Community Shield v Man City

Shaggy · 27-07-22, 12:55 PM

17:00pm kick off at Leicester's ground!

Anyone arsed?

Can't say I am, but I will watch it. Hope we see Nunez start.

danperkins · 27-07-22, 12:57 PM

Looking forward to it mself. I'd love for us to beat them and lay down a marker. Because it's Liverpool vs City, I do think it will be a high intensity game and one which both teams to go flat out to win.

Pablo · 27-07-22, 01:00 PM

So we have a game at Anfield the day after this? What is the deal? Will we go full strength for this then field the ressies at Anfield? Seems odd.

Pablo · 27-07-22, 01:02 PM

Also wonder if we will be keen to avoid any more Haaland vs Nunez narratives and heap more pressure on by not playing him against City?

Jaco_Pastorious · 27-07-22, 01:02 PM

Think it will mean more to City than us tbh. Not that we will want to lose.

Be an interesting contrast in seeing whose pre season prep looks to have their team sharper.

We will have played at least twice as many pre season games as City by the time this game starts with Pepe favouring tactical closed door sessions over extra pre season games.

frank the tank · 27-07-22, 01:09 PM

I think all of our first team squad will get a total of 90 mins over the weekend....... Final games of pre-season before we go into our league-zone from next Tuesday onwards.

I expect the team to start in the opening league game to start v City. So something like:

Alisson
Trent, Konate, Virgil, Robbo
Elliot, Fabinho, Thiago
Salah, nunez, Diaz

I know what Shaggy is talking about in terms of not beong too arsed. At the end of last season i think a lot of us were on the fuckin ropes....... And anyone who i talked to that went to Paris (myself including) were fuckin allergic to footy in the aftermath of that.

But hopefully 5 mins into this game, there will be a good tackle on one of their ponies (my bet is that robbo will be the first man to force the tempo in this way) and we will all be well into it then again

Jaco_Pastorious · 27-07-22, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by frank the tank

I think all of our first team squad will get a total of 90 mins over the weekend....... Final games of pre-season before we go into our league-zone from next Tuesday onwards.

I expect the team to start in the opening league game to start v City. So something like:

Alisson
Trent, Konate, Virgil, Robbo
Elliot, Fabinho, Thiago
Salah, nunez, Diaz

I know what Shaggy is talking about in terms of not beong too arsed. At the end of last season i think a lot of us were on the fuckin ropes....... And anyone who i talked to that went to Paris (myself including) were fuckin allergic to footy in the aftermath of that.

But hopefully 5 mins into this game, there will be a good tackle on one of their ponies (my bet is that robbo will be the first man to force the tempo in this way) and we will all be well into it then again

Fabinho is my bet for that

Konate could be a dark horse in the first cruncher of the day race too.

Course with Thiago around, that fecker could leave something on someone in the first 60 seconds.

Pablo · 27-07-22, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by frank the tank

I think all of our first team squad will get a total of 90 mins over the weekend....... Final games of pre-season before we go into our league-zone from next Tuesday onwards.

I expect the team to start in the opening league game to start v City. So something like:

Alisson
Trent, Konate, Virgil, Robbo
Elliot, Fabinho, Thiago
Salah, nunez, Diaz

I know what Shaggy is talking about in terms of not beong too arsed. At the end of last season i think a lot of us were on the fuckin ropes....... And anyone who i talked to that went to Paris (myself including) were fuckin allergic to footy in the aftermath of that.

But hopefully 5 mins into this game, there will be a good tackle on one of their ponies (my bet is that robbo will be the first man to force the tempo in this way) and we will all be well into it then again

So that would me a 2nd string starts for the game at Anfield? I would be surprised if he does that. I'm sure those with tickets for the Anfield game would be hoping to see Salah and Nunez etc.

Pepe79 · 27-07-22, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaggy

17:30pm kick off at Leicester's ground!

Anyone arsed?

Can't say I am, but I will watch it. Hope we see Nunez start.

Kick off at 5pm, in case you miss the start!

Buzzo · 27-07-22, 01:36 PM

I wonder how City will play seems like they could be a bit undercooked? Have they only had 2 pre-season games?

Jaco_Pastorious · 27-07-22, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzo

I wonder how City will play seems like they could be a bit undercooked? Have they only had 2 pre-season games?

Two preseason games, but apparantly a huge focus on playing behind closed doors to get playing patterns and the like down.

By all accounts Pepe is making his teams even more drilled and more robotic than ever.

Might be something that works for them, or could be Pepe overthinking things again. Either way it all reads like a really sterlile approach to sport.

S-RED · 27-07-22, 02:07 PM

Cruncher
1: Millie
2: Konate
3: Robbo

Outside bet: Gomez on Grealish

Buzzo · 27-07-22, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaco_Pastorious

Two preseason games, but apparantly a huge focus on playing behind closed doors to get playing patterns and the like down.

By all accounts Pepe is making his teams even more drilled and more robotic than ever.

Might be something that works for them, or could be Pepe overthinking things again. Either way it all reads like a really sterlile approach to sport.

A fair amount of change to them this season as well in terms of personal out. So they will need to hope that Halaand settles early and that Phillips is good. They also need more from Grealish.

Lets hope this season it takes them a while to get going. When we won the League we went on a relentless winning run and they dropped a fair few points. I'd be more than up for another procession like that.

Shaggy · 27-07-22, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepe79

Kick off at 5pm, in case you miss the start!

Oops!

Edited. Ta.

RedReet · 27-07-22, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

So that would me a 2nd string starts for the game at Anfield? I would be surprised if he does that. I'm sure those with tickets for the Anfield game would be hoping to see Salah and Nunez etc.

No different than last year, although both games at Anfield last time.

Anyone buying tickets for a match the following day after CS should know it will be a reserve team

Jaco_Pastorious · 27-07-22, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzo

A fair amount of change to them this season as well in terms of personal out. So they will need to hope that Halaand settles early and that Phillips is good. They also need more from Grealish.

Lets hope this season it takes them a while to get going. When we won the League we went on a relentless winning run and they dropped a fair few points. I'd be more than up for another procession like that.

Not sure he will be a nailed on 30 plus game starter in the PL for them tbh.

I do see him as playing a big part, when he is on the pitch, in implementing the more cynical side of Guardiola's tactics.

City having a slow start, by their own standards, would not be a new thing though. Not looked back to check for sure, but did they not drop points early on last season as well?

A procession season would be very nice to see again though. That season was the most relentless Liverpool team I have ever seen and I include our 1987/88 team when I say that

Mr Pink · 27-07-22, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaco_Pastorious

City having a slow start, by their own standards, would not be a new thing though. Not looked back to check for sure, but did they not drop points early on last season as well?

Yup spurs took points off them in the opening game. Would be great if they start similarly this season…

Mr Pink · 27-07-22, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

So we have a game at Anfield the day after this? What is the deal? Will we go full strength for this then field the ressies at Anfield? Seems odd.

I wonder did they do that to manage the narrative around the community shield, with the fans/media. It’s not like right pre season is over and the real season starts now, with the community shield.. instead the community shield is in amongst the pre season games and the fans should treat it more like a preseason game, with the real season starting a week later. So if we do lose it, there’s no big disappointment/pressure.

Fredo · 27-07-22, 08:22 PM

When is this game, Saturday or Sunday?

Can’t really be arsed by this tbh, so if I’ve got something in the way I’ll pass.

Mr Pink · 27-07-22, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredo

When is this game, Saturday or Sunday?

Yes

Peter_Griffin · 27-07-22, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredo

When is this game, Saturday or Sunday?

Can’t really be arsed by this tbh, so if I’ve got something in the way I’ll pass.

That’s the spirit

Cormack74 · 27-07-22, 10:29 PM

I get that Pepsi is a big tactical thinker blah blah, but I thought the point of pre season games was mostly to get fitness up to match condition level.

How can you achieve that doing hop scotch and line dancing on the training ground?

Maybe he thinks with the break in the season for the WC he only needs them fit until November initially.

Whatever the reason let's hope he's misjudged things spectacularly.

Jaco_Pastorious · 27-07-22, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cormack74

I get that Pepsi is a big tactical thinker blah blah, but I thought the point of pre season games was mostly to get fitness up to match condition level.

How can you achieve that doing hop scotch and line dancing on the training ground?

Maybe he thinks with the break in the season for the WC he only needs them fit until November initially.

Whatever the reason let's hope he's misjudged things spectacularly.

Would assume that a number of the behind closed doors sessions are the first team vs ressies/youth in full length games to get everyone up to speed in real time with what he is supposedly trying to get them used to.

Cormack74 · 27-07-22, 10:39 PM

Quite probably, but I'm doubtful it's as good as the real thing.

Imagine some kid of 17 steaming in on K De B and putting him out for the season. If I was 17 that kind of thing would be playing on my mind

Jaco_Pastorious · 27-07-22, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cormack74

Quite probably, but I'm doubtful it's as good as the real thing.

Imagine some kid of 17 steaming in on K De B and putting him out for the season. If I was 17 that kind of thing would be playing on my mind

I agree with you as I think semi competitive games coupled with the behind the scenes stuff is what works and if too much travel can be avoided (not always possible with the commercial side having a say these days) then that is a serious bonus.

I'm just curious to see how City start the season with this new less games by choice pre season strategy.

Last season they had a shorter pre season in terms of games as two of their five preseason games were cancelled due to covid. They won the title.

The season before their pre season was more or less behind closed doors (like most teams) due to covid. They won the title.

The season before that again they did a longer (traditional length) pre season, playing four games in the far east with a fair bit of bit travel involved between games before playing in the Charity shield. They finished miles behind us.

The season before that again. Very short preseason. Only three games and all played within an eight day period in the US. They won the title.

Does seem like less games in pre season and less travel suits whatever they do. The one season in recent years they did the travelling far and playing more games in preseason they had a poor (by their standards) season.

Liverpool · 27-07-22, 11:18 PM

The running battle we've had with City makes this game a bit meaningless imo, the media might try the 'putting down a marker' stuff. We already know the score about each other and we'll learn very little on Saturday.

I don't think either manager will be too fussed about the result and a 5-0 result either way won't impact the thinking going into the season.

Can't say i've paid any attention since Paris tbh, Fulham is the one in the calender.

Sus · 28-07-22, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Liverpool

The running battle we've had with City makes this game a bit meaningless imo, the media might try the 'putting down a marker' stuff. We already know the score about each other and we'll learn very little on Saturday.

I don't think either manager will be too fussed about the result and a 5-0 result either way won't impact the thinking going into the season.

Can't say i've paid any attention since Paris tbh, Fulham is the one in the calender.

Yep, this. This weekend feels too early for the start of another football season, so treating it like the pre season match it is.

SB · 28-07-22, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sus

Yep, this. This weekend feels too early for the start of another football season, so treating it like the pre season match it is.

Until we win 3-0 then we’ll all be biggin it up

frank the tank · 28-07-22, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

So that would me a 2nd string starts for the game at Anfield? I would be surprised if he does that. I'm sure those with tickets for the Anfield game would be hoping to see Salah and Nunez etc.

They might see salah for half an hour if he only gets an hour on Sat.

They miggt see nunez for an hour if he only gets 30 mins on sat

They will probably see milner and jones though

Sus · 28-07-22, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SB

Until we win 3-0 then we’ll all be biggin it up

Yes of course! Does that even need to be said?

danperkins · 28-07-22, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SB

Until we win 3-0 then we’ll all be biggin it up

Pablo · 28-07-22, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Also wonder if we will be keen to avoid any more Haaland vs Nunez narratives and heap more pressure on by not playing him against City?

I think yesterday answered this. He's going to start on the bench against City. Smart move to avoid putting Nunez under too much pressure early on IMO.

SB · 28-07-22, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sus

Yes of course! Does that even need to be said?

I like to state the obvious

Shaggy · 28-07-22, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Liverpool

The running battle we've had with City makes this game a bit meaningless imo, the media might try the 'putting down a marker' stuff. We already know the score about each other and we'll learn very little on Saturday.

I don't think either manager will be too fussed about the result and a 5-0 result either way won't impact the thinking going into the season.

Can't say i've paid any attention since Paris tbh, Fulham is the one in the calender.

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Originally Posted by Sus

Yep, this. This weekend feels too early for the start of another football season, so treating it like the pre season match it is.

Yeah exactly the same. I've loved the break. Inching closer to feeling ready to go, but not arsed about the weekend.

SB · 28-07-22, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

I think yesterday answered this. He's going to start on the bench against City. Smart move to avoid putting Nunez under too much pressure early on IMO.

Yep it makes sense.

Jaco_Pastorious · 28-07-22, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sus

Yep, this. This weekend feels too early for the start of another football season, so treating it like the pre season match it is.

Yep that's all it is really. If we were not in it, then no doubt we would have had a friendly against a strong team arranged for this weekend anyway.

A big win or big loss in this means nothing for the following weekend when actual points will be at stake.

Roll on Fulham.

Sus · 28-07-22, 10:46 AM

Can't wait for Fulham - just need to decide if I include Mitrovic in my FF team. He was incredibly disappointing last time (though, to be fair, Fulham that season were a case study of what not to do as a promoted team)

Jaco_Pastorious · 28-07-22, 10:47 AM

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Can't wait for Fulham - just need to decide if I include Mitrovic in my FF team. He was incredibly disappointing last time (though, to be fair, Fulham that season were a case study of what not to do as a promoted team)

Have him in mine along with Awoniyi. In fact all three strikers in my FF team are gambles.

Shaggy · 28-07-22, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaco_Pastorious

Have him in mine along with Awoniyi. In fact all three strikers in my FF team are gambles.

My forward line is absolutely shit cos I've gone big on 'midfielders' and Trent

Jaco_Pastorious · 28-07-22, 12:46 PM

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My forward line is absolutely shit cos I've gone big on 'midfielders' and Trent

I am the same.

Said as much in the FF thread that I go big in midfield and with full backs for my points, then gamble on some low to mid priced strikers having 120 to 150 point seasons.