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Old 23-08-12, 08:48 AM   #1
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I think he deserves his own thread.

Another sublime run yesterday moving up in distance and blowing away the field.

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Blistering Frankel scorches away from York rivals
Unbeaten champion takes step up to 10 furlongs in stride amid jubilant scenes

One of the constables deputed to shepherd him towards the saddling boxes looked up and saw Frankel being led out of the pre-parade ring. "Now," he muttered to his colleague. "Here comes Seabiscuit."

Never again be deceived by the trite consensus that only hoary old steeplechasers ever stick around long enough to find a meaningful niche in the hearts of the racing public. During the previous race, which happened to be the main trial for the season's final Classic, not one of the hundreds who had staked out a few square inches round the pre-parade ring, saddling area and paddock was prepared to forfeit his or her precious portion of Yorkshire. They stood so deep, their backs to a gripping finish out on the track, that most could only mark Frankel's progress by the cameras and cellphones rising sequentially aloft, like flowers opening before the sun.

Those who did glimpse him could testify that the burnished champion indeed exuded an almost solar brilliance. And those mortal creatures who dared to stand in his path, as he sought his first win beyond a mile, were duly left scorched and blackened in his wake. Frankel ran away with the Juddmonte International Stakes in much the same fashion that he had won a dozen previous starts – the last eight now Group Ones, a record sequence – plainly a class apart from any thoroughbred on earth, not to mention, or so the suspicion grows, most past paragons whose bones now rest in its soil.

Relief surged through the crowd. This had been one of those rare sporting occasions when everyone wanted only ceremony, not competition. John Magnier, the Coolmore boss, even sought out Lord Grimthorpe – racing manager to Frankel's owner, Khaled Abdulla – to advise their intentions for St Nicholas Abbey and his two pacemakers, and to assure him that there would be "no funny business" to thwart the favourite.

Onlookers had been aghast at the emaciation of Sir Henry Cecil, whose six-year struggle with cancer had prevented him getting to Goodwood for his champion's previous start. Horse and trainer alike have become so precious that anticipation was laced with dread. Sure enough, when Tom Queally allowed Frankel to amble from the rear to join St Nicholas Abbey, halfway up the straight, an exuberant roar swelled through the stands – which housed a crowd up 50 per cent on last year, to more than 30,000. Children were hoisted upon shoulders, perplexed witnesses to proceedings that might some day be recalled with boastful clarity. And Frankel came bounding clear, under hands and heels, to see off Farhh by seven lengths, the latter in turn just holding St Nicholas Abbey. Farhh's rider, Frankie Dettori, returned grinning and shaking his head, re-enacting his fruitless shoving in pursuit of the invincible.

Cecil and Frankel were each accorded three raucous cheers in the winner's enclosure. His throat weak, Cecil whispered gratitude. "That was great, wasn't it?" he asked. "Great for Yorkshire – they love their racing, and they deserve to see him." The whole thing, he avowed, made him feel "20 years better".

In some, however, the euphoria will have a bittersweet edge. Could anyone sensibly suggest, now, that another 352 yards in the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe might represent a reckless gamble with Frankel's potency? Greatness suffuses Frankel's every step, but Cecil has been reluctant to measure it in ways better calculated to quantify his ultimate standing in the Turf pantheon. This was almost certainly Frankel's penultimate start, and the chances are that he will complete his career at Ascot on 20 October – condemned, thereby, to two months of idleness and an eternity, for every other racing nation, as some parochial mystery of the British Turf.

Grimthorpe did not wholly dismiss the Arc, for which Frankel would have to be supplemented. "Henry didn't want to put him in the Arc, so obviously that would have to be discussed," he said. "That choice will be Prince Khaled's, but we'll have to see. The plan was always Ascot, and it's just a question of how he comes out and where we go from there."

He reiterated that Santa Anita's decision to restore dirt, after an experiment with a synthetic surface, had always counted against a swansong at the Breeders' Cup – though he acknowledged the appeal of taking the colt named in his memory to the old stamping ground of the late trainer Bobby Frankel. "Prince Khaled loves the Breeders' Cup and we'd love to take Frankel to Santa Anita, Bobby's hometown," he said. "The emotional ties would be just too fantastic. But unfortunately maybe the right race is not there. We're not going to take him on dirt first time around."

Going for the Arc, of course, would open up the possibility of the Breeders' Cup Turf instead. But Queally sagely cautioned against any counsel that implied ingratitude to those who have shown such mastery in bringing Frankel even this far. "People are very fast to look at a racecard and say he should win," Queally said. "It's not easy to get any horse to the races and win every time. Years have gone into this horse, from a lot of people all the way back to those who brought him into the world on day one."

Sponsored as it is by the same Juddmonte Farms, where they reared their own champion, this race has long been a special target for Abdulla's team. "You get so spoilt," Grimthorpe said. "I don't want to sound arrogant, but the expectations every time he runs are just enormous – and it's fantastic the way he keeps delivering, time after time. But that's Frankel. I have never seen anything like it."
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Old 23-08-12, 08:59 AM   #2
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His next race will be his last though.
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His next race will be his last though.
Is that a threat?




I know he's an unbelievable horse but I find it hard to get overly excited by a horse running fast. It's just a horse isn't it?
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Old 23-08-12, 09:01 AM   #4
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Yep.

Looking like Ascot on the 20th October then off to stud.
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Old 23-08-12, 12:38 PM   #6
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The Breeders' would be a ridiculous decision. Frankel has never run full out on dirt, and trying it now after a five thousand mile flight would be insanity. Look what happened to Black Caviar after a long journey and a race on unfamiliar turf.

The l'Arc is interesting. I don't think the extra furlongs would be an issue. He stepped up the extra twenty chains without any bother, and the animal's ability to separate on the final stretch would be something to see at Longchamp, like Seabird tearing the field up in '65.

The only issue is, for the right 'hype' to go to stud, he'd have to win it by a mile, like he does the shorter races. The money is all about the sprint ability.

Besides, I think Ascot is a more appealing prospect. Camelot has been entered into the Champions too. It's not often you get two undefeated super horses going head-to-head. The romantic dream would be the two of them at the l'Arc, but I just don't see it. Let them go at it at Ascot over ten, let one of the records fall. Camelot could be a Triple Crown winner by then. So you'd have the first TC since Nijinsky versus the greatest horse ever.
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The Breeders' would be a ridiculous decision. Frankel has never run full out on dirt, and trying it now after a five thousand mile flight would be insanity. Look what happened to Black Caviar after a long journey and a race on unfamiliar turf.

The l'Arc is interesting. I don't think the extra furlongs would be an issue. He stepped up the extra twenty chains without any bother, and the animal's ability to separate on the final stretch would be something to see at Longchamp, like Seabird tearing the field up in '65.

The only issue is, for the right 'hype' to go to stud, he'd have to win it by a mile, like he does the shorter races. The money is all about the sprint ability.

Besides, I think Ascot is a more appealing prospect. Camelot has been entered into the Champions too. It's not often you get two undefeated super horses going head-to-head. The romantic dream would be the two of them at the l'Arc, but I just don't see it. Let them go at it at Ascot over ten, let one of the records fall. Camelot could be a Triple Crown winner by then. So you'd have the first TC since Nijinsky versus the greatest horse ever.
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The Breeders' would be a ridiculous decision. Frankel has never run full out on dirt, and trying it now after a five thousand mile flight would be insanity. Look what happened to Black Caviar after a long journey and a race on unfamiliar turf.

The l'Arc is interesting. I don't think the extra furlongs would be an issue. He stepped up the extra twenty chains without any bother, and the animal's ability to separate on the final stretch would be something to see at Longchamp, like Seabird tearing the field up in '65.

The only issue is, for the right 'hype' to go to stud, he'd have to win it by a mile, like he does the shorter races. The money is all about the sprint ability.

Besides, I think Ascot is a more appealing prospect. Camelot has been entered into the Champions too. It's not often you get two undefeated super horses going head-to-head. The romantic dream would be the two of them at the l'Arc, but I just don't see it. Let them go at it at Ascot over ten, let one of the records fall. Camelot could be a Triple Crown winner by then. So you'd have the first TC since Nijinsky versus the greatest horse ever.


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I gree with most you have written

Are you saying that Frankel is the greatest horse ever. For me he would be top 5 behind

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I was more talking about how the race will be promoted. Frankel's Timeform rating is the highest ever, so on the circuit it would be acceptable to forward him as the greatest ever. Trying to make a list with an individual horse on top is folly if you ask me. Some horses are protected better than others, and over time there's no way of evenly evaluating them.

The horse I most would have liked to see in the flesh was Citation. Colonial Trip Crown winner in 48. Romped home in Kentucky and won the Preakness by six lengths. Tied the Belmont course record securing the Crown. Won 19 races that season alone.

If you think about it, Man O War had 20 wins from 21 when he was retired at the end of his three year old campaign, and Secretariat had 16 wins from 21 when retired at the same time. Citation would have had 27 wins from 29 if they'd studded him then, but they kept racing him until he was six (and he missed his entire four year old season with injury). And four of his later defeats came at the hands of Noor, who in 1950 had one of the great American seasons, slashing course records all over the place. If they'd retired Citation at three, he'd probably be remembered as the greatest American horse ever.
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I understand where you are coming from now, with the race promotion. Citation was indeed a fantastic racehourse. Its shame the owners blighted his record by not putting him to stud earlier
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I feel the opposite. I'd like to see horses allowed to run. For me, the loses Citation suffered when he was five and six don't detract from the fact he was one of the greatest three year olds ever. If they were allowed to run a little longer we'd see more superhorses running against each other. If they'd put Citation to stud he never would have raced Noor. Noor won the head-to-heads 4-1, but he torched world and course records, and Citations runner's up times also beat the previous records. They must have been amazing races to watch, between what were basically the two fastest horses ever at that point in history.
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Hopefully Frankel goes for the Arc, winning that race would absolutely cement his greatness. Camelot the only conceivable danger.
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I feel the opposite. I'd like to see horses allowed to run. For me, the loses Citation suffered when he was five and six don't detract from the fact he was one of the greatest three year olds ever. If they were allowed to run a little longer we'd see more superhorses running against each other. If they'd put Citation to stud he never would have raced Noor. Noor won the head-to-heads 4-1, but he torched world and course records, and Citations runner's up times also beat the previous records. They must have been amazing races to watch, between what were basically the two fastest horses ever at that point in history.
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Hopefully Frankel goes for the Arc, winning that race would absolutely cement his greatness. Camelot the only conceivable danger.
Seeing the two of them going over there and trampling one-two over a high class French field would be glorious.
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Seeing the two of them going over there and trampling one-two over a high class French field would be glorious.
Sure would. It would be an utterly fascinating duel, the step up in distance again for Frankel meeting the double Derby winner who has won his races in a canter. O'Brien also thinks that Camelot is as good as anything he has trained. Would make for an unmissable contest.
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Frankel was at his majestic best as he went in retirement after making it a perfect 14 victories in the QIPCO Champion Stakes at Ascot.

The world's highest-rated racehorse, trained by Sir Henry Cecil, won his 10th Group One race with a trademark display of pure brilliance - despite being slowly away from the stalls and running in very testing conditions.

Sent off the 2-11 favourite, Khalid Abdullah's wonder colt took up the running from Cirrus Des Aigles over a furlong out under his ever-present jockey Tom Queally and pulled away from the French raider to win cosily by a length and three-quarters.

Cecil said: "He didn't like the crowd much but he was very relaxed.

"He's the best I've ever had. He's the best I've ever seen. I'd be surprised if there's ever been any better."

Abdullah confirmed Frankel had run his last race and would to be retired to stud.

He said: "That is the end of it and he will retire."

With Frankel missing the break by a couple of lengths, Ian Mongan on Bullet Train, Frankel's brother and regular pacemaker, was left looking for his stablemate.

However, Queally let the horse make up the ground in his own time and join the other five runners.

Meanwhile, Cirrus Des Aigles had gone to the front until Bullet Train went on to do the job he is used to.

Cirrus Des Aigles, rated the second best in the field, tried to stretch Frankel by going on early in the straight but the great horse was simply too good.

Nathaniel was two and a half lengths away in third.

This was only Frankel's second race over 10 furlongs, having stepped up from a mile for the first time at York in August in the Juddmonte International Stakes, sponsored by his owner.

His previous 12 victories before that had come over seven furlongs and a mile, and included the 2000 Guineas at Newmarket, the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes at this meeting 12 months ago as well as the St James's Palace Stakes and the Queen Anne Stakes on this track.

Queally said: "He's just getting more and more relaxed as time goes on.

"He waited until the gates were open then he was away.

"I was happy all the way but there's no doubt he's better on better ground. His class showed today.

"I walked the track and I was a little worried about the conditions.

"Having walked it in the home straight I knew it wasn't too heavy for him to quicken up.

"You want every angle covered and everything in your favour, so in that respect there was always a little worry, but he was in great heart today and he looked a lot better than he did 12 months ago on this day.

"He was so good today, even on that ground."
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• Australia's star mare lined up for possible return to Ascot
• Black Caviar may have date with Frankel at Newmarket

Black Caviar, Australia's unbeaten mare, could be sent on the holiday of a lifetime this summer. She is being lined up to be Royal Ascot's star turn followed by a date with the record-breaking colt Frankel, a prospective mating which has the international bloodstock industry salivating.

A foal from the mating – in Newmarket, possibly in August – would be feted as the progeny of the two best horses of the last half-century. An equine equivalent, perhaps, of Marilyn Monroe and Errol Flynn, or Penιlope Cruz and Johnny Depp.

Peter Moody, who trains Black Caviar, said his mare could attempt a 2013 Ascot double – the King's Stand and the Diamond Jubilee Stakes four days later. She seemed sure to be retired after scraping home in the Diamond Jubilee last June but the mare made a comeback in February and extended her unbeaten record to 24 at Moonee Valley on Friday.

"Australian racing really deserves her but the feeling I am getting from the owners is that they would very much like to come again [to Ascot]," said Moody.

Black Caviar's owners would have to pay £125,000 to be covered by Frankel, who retired to stud in Newmarket after a 14-race unbeaten run. Frankel's biggest successes came at a mile or 10 furlongs, while the mare is known as the best sprinter in the world.

"I joked about it previously but I don't think it would be a silly mating," Moody said. "Physically they are quite well matched and it would certainly create a lot of interest – a colt or a filly by Frankel out of Black Caviar."

At The Curragh on Sunday night Aidan O'Brien worked a battalion of his horses after racing. He galloped 68 horses in four groups, including triple Classic winner Camelot.

Of the three-year-olds, O'Brien worked Mars, Cristoforo Colombo and the Breeders' Cup scorer George Vancouver. An absentee was his 2,000 Guineas fancy Kingsbarns, who is recovering from a foot infection which could see him miss the Guineas at Newmarket in early May.

With many of the participants difficult to identify, Camelot, the 2,000 Guineas, Derby and Irish Derby winner last year, stood out from everything else – cruising up from the rear in his group to pass the post in front without being extended.

Eye-catchers who could be identified included Mars and Battle Of Marengo, who are among O'Brien's numerous Epsom entries. Mars ran on well in his group, while Battle Of Marengo finished strongly in behind Camelot and must be of interest over middle-distances.

O'Brien said later that Mars would possibly run in the 2,000 Guineas, adding: "Camelot is a big, gassy horse. He was fresh early on, but it was so great to see the horse in that form.

"He will probably start off in the Mooresbridge Stakes or the Alleged Stakes, and then go on to the Tattersalls Gold Cup.

"Coming here, we weren't sure if Mars was a Guineas or a horse for a Derby trial, but we were so happy with the way he worked it's very possible he'll go straight to the Guineas.

"The three Henrys [sons of Henrythenavigator] – Cristoforo Colombo, Pedro The Great and George Vancouver – all worked well and we are really happy with them. All three will also run in the 2,000 Guineas. George Vancouver went really well and he's one to have a fiver on each-way in the Guineas.

"Snow Queen probably looked a filly for the 1,000 Guineas. I was very, very happy with Moth as well. Battle Of Marengo will probably start off in a Derby trial somewhere."
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Old 20-05-13, 04:44 PM   #18
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Wasn't sure if this Godolphin thing deserved its own thread - perhaps we can change the title of this one to General Nagmongery?

Encke has tested positive and will be banned for six months. But it won St Leger at 25s last year, denying Camelot the Triple Crown. Which is interesting in light of this fucking debacle.
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Unbelievable. I wonder how long they've been doing this and getting away with it? When they arrived on the scene in the mid 90s they practically won everything.
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It's not about the horse.

Although I suppose it might be about the Horse.
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Unbelievable. I wonder how long they've been doing this and getting away with it? When they arrived on the scene in the mid 90s they practically won everything.
Rather worrying isn't it. Like you say they turned up and took over - now you have to think why?

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Camelot has been retired.

Coolmore must still be pissed about losing the St Leger, and the Triple Crown, to Encke. That would have been history right there.
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Using this as a general nagsmithery thread again, anyone see the Kentucky? California Chrome looks a beast. Basically ran it home backwards on the straight. It shat the western derby at Santa Anita too. Bit early to start talking triple crown, but it is going to Baltimore for the Preakness a week on Saturday. Belmont is three weeks after that.

Curious horse, as it wasn't hugely successful as a two-year old until right at the end of the year. Suddenly seemed to work it all. Needed minimal urging in the wins at Santa Anita and Kentucky.

Been thirty six years since a trip crown winner in the States. There was a photo-finish at Belmont in the 1990s that denied someone, and I'll Have Another won the Kentucky and Preakness a couple of years ago, but pulled out of Belmont.
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sounds like it needs a drug test

if all looks good then suspect replacement horse urine
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California Chrome won the Preakness yesterday. Ran away from the pack off the final bend with two furlongs to go. Ride on Curlin ran him back a bit over the last furlong but couldn't catch up.

Three weeks to Belmont now. Be interesting to see how he runs over twelve furlongs.
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Big day on the ponies. Derby at 4 over here, then the Belmont at about 11.45 tonight in New York. California Chrome is currently odds on to win the race and the colonial Trip Crown. Which is nuts.
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Mods Can we change this thread name to horse racing or summat?

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That's possible two exclamation marks too many.

Sad news indeed.
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Forgot we had this thread. Should have posted about American Pharoah in here. Fantastic season.

Sad news about Kauto Star. They're weren't doing any stupid cross country stuff with him, were they? Just the dressage steps as I understood. Must simply have been a fall galloping about.
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Bump....only because I was at Cheltenham today. First time ever watching and whilst I went there unsure about the day I actually really enjoyed it. Sprinter Sacre...what a great story and comeback. Will do this again for sure, even got the steam train to the course and the weather was decent. Anyone else go, or going this week?

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Pendleton 5th.

Pretty impressive.
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Had a decent enough Tuesday and Wednesday.

Initially was only going to do a £1 win Lucky 15 for the whole festival but as I got 2 winners from my first 2 runners I had a Lucky 15 Thursday and Friday. Dreadful.

Final leg of my initial Lucky 15 was Cue Card in the Gold Cup. Would have been £170 ish if it had won. Ah well.
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Irish national on soon. Tulisa Jack and Captain Von Trappe both 50/1
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Old 09-04-16, 01:53 PM   #36
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My picks

Saint Are 16s (2nd last year)
Boston Bob 33s
Unioniste 33s

did a treble reverse combination just in case!
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A bit wet up there.
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Was going to go for Silviniaco Conti but with the wet weather I don't think it has a chance. Not sure what to go with instead.
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21. Goonyella (Jim Dreaper)

Rating out of 10: 6

Stamina will certainly not be a concern for a horse who would stay six miles if needed, but did not seem to take to the fences in December. More rain the better for his chance.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/horse-...-guide-7699822
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Rule the world timed that perfectly.
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