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Old 05-02-14, 02:16 AM   #1
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T20 World Cup

Anyway, KP's gone now. So moving on with the team I think they'll pick. Lots can happen in the Windies before the World Cup and I'm sure Giles (or whoever is in charge) will try out a number of options.

Our batting obviously looks weaker without a certain someone but is still strong and packed with destructive batsman who are proven in the T20 format. It's the bowling I worry about, we were routinely being thumped to all parts in Australia. Bresnan, the spinners and Dernbach especially were hit to all parts. Jimmy must come back. If your number 11 is batting in these games then you've probably lost anyway, so the fact he's a rabbit doesn't matter, he'll offer some control (hopefully) and he's ace in the field. Maybe there is a way back for Finn too if he does well in the West Indies? Maybe Jordon or another youngster might find themselves in contention. I've really no idea what spinner to chose. I'd probably go Briggs just because he's young and will learn a lot. Tredwell is probably not good enough, but in reality they are probably both as bad as each other. Anyone else in the reckoning?

If I had to pick now I'd go with:

Hales
Lumb
Wright
Morgan
Butler
Root
Bopara
Stokes
Broad
Briggs
Anderson
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Old 05-02-14, 03:09 PM   #2
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Id certainly go with Morgan and Butler. Both did alright in the ODI and T20 games.

Hales and Lumb had to go and open too, this ODI series has to be seen as a warm up to the T20 WC
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Luke Wright is awful, not sure about Root either - Lumb and Hales are both hit and miss for my liking
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Luke Wright is awful, not sure about Root either - Lumb and Hales are both hit and miss for my liking
Luke Write is a very proficient T20 player and has done well at the Big Bash.
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Old 06-02-14, 02:28 PM   #6
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S Broad (Nottinghamshire - captain), E Morgan (Middlesex - vice captain), M Ali (Worcestershire), R Bopara (Essex), T Bresnan (Yorkshire), J Buttler (Lancashire), J Dernbach (Surrey), H Gurney (Nottinghamshire), A Hales (Nottinghamshire), C Jordan (Sussex), M Lumb (Nottinghamshire), S Parry (Lancashire), J Root (Yorkshire), B Stokes (Durham), J Tredwell (Kent), L Wright (Sussex)


Dernbach? Hes the worst player I have seen for England for years!
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Old 06-02-14, 02:30 PM   #7
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How does he keep getting in? It's fucking unreal.
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So I take it as Cook cant be bothered going to the Windies he has been replaced as ODI captain?

I assume the 6 week break before they get out there to play the games wasn't enough? I know I am more of a fan of Cook than most, but if this is the start of a new Era. Why isnt he there?

Makes no sense.
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Luke Write is a very proficient T20 player and has done well at the Big Bash.
Yet failed for England - Again
Vs Austrailia 2014

First T20 - 9 Runs - 1/18 off 1
Second T20 - 0 runs - DNB
third T20 - 8 Runs - DNB

Strike rate if the two innings he scored didn't reach 100 either.

Below id the big bash figs - Hardly set it alight

Bat & Bowl Team Opposition Ground Match Date Scorecard
13, 0/6 Melb Stars v Hurricanes Melbourne 4 Feb 2014 T20
13 Melb Stars v Scorchers Melbourne 27 Jan 2014 T20
0/7, 52 Melb Stars v Hurricanes Melbourne 21 Jan 2014 T20
1/25, 37 Melb Stars v Heat Brisbane 11 Jan 2014 T20
1/11, 49 Melb Stars v Strikers Melbourne 9 Jan 2014 T20
17 Melb Stars v Melb Reneg Melbourne (Docklands) 4 Jan 2014 T20
0/12, 9 Melb Stars v Syd Thunder Sydney 1 Jan 2014 T20
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its missing an experienced explosive batsman - hmmm I wonder where we could get one of those from
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Old 06-02-14, 07:14 PM   #11
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Wright got 3 decent scores in his 7 games according to your stats which included a 50 (which is the equivelent of a hundred in other forms of the game) So not bad. Also, the 17 he scored in the last game isn't bad for T20 either. Depends on context of the game ect.

He's a good solid one day player and would get into most T20 sides. He's not your star batsman but he can play an important role for the side.
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Old 06-02-14, 07:18 PM   #12
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Who the fuck is Moeen Ali? Never seen him play. According to wiki he's 26, left handed bat and bowls right arm off spin. Alongside Tredwell he's the only other spinner in the T20 squad! Tredwell is so average this guy might get a game. Chance for him to stake a claim for a spot in the test side
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Voted 2nd Division player of the year apparently. Scored bucket loads of runs.
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Moeen Ali has been talked about a lot as a future star but his first class average is still only 37. And he's about 27 years old now too.
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Missing players hamper Giles' audition

Like arriving for a job interview with blood on your suit and stains on your CV, Ashley Giles knows that England's recent form can hardly have helped his case to be the team's next head coach.

Giles, England's limited-overs coach since the start of 2013, has made it clear he would like to be in charge in all formats of the game, but goes into the ODI series against West Indies, starting in Antigua on Friday, knowing his side have lost six of their last eight ODIs and five of their last six T20 internationals. It is not a record that does his case any favours.

The final of the Champions Trophy seems long ago. Then, in June, England appeared to be pretty much on track for the World Cup in 2015 as a team missing the injured Kevin Pietersen and Graeme Swann went within an ace of winning their first global ODI tournament.

But instead of building for the World Cup, the foundations appear to have crumbled. Swann and Pietersen have gone, Jonathan Trott is absent and the results in Australia - England won one and lost seven limited-overs matches - inspire little confidence.

Perhaps it is unfair to judge Giles on such statistics. He had, after all, something close to a B team with which to work in Australia and, with Andy Flower hardly the sort to release the reins, has never enjoyed the opportunity to select or coach a side exactly the way he would have liked.

That has not changed entirely even now. With their eye, reasonably enough, on the larger prize - the World T20 starts in Bangladesh in just over two weeks - England have arrived in Antigua with a team of T20 specialists, missing several of their key ODI players. As a result, Giles is risking going into the business stages of the application for the England role with a record that could make it hard for the ECB to give him the job.

Underlining the inexperience of this England team is the fact that Tuesday's warm-up match represented Stuart Broad's first experience of captaincy in 50-over cricket at any level in his entire career. If Eoin Morgan is forced to miss Friday's game with a knee injury sustained in the field on Tuesday, England may have two debutants (Moeen Ali and Alex Hales) in the top five as well, with Ben Stokes and Chris Jordan little more experienced. Ravi Bopara, going into his 100th ODI, has suddenly emerged as a senior player.

Instead of Cook and Bell, England will have Luke Wright and Hales to face the new ball. And instead of Trott, they will have Stokes at No. 3. It could give them the fast start they require to take pressure off the middle-order. Or it could see them 30 for 3 and expose the middle-order.

"There will be a bit of a shift on how we play in England," Broad revealed. "You look at that Champions Trophy when we had a lot of success through, not being defensive, but stacking it up at the back end.

"But when you play abroad, as was evident in Australia, you can't be 130 after 30, you've got to look to be more like 160 so you're not as reliant on people like Morgs and Buttler to get us up towards 300.

"So I think there's a bit of change in mind set to push our score a bit beyond 130 after the first 30 to take a bit of pressure off the guys at the end. We've got world-class players there but you can't expect them to do it every time. The players are pretty excited about executing that."

Death bowling is another area requiring improvement. With Broad sometimes making the somewhat surprising decision to bowl his full allocation of overs before the end and James Anderson missing, England were sometimes badly exposed in Australia with a surfeit of slower balls failing to mask the lack of yorkers.

"We've got strong areas we need to improve on in ODI cricket," Broad said. "I think our death bowling is somewhere where we need our skills to improve. Of course that comes with yorkers and our change-ups and that will also help us in Bangladesh. The pitches there can be pretty good to bat on so getting up in the hole is important. The bowlers have been having a good focus on their yorker bowling."

England's training session was again hit by rain on Thursday, but without causing any meaningful disruption. While the change from Flower's influence to Giles' is not always obvious, it has become apparent that, at long last, the England coaches are ensuring that bowlers are not allowed to bowl no-balls in the nets or training sessions.

There are a couple of areas for optimism for England. For a start, West Indies' own form is little better. They have won just three of their last nine ODIs against Test-playing opposition and they are missing several of their best players - notably Chris Gayle, Kieron Pollard and Kemar Roach - through injury.

England also possess, especially if Morgan is fit, an exciting middle order. The Morgan-Buttler-Bopara spine has proved an effective accelerator in recent times, building on foundations laid by the likes of Ian Bell, Alastair Cook and Trott.

That has always been a controversial tactic. While some believe England's policy of accumulation has been their greatest strength, others feel it has held them back. So in this series, England will explore the possibilities of a more aggressive approach at the start of their innings.

In a professional sport where attention to detail is advocated in all things, it has long been an absurdity that England's bowlers over-stepped in training but then expected to hit exact lengths and avoid no-balls in match situations. It is a small detail, but an important one and may yet make the difference between a win and a loss over the next few weeks.
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Brilliant catch from Jordan.

Windies 19-1
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The collapse is on!

205-5

270 needed with about 8 overs left.
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211-6 59 off 42 required.
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clutching defeat from jaws of victory - 30 odd for 4 to winning ..................
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171-2 to 248-6

22 needed off the last over
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awful, we are like the aussies 18months ago. amazing how quickly teams capitulate.
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We are shite but any win over England is good enough for me.
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Blessing in disguise - Don't want Ashley "king of S***" anywhere near this lot
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England 105-7 chasing 161 to win

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I wish Swanny would just fuck off. Sick of his bleating. He's terrible on TMS.
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England attempting to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory again.

As I say that Bresnan just bowled em out
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England attempting to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory again.

As I say that Bresnan just bowled em out
Bresnan is a terrible death bowler. When under pressure he almost always goes for plenty and if he plays in the T20 world cup he'll be hit to all parts.

Great game for Butler - some of those shots! He's going to be a superstar. Him, Stokes and Root are going to be the mainstay for years to come.
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Pretty feeble effort yesterday.
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it looks like we need a complete break - just withdraw from all cricket for the year. drop everyone involved, take a big break and start planning/building and come back in 12 months time fresher, revitalised and organised and start again
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We were good in the 50 over series.
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Bresnan dropped yesterday and we won
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Ffs stokes out the world cup after injuring his hand in a fight with a dressing room locker after his dismissal in the last game. What an idiot.

Even worse, England have called up Woaks as a replacement. Woaks ffs! Fucking Woaks!!!!!
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We are going to get destroyed.
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