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Old 10-12-18, 02:18 PM   #2161
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Oh well I have, nothing worse than that though and certainly with any level of vitriol.
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Old 10-12-18, 02:32 PM   #2162
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I mean if someone dives at a game, of course I shout "diving fucking cunt" along with everyone else but nothing that's pre-meditated or bigoted in any way.

You seemed to be saying you insult players because you dislike them, that was my (irrelevant) point.
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Old 10-12-18, 02:52 PM   #2163
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I mean if someone dives at a game, of course I shout "diving fucking cunt" along with everyone else but nothing that's pre-meditated or bigoted in any way.

You seemed to be saying you insult players because you dislike them, that was my (irrelevant) point.
I don't really dislike them at all, I just want to put them off their game.

Racism or bigotry? No way.
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Old 10-12-18, 10:46 PM   #2164
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Absolutely superb interview by Barnes. He nails it to the core. So articulate in the way he delivered his point.
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Old 11-12-18, 12:41 AM   #2165
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Isn't he fantastic.
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Old 11-12-18, 09:37 AM   #2166
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Old 11-12-18, 10:15 AM   #2167
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Isn't he fantastic.


The debate definitely deserves more than 7 mins on morning TV. He does incredibly well to make so many articulate points.

He makes some incredibly interesting observations particularly the one about Piers Morgan. He is a product of the protection afforded to the middle class white male. Also that the problem really needing addressing in everyday society as much as it is for celebrities.

I also agree that just because we don’t have racist chanting anymore doesn’t mean we don’t have racists- they just know to be quiet now.
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Old 11-12-18, 01:45 PM   #2168
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Tyrone Mings has pulled out of a Talkspite interview after comments by Dave Kitson.

Kitson declared there was no excuse for racism, and he'd be right. But he also said that players make themselves a target, which sounds a little bit like an excuse.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46520506
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Old 11-12-18, 01:49 PM   #2169
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Tyrone Mings has pulled out of a Talkspite interview after comments by Dave Kitson.

Kitson declared there was no excuse for racism, and he'd be right. But he also said that players make themselves a target, which sounds a little bit like an excuse.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46520506
It is fare to say Kitson doesn't get it.

How can a players profile make him a deserved target for racists? The issue has to be the behaviour of the racist, not the behaviour of the player who is abused.

All he is doing is proving the point that we have a long way to go.
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Old 11-12-18, 02:46 PM   #2170
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It is fare to say Kitson doesn't get it.

How can a players profile make him a deserved target for racists
? The issue has to be the behaviour of the racist, not the behaviour of the player who is abused.

All he is doing is proving the point that we have a long way to go.
That's not what he said. He said flaunting the lifestyle makes them 'a target' , not a target for racism. ie, people dislike him (and others who do it) because of it. And then he says there is no excuse for expressing that as racial abuse. I don't think there is anything controvertial in what he said tbh.
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Old 11-12-18, 02:55 PM   #2171
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That's not what he said. He said flaunting the lifestyle makes them 'a target' , not a target for racism. ie, people dislike him (and others who do it) because of it. And then he says there is no excuse for expressing that as racial abuse. I don't think there is anything controvertial in what he said tbh.
There is an inference given the debate is around racism, and the fact that the interpretation of the 'flaunting of lifestyle' has changed dependant on skin colour.

Its not much of a point then in the context of a debate around the racism that exists.
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Old 11-12-18, 04:01 PM   #2172
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It's Dave Kitson, it's fair to say it's not much of a point.
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Old 11-12-18, 04:11 PM   #2173
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Old 11-12-18, 04:24 PM   #2174
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what a hypocrite. But at least he identified why he's a target for hate and derision.
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Old 11-12-18, 04:26 PM   #2175
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It's Dave Kitson, it's fair to say it's not much of a point.
It's probably fair to say that he represents the wider issue quite well in that case.
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Old 11-12-18, 05:10 PM   #2176
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It's Dave Kitson, it's fair to say it's not much of a point.


I thought he was the go to man on cultural differences and racial identity in modern sport?

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It's probably fair to say that he represents the wider issue quite well in that case.
Yeah, he’s reinforcing Raheem Sterling’s point quite well.
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Old 11-12-18, 07:18 PM   #2177
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If we need to abuse Dave Kitson for racial balance, I'm in.
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Old 19-12-18, 11:26 PM   #2179
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So the police believe there was no racial intent but the magistrate believes otherwise? Am I reading that right?

Edit: this is regarding the banana skin case.
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Old 31-12-18, 04:45 PM   #2180
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Old 31-12-18, 05:09 PM   #2181
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I know there is the tired stereotype linking paedophilia and homosexuality but is nonce a derogatory term for gay people? Quite the debate going on in the replies.

Also, Kamara has been abused online with various references to race following on from his penalty miss
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Old 31-12-18, 05:20 PM   #2182
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Old 31-12-18, 07:33 PM   #2183
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surely the fella is not all there what grown man goes the game with his fucking face painted
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Old 31-12-18, 08:17 PM   #2184
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I know there is the tired stereotype linking paedophilia and homosexuality but is nonce a derogatory term for gay people? Quite the debate going on in the replies.

Also, Kamara has been abused online with various references to race following on from his penalty miss
Not necessarily, but I suppose he said 'gay nonce' which whether intended or not plays into the prejudiced idea of a link between homosexuality and paedophilia.

There's also some stuff on there suggesting the guy in the video has autism and/or learning difficulties and is being targeted by the person who posted it. What he did was obviously totally wrong, but posting the video is also malicious in my eyes and not just because of the overwhelming waves of abuse that will have been directed at the bloke. I mean, if you're the guy having the piss ripped out of him, you're only going to feel worse that loads of people have seen it.

I love the internet but fuck me there's some vindictive people out there.
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Old 31-12-18, 09:06 PM   #2185
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surely the fella is not all there what grown man goes the game with his fucking face painted
Some people are saying he is, if not autistic, is 'on the spectrum'

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Not necessarily, but I suppose he said 'gay nonce' which whether intended or not plays into the prejudiced idea of a link between homosexuality and paedophilia.

There's also some stuff on there suggesting the guy in the video has autism and/or learning difficulties and is being targeted by the person who posted it. What he did was obviously totally wrong, but posting the video is also malicious in my eyes and not just because of the overwhelming waves of abuse that will have been directed at the bloke. I mean, if you're the guy having the piss ripped out of him, you're only going to feel worse that loads of people have seen it.

I love the internet but fuck me there's some vindictive people out there.
Ay, well the first bit is stupid then. To fight one ism while exhibiting other dodgy behaviours is rather hypocritical, and yeah. Seen the other comments too
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