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23-08-18, 06:07 PM
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Great to hear, topscorer.
Is he a midfield midget or a beefy destroyer?
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23-08-18, 06:14 PM
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He's very small, which is the main doubt everyone has about him.
But played against a huge dude several years older than him yesterday and stopped him getting into the game and as you can see from the stats the big dude didn't stop Thomas, except when he fouled him several times! |
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23-08-18, 06:15 PM
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170cms, 60kgs
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23-08-18, 10:28 PM
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24-08-18, 08:10 AM
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Just discovered this thread! Great read and I hope it goes well!
I shall be following this thread with a lot of interest! |
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24-08-18, 09:32 AM
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 Me too. I have seen the title a few times and thought it was a 'Better call Saul' type of thead Interesting reading and good luck to the little fella 
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12-10-18, 12:11 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
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#giveThomasatrial
PLEASE READ - URGENT HELP NEEDED
Guys, situation is not good and I need help quick. Thomas has still been unable to play football in England because the English FA have not given him international clearance. He's already missed several opportunities for trials as a result and has not been able to play any competitive games with Southport, with whom he is registered to request international clearance. I want to challenge Article 19 of FIFA regulations in the court of law as an infringement on our civil liberties as UK citizens. I need a law firm or advocacy group that will be willing to take on this case pro bono. I hope this can have an impact in a similar way to the Bosman ruling of 1995. If you know anyone that might be able to help please PM me, I'm desperate. I cannot believe that a British citizen is unable to play amateur football in his country of birth! Last edited by topscorer; 12-10-18 at 12:19 AM. |
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12-10-18, 12:41 AM
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Hang on, he has a UK passport and is a British citizen? What's the issue exactly?
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12-10-18, 09:18 AM
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No idea how to help, but I really hope the situation gets sorted out for the lad.
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12-10-18, 10:15 AM
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Yep, he's an English born UK citizen but using FIFA Article 19 because he is a minor they want me to prove that I am returning to my own country for non footballing reasons or they won't give him clearance to play amateur football in his own country of citizenship and birth. I don't believe it is the intention of article 19 to prevent minors from playing in a country where they have citizenship and if that is the intention then it needs to be challenged in court because a non government organisation based in a foreign country should not be able to restrict the civil rights of a citizen for non footballing reasons. But besides that, I've provided them with a letter telling them that I am self employed and here for work but they are interrogating me with questions and also demanding documents from my wife to prove she has a work VISA. She isn't fucking working in the UK and doesn't want to so she doesn't need one and anyway they aren't immigration so they've no fucking right to ask. |
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12-10-18, 10:23 AM
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Immigration is a absolute clusterfuck at the moment (and has been for a decade or more). If you get enough pressure on them, perhaps even the media angle you may have some success but i don't have any anecdotal evidence to back that up i'm afraid, just a suggestion.
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12-10-18, 10:43 AM
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12-10-18, 10:59 AM
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I think players with more than one citizenship should be free to play in any country where they have citizenship regardless of age and reason for living in that country. I actually think a player should be able to play in any country where they are legally resident but I know that's much more controversial and I know that the intention of article 19 is to prevent exploitation of minors. Personally I don't think it's exploiting a minor if they are getting the opportunity to receive quality education and life experiences that they would not normally be able to get as long as that's something that the parent of legal guardian wants for their child. The problem is I've seen stories of exploitation of minors, especially African players taken to Asian countries so I understand the need for something. However article 19 is not for for purpose as it is now and what my son is experiencing at the moment is clear encroachment on national law and citizenship rights IMO. |
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12-10-18, 11:12 AM
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Paisley
Join Date: Jul 2006
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How does article 19 apply to the youngsters who fill the academy's of Premier League clubs? A good proportion of those lads are under 19 and not UK citizens.
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12-10-18, 11:38 AM
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I think it doesn't apply to players from the EU, for non EU minors the rule should apply. http://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/t...rticle-19.ashx https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/aff...s_en_33410.pdf |
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23-11-18, 12:59 PM
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Dalglish
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Thomas still cannot play. I'm trying to find a lawyer that will work pro bono and I'm looking to take the story to the media.
His agent knows someone at scum rag and obviously I said no to any help from them. Hopefully the story is of enough interest that someone will run it and be on our side! Here is an email I've sent to a lawyer requesting help, this will give you all an update of what's going on :- Dear [retracted] You have been recommended to me by [retracted] of [retracted] . I want to tell you up front that I cannot afford a lawyer and I am looking for someone that can help pro bono, or if you feel that their is an opportunity to sue for compensation giving whatever share of that you require. If you cannot work pro bono or for a percentage of any compensation then I completely understand and respect that and I highlight my financial situation at the beginning of my email so that you do not waste any time unnecessarily. I am hoping you will see this case as one that can be played out in the media and thus gain publicity for your law firm that would justify working on this case. My son, Thomas [retracted], is a British born citizen who has lived in Mexico all his life. He is a talented football player and last season was in the U20 & U17 squads of Lobos BUAP, a Liga MX team in Mexico. Thomas came to England with me in August of this year. He is going to school taking 3 'A' Levels and plans to go to university to study International Business. He went for trials with Southport, a tier 6 profesional club. Originally he was put with the U21 team and then after Southport disbanded the U21 team he was moved to the U18 team. Southport applied for international clearance on 24th September, a delay caused by incompetence of an employee who no longer works for them. The English FA still have not given international clearance to my son and furthermore Southport have now told me that due to insurance reasons Thomas can no longer train with them until they can register him. This means that now Thomas cannot play or even train in England due to the actions (inaction) of the English FA. The full time line is as follows :- 23rd August representative of Southport told me the request for International clearance had been initiated 24th September Southport apply for international clearance 9th October English FA request additional information 10th October additional information requested returned to the English FA by Southport 11th October English FA request additional information 15th October additional information requested returned to the English FA by Southport 30th October No response from English FA, I send an email to the English FA with additional information and requesting a resolution Southport, under the instructions of the English FA applied under Article 19 2a. I provided all the material requested by the English FA to show that we are here for non football reasons. I have my own business in Mexico and I am looking for clients here in Europe and my son has enrolled for A levels. Of course, this does not mean that Thomas wants to abandon a promising football career and he wishes to play at the highest level he can possibly achieve. He has a football agent who has several trials promised with clubs at a much higher level than Southport but they will only see Thomas after he has gained international clearance. The PFA have been unofficially helping me and through the advice of [retracted] at Centerfield in Manchester, we have been told that Thomas should receive international clearance under FIFA Article -19 2b (page 22 of regulations). They cited the case of the Benjiman Garre case - Argentinian to Manchester City - https://www.theguardian.com/football...amin-garre-cas. The PFA have been unofficially speaking to the English FA on our behalf. They have unofficially told the PFA that they will not grant clearance under article 19 2a because they do not believe we are here for non footballing reasons. They will not grant international clearance under article 19 2b because they say Southport do not meet the football standards required under article 19 2b i. These are unofficial answers. In the meantime they have given no official answer to Southport for an international clearance request first made on 24th September. He will turn 18 on 1st March and then article 19 will no longer be relevant, however he will have missed a full season of football and probably lose the chance for half a dozen trials with clubs as high as the Championship. Besides that he will have lost 1 year of development. The English FA have effectively destroyed his chance of a career in football before it has even started. At the moment my son cannot train or play football at any level in the country of his birth, he cannot leave the country because he is studying here. The English FA seem to be judge and jury and are, in my opinion deliberately, giving no answer. I do not know what else to do! Can you help? It's so incredibly sad that my son is being punished for returning to his own country. |
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23-11-18, 01:02 PM
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Have you spoken to your local MP..?
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23-11-18, 01:20 PM
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Dalglish
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Yes, not very helpful.
Never got to actually speak to the MP but nothing seems to have happened with the staff. They just don't seem to understand anything! |
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23-11-18, 01:21 PM
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I've never seen this thread somehow.
Mate, I've been in touch with Nick Harris at Sporting Intelligence to see if he thinks there's a story there (from his POV) and I've asked him for permission to give you his email address. If not Nick, then I can try Ian Herbert, Ollie Holt and a few others I've come to know. I'll keep you informed.
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23-11-18, 01:23 PM
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I know Rory Smith and he's at the New York Times now, so it could be of interest to him as he always covers stuff that's kinda off the beaten track.
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23-11-18, 01:26 PM
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Nick is up for hearing from you mate. I've PM'd his email address. Good luck!
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23-11-18, 01:38 PM
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23-11-18, 01:50 PM
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Brilliant, thanks Shaggy. I'll send him an email. |
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23-11-18, 01:53 PM
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I take back what I said about the MPs office, your comment prompted me to call them again. They say that they did write to the FA but haven't received a reply. They've promised to chase them up on Monday. Going to press is going to be risky because Southport have basically said they won't support that and will distance themselves from us if I go to the media. They are afraid of being caught in a fight with the English FA. Just shows you how much power they have. It's a dictatorship not fit for purpose! |
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23-11-18, 01:57 PM
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Fight the Power
If you get some decent press you'll have more than Stockport interested. Good luck! |
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23-11-18, 02:06 PM
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23-11-18, 09:21 PM
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Good luck pal
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23-11-18, 09:23 PM
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I wish I'd been posting videos of Thomas playing football and telling you his progress but unfortunately after a full season the English FA still won't let him play.
The worse thing is that they sat on the application rather than reject it so we couldn't even appeal. Thomas couldn't even train in the end because the club said they cannot insure him if they cannot register him. I suspect the English FA scared them off too. A small club like Southport cannot afford a fight or to upset the FA. We can't afford expensive lawyers like Man City bringing in 16 year old kids from Argentina with tenuous links to Italy and the media couldn't do much to help us. Local MP just wrote a letter to the FA and Minister of Sport and received template replies, no doubt so he could tick us off his to do list. Never spoke to us personally or showed any interest, just his office people handling our case. Thomas did well at school. ABB with his A level mock exams but this year has killed him psychologically not being able to do what he loves. Seriously damaged any chance of being a professional football player as well. So the choice was to stay in England and finish his A levels not knowing when or if he could play football or with whom, but for sure a really low level local amateur team if he could play or go back to Mexico. We've just landed in Cancun, driven out of his country of birth by the English FA. Fuck England. I hope Thomas will be good enough to play for Mexico one day and get the chance to completely humiliate England on the football field. |
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12-04-19, 12:45 AM
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Sounds like a nightmare.
If he gets on board with someone in Mexico is he going to stay put and try to progress this time? That's got to be the best bet rather than chasing trials all over Europe. Mentally must be hard for all, especially your son. Players get injured and lose a season, he'll have to treat it similar and just look forward. At this age losing a year is bad but if it's meant to be he'll find a way. He needs games and to enjoy it. You not friends with any of the cartels? Maybe they could have some influence!  Seriously though, I wish him all the luck in the world.
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12-04-19, 01:44 AM
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What a piss poor shit situation, i feel sorry for Thomas and you.
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12-04-19, 06:01 PM
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Thanks guys. Not sure what will happen yet. Thomas needs to finish school too.
But we will figure it out. |
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