiz his legacy is golden. From Middleweight to Heavyweight champion is a once a century occurrence. Even in the modern age of alphabetti spaghetti titles the achievement isn't diminished.

I think we're in agreement that the Toney, Hopkins and Ruiz fights are his career defining fights.

Aside from those there's quite a few decent names on his record as well. Mike McCallum, Vinny Paz and Griffen weren't too shoddy.

Are we to suggest that Joe Calzaghe's legacy is in doubt is diminished because he fought tomato can's for a good portion of his career and only moved up in weight in his last few fights?
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Old 20-08-20, 07:47 PM   #8806
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Old 22-08-20, 05:20 PM   #8807
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Just remembered that Whyte vs Povetkin is a PPV tonight

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Old 22-08-20, 10:30 PM   #8808
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For the good of women’s boxing Persoon and Taylor just need to keep fighting each other forever.
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Old 22-08-20, 10:35 PM   #8809
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For the good of women’s boxing Persoon and Taylor just need to keep fighting each other forever.
Fuck all point Persoon fighting her again as she'll just continue to get robbed.

also Woman's boxing is shit.
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Old 22-08-20, 10:45 PM   #8810
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Fuck all point Persoon fighting her again as she'll just continue to get robbed.

also Woman's boxing is shit.
Yep, but if they were all this good then it wouldn’t be shit. I’ve seen two decent women’s boxing matches ever, and they’ve been these two. Agree Persoon has been robbed twice, even if tonight wasn’t as disgusting as first time round (though the scorecards tonight were a joke).
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Old 22-08-20, 11:07 PM   #8811
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It's improved a lot, but still not great. Girls like Courtnay talk a good game and try to bring something new to it (which is a good thing) but we still haven't seen it. As unpopular as this sounds and may make me, even though female sport has come on leaps and bounds in the last 5-10 years it's still largely shit and the quality is nowhere near their male counterparts.
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Old 22-08-20, 11:16 PM   #8812
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First knockdown for Whyte in the 4th. Povetkin is quality, but he may be a bit long in the tooth for this fight.

EDIT: Only tuned in the 3rd, so actually don't know if that was the 1st but assume so haha.
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Old 22-08-20, 11:19 PM   #8813
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Old 22-08-20, 11:20 PM   #8814
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Beautiful, clearly I don't know what I'm speaking about!
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Old 22-08-20, 11:22 PM   #8816
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Herol Graham-esque!!!
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Old 22-08-20, 11:23 PM   #8817
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Beautiful, clearly I don't know what I'm speaking about!


Nah, he looked shot in the third.

That uppercut was beautiful
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Old 22-08-20, 11:26 PM   #8818
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Old 22-08-20, 11:27 PM   #8819
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Outstanding. Imagine the noise if that was in the O2. Thought it would have been a tricky fight for Whyte. Great win for Povetkin at 40, would have wanted Whyte to win because I think he'd give Fury a hard night, but you don't argue with that at all. I like Povetkin but always have question marks over him because of the doping. He's only lost to Wlad and Joshua though which proves how good he is and those losses are probably more to him being much smaller than them opposed to inferior.

Not sure where to now for Whyte after this debacle, no title holder would want to get in the ring with him because of his huge punching power, not at all worth the risk. Hardly a huge draw financially either. Back to the drawing board I guess.
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Old 22-08-20, 11:28 PM   #8820
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Herol Graham-esque!!!
Thought it had a bit of the classic Jersey Joe Walcott in it, although JJW walked/slid in smoothly before unleashing that, whilst this was a slip and goodnight.
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Old 22-08-20, 11:44 PM   #8821
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Wow. Lights out.

Almost knocks Whyte clean out of his boots.

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Old 22-08-20, 11:45 PM   #8822
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Outstanding. Imagine the noise if that was in the O2. Thought it would have been a tricky fight for Whyte. Great win for Povetkin at 40, would have wanted Whyte to win because I think he'd give Fury a hard night, but you don't argue with that at all. I like Povetkin but always have question marks over him because of the doping. He's only lost to Wlad and Joshua though which proves how good he is and those losses are probably more to him being much smaller than them opposed to inferior.

Not sure where to now for Whyte after this debacle, no title holder would want to get in the ring with him because of his huge punching power, not at all worth the risk. Hardly a huge draw financially either. Back to the drawing board I guess.
They've confirmed on Sky that there's a rematch clause in the contract. He's got to take it and beat him convincingly, otherwise there's nowhere to go as you say.
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Old 23-08-20, 12:10 AM   #8823
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Old 09-09-20, 09:33 AM   #8824
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Lomochenko vs Lopez being made for the 17th October. Should be good fight this.
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Old 26-09-20, 01:18 PM   #8825
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Best British boxer not named Tyson Fury fighting tonight.

Josh Taylor Vs Apinun Khongsong

BT Sport tonight.
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Old 29-09-20, 09:49 AM   #8826
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Best British boxer not named Tyson Fury fighting tonight.

Josh Taylor Vs Apinun Khongsong

BT Sport tonight.
I watched this. Very peculiar ending although I thought the pundits were pretty unfair on Taylor and the knockout punch. Khongsong had clearly broken a rib or something imo - has anything come out about what the injury was? Seen a few on Twitter claiming he took a dive. Not for me Clive.
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Old 29-09-20, 09:54 AM   #8827
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Did anyone catch the Charlo's on the weekend? Knocked out Rosario with a jab to the body! Those brothers are pretty impressive.
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Old 30-09-20, 10:14 AM   #8828
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I watched this. Very peculiar ending although I thought the pundits were pretty unfair on Taylor and the knockout punch. Khongsong had clearly broken a rib or something imo - has anything come out about what the injury was? Seen a few on Twitter claiming he took a dive. Not for me Clive.
Not see anything regarding Khongsong since the fight.

Frampton and Haye weren't hiding their disdain for him on Saturday.
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Old 30-09-20, 10:16 AM   #8829
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Did anyone catch the Charlo's on the weekend? Knocked out Rosario with a jab to the body! Those brothers are pretty impressive.
Great athletes the pair of them. Never seen a boxer knocked out with a jab to the body before! Mike McCallum would have been proud of that
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Old 18-10-20, 07:08 AM   #8831
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Lopez beats Lomachenko! Thought this would be a good fight, hopefully see them go at it again.
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Lopez beats Lomachenko! Thought this would be a good fight, hopefully see them go at it again.


Looks as though he boxed his ears off. EDIT - Some debate over the scorecards especially the 119 - 109

Outrageous that neither BT nor Sky picked this up in the UK
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Old 18-10-20, 08:26 AM   #8833
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It was much closer than that ridiculous score card. Right result though, Lopez won that fight as Loma didn’t do enough early on
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