Fulham away thread - Page 7

danperkins · 06-08-22, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by red g

If Thiago's injury is a hamstring I wouldn't be surprised to see us bring in a much needed midfielder before the window closes.

I really hope so but I won't hold my breath.

It's something that we should have anticipated and boxed off already. The most obvious problem with our top class team is we are lacking in midfield and we have players currently in our squad that cannot be relied upon to stay fit. We don't address these issues and we get punished.

Fosterbloke · 06-08-22, 02:35 PM

Totally out-fought and out-thought.

Fredo · 06-08-22, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by danperkins

But he's absolutely spot on Nigel. You can't be an apologist every fucking time. We should not be losing to the likes of Fulham. We lost the league by a fanny hair last season, a draw like this can be the difference between winning and losing a league championship when you are up against Man City.

He’s not spot on to throw his toys out of the pram on the first day of the season, like you do.

Anyway, enjoy the moaning, I’ll be spending the day in the sun.

labourRed · 06-08-22, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredo

You’re becoming more and more like an old moaning fool.

We’re still undercooked as our pre season has been extended well into the season. Fulham matched and outplayed us in terms of intensity. No big deal losing 2 points at this stage.

To win the league you can afford about 6 draws and 3 defeats give or take. We've absorbed one of those already and that's not ideal.

Bobby though. Fucked if I can see what he adds these days.

Kenneth · 06-08-22, 02:39 PM

I think he’ll come good, but is Harvey really ready?

danperkins · 06-08-22, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Irishnev

Midfield depth a worry although Elliott looks ready for me. Bobby form a real issue……… that big fucking oaf caused us the world of problems and he’ll do fuck all for the rest of the season. Both Matip and VVD were rattled, casual Trent is infuriating as he is so much better than that

Nunez while still raw is involved in everything and creates mayhem - you need to play him. Thiago injury so predictable and we’ll do nothing…….. fair play to Fulham who shithoused all game, got everything from the ref and outfought us

Gone are the days when it wrecks my weekend but boy God I was annoyed during the game

there were several poor performances, Firmino being shite was not a surprise for me, the last 3 seasons he's been below par, Nunez is raw for sure but he is a live wire and he is unpredictable.

Thiago getting injured was so predictable, same as Keita and Ox being out. I am gobsmacked that we haven't got another quality midfielder in. I like Elliot but he is still a kid and I'm not sure he's ready to be a starter in our side. Credit to Fulham, they worked their bollox off and got stuck in and grinder that result out but I'm livid with our performance and personnel issues.

Bender · 06-08-22, 02:39 PM

First game of the new season ....if the team was going to have a crap performance best be it now as Klopp will be tearing a lot of new ass holes today

Kenneth · 06-08-22, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredo

He’s not spot on to throw his toys out of the pram on the first day of the season, like you do.

Anyway, enjoy the moaning, I’ll be spending the day in the sun.

What are you talking about? What toys? I said we were crap, that Milner made a big difference and that Fulham cheated a lot. So shove it.

Jaco_Pastorious · 06-08-22, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by spud_gun

2-2

Fair play to Fulham. They were well up for that today.

Midfield still an area for concern. Can't build around Thiago.

What is a bigger concern than Thigao picking up knocks/injuries is that our back up midfielders pick up a lot of knocks and injuries and Keita, the one that would be most likely to stand in for Thiago, is out more than Thiago.

Thought we needed two midfielders since last Janury and nothing has happened to change my mind now.

Still think we need a starter to come in at RCm, a Barella level player if not Barella himself, and also a Laimer type player to be one of the immediate back ups, the sort that can play well in a number of CM spots and that is mobile, technically good and able to get stuck in if needs be.

As for today. We played badly, probably deserved to lose on the balance of play, yet still came away with a point. Also prefer us to have a bad performance and some injury bad luck in early August whilst the wndow is still open than it happening in early September

danperkins · 06-08-22, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredo

He’s not spot on to throw his toys out of the pram on the first day of the season, like you do.

Anyway, enjoy the moaning, I’ll be spending the day in the sun.

He's calling a spade a spade, nobody is throwing toys just stating the obvious which you are completely blind to.

Also I'm in Hvar so I ll be spending the day in the sun and pool in my speedos, so enjoy your back garden

Jaco_Pastorious · 06-08-22, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by danperkins

He's calling a spade a spade, nobody is throwing toys just stating the obvious which you are completely blind to.

Also I'm in Hvar so I ll be spending the day in the sun and pool in my speedos, so enjoy your back garden

pondus · 06-08-22, 02:49 PM

What’s the point with fucking VAR if they can’t see the Mitrobitch dive? Just bin it. Fucking useless cunts the lot of them.

danperkins · 06-08-22, 02:49 PM

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el matador · 06-08-22, 02:53 PM

Interesting game. We were outfought by an inferior team but in the end you have to be happy with a point because we didn’t deserve one. Plenty of work for jurgen to do.

Jaco_Pastorious · 06-08-22, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by el matador

Interesting game. We were outfought by an inferior team but in the end you have to be happy with a point because we didn’t deserve one. Plenty of work for jurgen to do.

Not seen you in a bit. Welcome back fella

el matador · 06-08-22, 02:56 PM

Been busy with business and young family. You guys ok?

Jaco_Pastorious · 06-08-22, 02:58 PM

I'm still sweetness and an all round delight.

The rest on here are still a gaggle of muppets though.

Venton · 06-08-22, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth

Milner was the difference between a draw and a loss imo.

Shite generally, especially the back five. VVD looked like Maguire when conceding the pen. Not an encouraging start, especially with another injury.

Fulham might do alright because they’ve worked out how to play PL refs quickly. Loads of ridiculous decisions for them today.

Agree about Milner, although it's a bit strange that we need someone of his advancing years to get us going. I also wonder if it's time to start trying Trent in midfield given our injury woes.

Catrin · 06-08-22, 03:31 PM

Out of possession they were very much on it and quite physical. A lot of borderline wrestling going on. In possession they looked pretty good to be fair. A better final ball a few times and things could have got worse for us. Our passing at times was uncharacteristically sloppy. There was a brief period where Thiago, Virg and Joel were passing the ball amongst themselves and several successive passes were off. Quite a wtf passage of play.
First half particularly Trent and Mo seeded to struggle against their intense pressing. Darwin coming on seemed to draw the attention away from them a bit and gave them more space.
Overall I think it was down to rustiness rather than complacency but they need to snap out of it quick.

Catrin · 06-08-22, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaco_Pastorious

I'm still sweetness and an all round delight.

The rest on here are still a gaggle of muppets though.

I guess that makes me Miss Piggy

Jaco_Pastorious · 06-08-22, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Catrin

I guess that makes me Miss Piggy

Your words not mine

Though you would not have been my first choice to be Miss Piggy from the current lot on here

Mr Pink · 06-08-22, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth

What are you talking about? What toys? I said we were crap, that Milner made a big difference and that Fulham cheated a lot. So shove it.

it’s hardly a surprise that people will be “moaning” in a match thread after we drop points in the opening game, to a newly promoted team, especially after that performance… better to be moaning about the game than moaning about other posters moaning.

Jaco_Pastorious · 06-08-22, 04:30 PM

Klopp in the after game interview saying Thiago's injury looks like it may be a bad one.

Pepe79 · 06-08-22, 04:36 PM

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Irishnev · 06-08-22, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaco_Pastorious

Klopp in the after game interview saying Thiago's injury looks like it may be a bad one.

Light in midfield, irreplaceable Thiago = guaranteed injury. Milner and Hendo starting games for the foreseeable…….Milner did well coming on today but we shouldn’t be relying on him

Charly · 06-08-22, 05:18 PM

Is Milner really able to press for 90 minutes twice a week? A good option from the bench, but should be temporary starter at best.

Really only leaves Jones. Carv and Elliott dont seem like midielders to me.
It is a bit worrying our lack of depth there. many of us were thinking that this time last year, but we got lucky with injuries.

I have thought Firmino is done as a top level striker for a while. I keep hoping he will prove me wrong though. He could have been an option for midfield. Dunno though. Just not sure why its not working for him. Too many injuries? Maybe he just needs games, but I dont see him getting too many.

Exiled_red · 06-08-22, 05:21 PM

Let's be honest that was as bad a performance as we've seen for a while, Fulham were by far the better side, we only played for about 15mins in total. That said if they hadn't got that pen I think we would have won, I thought we were building some momentum and it came just at the wrong time. I also thought it was a fairly soft one, silly from VVD to dangle a leg though.

I knew Nunez wouldn't start but I have to say I am baffled as to why, I know Klopp brings in new players slowly to learn the system etc, but the reality is that the system is completely different with Nunez playing in the front 3 to Firmino playing there. I like Bobby, he's done alot for us over the years but the reality now is that when everyone is fit he's a backup. I would be amazed if when everyone is fit the front three isn't Diaz, Nunez and Salah. I think Nunez is ready to start and getting everyone used to that system is something we need to do sooner rather than later.

Midfield today was a big problem they were out thought and out fought. We improved significantly when Milner came on, but I don't see him being able to put those performances in on a regular basis. We are going to E playing twice a week most of the time until the WC, no way he can do that. I am disappointed we didn't sign an new midfielder in the summer, and unless this injury puts Thiago out for much of the season I don't think it changes transfer plans. It's a big opportunity for someone now to step up, Elliott most likely, let's hope he's up to it.

Exiled_red · 06-08-22, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Charly

Is Milner really able to press for 90 minutes twice a week? A good option from the bench, but should be temporary starter at best.

Really only leaves Jones. Carv and Elliott dont seem like midielders to me.
It is a bit worrying our lack of depth there. many of us were thinking that this time last year, but we got lucky with injuries.

I have thought Firmino is done as a top level striker for a while. I keep hoping he will prove me wrong though. He could have been an option for midfield. Dunno though. Just not sure why its not working for him. Too many injuries? Maybe he just needs games, but I dont see him getting too many.

I think Carvalho is a forward at least for now. Jones and Elliott are midfielders but are still a little tactically naive as they are still learning the game I think they require the right players alongside them for the system to work. I feel Elliott is probably the further ahead in his development of the two because I feel we are trying to mould Jones into a different type of player to what I feel he naturally wants to be. If Thiago is out for any length of time we need at least one of them to step up.

Firmino is 5th choice now for me, front three are going to be Diaz, Nunez and Salah, with Jota coming in fairly frequently. I think the style of play we used has evolved and the role he played isn't as needed or as effective as it used to be.

Pepe79 · 06-08-22, 05:41 PM

Klopp also saying that Naby won’t definitely be back for next week.

Tribute · 06-08-22, 05:48 PM

Similar issue to the defensive injury issues we had a couple of seasons ago. Don’t we ever learn… ?!

Ox should have been sold pre-injury and a solid midfielder brought in to shore up our options. Thiago is a worldie, but always prone to long spells on the sidelines…

npinn001 · 06-08-22, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribute

Similar issue to the defensive injury issues we had a couple of seasons ago. Don’t we ever learn… ?!

Ox should have been sold pre-injury and a solid midfielder brought in to shore up our options. Thiago is a worldie, but always prone to long spells on the sidelines…

Agree. They should have shipped him out right away. But it does feel like we never planned to buy a midfielder either way. Normally we would line up the new player and the outgoing one at the same time, but we just don't seem to be in the mix.

Fuzzy · 06-08-22, 06:16 PM

That Paddy Power video sure aged well

el matador · 06-08-22, 06:20 PM

This team hasn’t been phased by too much over the last few years but occasionally we do struggle against physical teams. We wanted Tchouameni for a reason and just because he went to RM doesn’t negate the need for that type of physical presence. With respect to the likes of Keita, Milner and the younger ones like Elliott and Curtis jones the drop off from the first choice midfield is huge. JK can say we have a lot of midfielders but how many does he actually count on.

danperkins · 06-08-22, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by el matador

This team hasn’t been phased by too much over the last few years but occasionally we do struggle against physical teams. We wanted Tchouameni for a reason and just because he went to RM doesn’t negate the need for that type of physical presence. With respect to the likes of Keita, Milner and the younger ones like Elliott and Curtis jones the drop off from the first choice midfield is huge. JK can say we have a lot of midfielders but how many does he actually count on.

Big-Red-Ed · 06-08-22, 10:06 PM

All of our midfield 3 were bang average. Only Milner looked up to speed. Elliot showed glimpses.

YNWA

SB · 06-08-22, 11:03 PM

It’s the hope that kills us. Shit display & running out of numbers in midfield in the first week of the new season is unforgivable imo.

Jaco_Pastorious · 06-08-22, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SB

It’s the hope that kills us. Shit display & running out of numbers in midfield in the first week of the new season is unforgivable imo.

Nah it's hope that carries us along.

We get written off over and over, and time after time we find ways to scrape by until we find our stride again.

It is not great to already be missing four midfielders one game into a new season but as said earlier in the thread, better to have a few issues when we still have the time to do something about those issues than have the issues happen at the start of September and then have no choice at all until the WC break.

SB · 06-08-22, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaco_Pastorious

Nah it's hope that carries us along.

We get written off over and over, and time after time we find ways to scrape by until we find our stride again.

It is not great to already be missing four midfielders one game into a new season but as said earlier in the thread, better to have a few issues when we still have the time to do something about those issues than have the issues happen at the start of September and then have no choice at all until the WC break.

I’m just not sure we will do anything though which is what worries me. I’m hoping we started negotiating with someone when Ox went down

baitman · 07-08-22, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SB

I’m just not sure we will do anything though which is what worries me. I’m hoping we started negotiating with someone when Ox went down

If we only started any negotiations based on Ox breaking down then we would be dick heads.

Ox, Keita, thiago, Jones, all unreliable, milner and henderson can't cover all the games.
we have had plenty of bodies but often few are available. Once some of our first choice midfield is out then we are struggling.

Carvalho will be great, and elliot should also be really good, but it's too much to play both and expect them to anchor our teams challenge.

SB · 07-08-22, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by baitman

If we only started any negotiations based on Ox breaking down then we would be dick heads.

Ox, Keith, thiago, Jones, all unreliable, miner and henderson can't cover all the games.
we have had plenty of bodies but often few are available. Once some of our first choice midfield is out then we are struggling.

Carvalho will be great, and elliot should also be really good, but it's too much to play both and expect them to anchor our teams challenge.

I’m basing that on Klopp saying he’s happy with the squad & will only go into the market IF someone leaves OR we get an injury. That was before Sir Getscrockedalot got his latest injury & yeah we all know about the rest of our midfielders injury records.