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Old 26-10-11, 10:31 AM   #81
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A search for that passage turns up this which someone has posted on another forum

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A few years ago I made the mistake of taking a fashionable guide book along on a trip to Spain. Aside from lecturing me on what an injustice it is that Gibraltar remains British, it was scathing about the iniquities of bullfighting. The real spirit of Spain, the true family sport, the guidebook said, was football.So it was interesting shortly afterwards to watch those family-minded Spanish football fans treating black England players to savage racial abuse during a friendly match in Madrid, complete with monkey chants of the crudest kind.

Around the same time, Spain’s national football manager referred to black French player Thierry Henry in vicious terms during a training session, and was as a result subjected to a very minor fine.

Just to show that less than liberal views are not confined to Spain’s football crowds, its motor sport fans blacked up specially to goad British driver Lewis Hamilton at a Formula One race. Apologists explained that in Spain when they make fun of the colour of your skin, it’s not racism, dear me no.

When we read about British footballers levelling complaints of racism against each other, it’s worth making the comparison with what passes as everyday behaviour in a nearby country we are often invited to admire.

It may or may not be that the charges laid by Manchester United’s Patrice Evra against Liverpool’s Luis Suarez are well founded. The same goes for the allegations by Anton Ferdinand of QPR against John Terry of Chelsea – although given Terry’s general level of conduct racial abuse of an opponent would be pretty ordinary stuff.

But the horrid and open abuse of the past is gone. When crowds pick on black players these days it is the exception, and the fact is quickly reported and condemned. Any player who resorts to racial slurs against an opponent or a team-mate risks exposure and humiliation. Every club seems to be promoting a kick racism out of football campaign, beyond the point of boredom.
This is not to deny that it has been a long hard road for black footballers. When I was a child it was a commonplace that black players were talented but lightweight, so sports writers would say the Brazil team of the 1960s were great because they had creative black forwards and steady, dependable, white defenders.

Black players in England had to work against the assumption that they would crack swiftly under pressure, a view that helped them get a particularly rough reception from opposing teams.

When the breakthrough came in the 1970s, and Viv Anderson became the first black footballer to play for England in modern times, the week-in week-out taunting of black players continued. I was a regular at Stoke City watching an able young winger called Garth Crooks, and you would not want to put up with the kind of thing he endured on a regular basis.

Things have changed, and they have changed with the switch of mood at big-time football grounds which means you are now more likely to be assaulted at your local cinema multiplex than at a Premier League match.

I took my elderly mother to watch a game at Highbury for the last time before they knocked it down. We took our seats in the East Stand to the sound of typical North London football fan conversation around us: ‘Where’s Lucy today?’ ‘Oh, she couldn’t make it this time, she had to marinate the lamb in rosemary.’

In the second half Arsenal sent on an African forward called Kanu. Kanu could either be brilliant or spend all afternoon falling over the ball. On this occasion he kept falling over the ball. A youngish bloke sitting in front of us lost his temper after one particularly ludicrous pratfall and yelled, at the top of his voice, something about ‘you black b*****d’.

There was a terrible silence.

The bloke leaped up and wheeled round 180 degrees in the same movement, shoved his face straight in front of my mother’s, and said in firm and formal tones: ‘I’m terribly sorry about the racist comment.’

You could not imagine such a thing happening at a football match 30 years ago. Football reflects us all as it always did, and these days it’s both racist and not racist at the same time. Things may not be perfect but, at the end of the day, Gary, there are worse things to complain about.

So, Mr Evra and Mr Ferdinand, I know you feel insulted. But perhaps in this case you could just put up with it and get on with the game.
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Old 26-10-11, 10:37 AM   #82
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That last line was the killer for me. What the fuck sort of Journo says something like that. Essentially saying 'You should be glad its not a load worse'

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Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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Old 26-10-11, 10:55 AM   #84
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What the fuck - that's unbelievable.

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Old 26-10-11, 11:14 AM   #85
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it should be completely unbelievable sadly it's the Daily Fail and nothing they do shocks me that much anymore.
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Old 26-10-11, 11:29 AM   #86
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it should be completely unbelievable sadly it's the Daily Fail and nothing they do shocks me that much anymore.


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Old 26-10-11, 11:34 AM   #87
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That last line was the killer for me. What the fuck sort of Journo says something like that. Essentially saying 'You should be glad its not a load worse'

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it should be completely unbelievable sadly it's the Daily Fail and nothing they do shocks me that much anymore.
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Old 26-10-11, 11:40 AM   #88
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It's The Sun but for people with bigger houses.
Its worse than a Red Top mate. They dont pretend to be anything other than rags. But the Daily Mail is a red top with broadsheet colouring.
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Old 26-10-11, 11:53 AM   #89
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we all know terry's colorful past this is hardly a surprise
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Old 26-10-11, 12:33 PM   #91
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Old 26-10-11, 12:37 PM   #92
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Die you racist cunt die.
Steady on. Have you been saying the same to Suarez? Nope, because at the moment they are just allegations. Untill proven to have been racist I think thats a bit much.
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Old 26-10-11, 12:41 PM   #93
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Old 26-10-11, 12:44 PM   #94
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Ohh OK. You can see in the context who it seems like its aimed at though Sorry.
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Ohh OK. You can see in the context who it seems like its aimed at though Sorry.


I thought he was saying it to Vermilion too. Accusing him of racism was a bit unfair but otherwise I have some sympathy.
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Old 26-10-11, 07:34 PM   #98
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It's that particular 'newspaper' to a tee really, isn't it?
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That last line was the killer for me. What the fuck sort of Journo says something like that. Essentially saying 'You should be glad its not a load worse'

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QPR's Anton Ferdinand must speak up in row with Chelsea's John Terry, says Lord Ouseley

Anton Ferdinand, the QPR defender, should “demonstrate courage”, remember the sacrifices black players made in the past and state publicly what he believes Chelsea’s John Terry allegedly said to him, according to Lord Ouseley, chairman of the Kick It Out anti-racism campaign group and a Football Association Council member.

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Surely not while there is a police inquiry going on.
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I would have thought it was best to keep it quiet until the investigation is finished. If he said nothing too him, all Ferdinand would be doing is putting pressure on people. If its found to be true, I would expect him to come out guns blazing at Terry and take the man down. But until then, what's the point? There is no point in taking a stand against something that might not have happened.
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I would have thought it was best to keep it quiet until the investigation is finished. If he said nothing too him, all Ferdinand would be doing is putting pressure on people. If its found to be true, I would expect him to come out guns blazing at Terry and take the man down. But until then, what's the point? There is no point in taking a stand against something that might not have happened.


I think it's best to let the police and FA investigate it and not talk about it in the press until the investigations are concluded. This type of thing shouldn't be played out in the press at this stage IMO.
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That's right. Evra got slated on here for doing it.
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John Terry has categorically denied racially abusing Anton Ferdinand. .....However he hasn't yet ruled out shagging his missus!
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QPR's Anton Ferdinand tells of 'crazy’ days in furore with Chelsea's John Terry

Anton Ferdinand last night spoke for the first time about the gathering storm surrounding John Terry’s alleged racial slur against the Queens Park Rangers defender, describing it as a “crazy” week

Officials from the Football Association’s governance and regulation department are expected to return to QPR's Harrington training ground this afternoon, having visited on Tuesday, to interview Ferdinand, who is adamant that his main priority is Sunday’s Premier League game against Tottenham.

“The last few days have been crazy,” Ferdinand, 26, told Telegraph Sport.

“But I’m looking forward to Sunday’s game and fully focused on football.

"Anyone who knows me will know that whatever’s going on, football’s always going to be my number one priority.

"I can’t wait for Sunday’s game: a derby, a very big game.”

Ferdinand paid tribute to the support he has received from others in the game, most notably his cousin Les Ferdinand and Blackburn striker Jason Roberts.

“I’d like to thank players like Jason Roberts for the support they have given me,” he said.

“Not just professionals at other clubs but my team-mates at QPR.

"They’ve been fantastic for me. Having team-mates around you like I have is nice to feel, and nice to see.”

Had his manager Neil Warnock spoken to him about the incident? “I don’t want to talk about that,” Ferdinand responded.

“I’m not worried about that. I’m worried about the game on Sunday.”

On top of the FA’s investigation, the police are also assessing the incident during the game between QPR and Chelsea on Sunday, in which Terry is alleged to have directed a racist comment at Ferdinand.

Terry, the Chelsea and England captain, has consistently denied making any racist remark and says that he welcomes the chance to clear his name.

FA officials, having visited the QPR training ground already, intend to take further statements today.

It is not clear when they will speak to Terry, who will lead Chelsea against Arsenal in tomorrow’s lunchtime kick-off at Stamford Bridge.

Ferdinand accepts that he did not directly hear what Terry said to him during Sunday’s match, but was sufficiently concerned by subsequent footage of the incident for QPR to request an investigation.

The flashpoint occurred in the 85th minute of the match, when it is alleged that Terry mouthed the words 'you ******* black ****’ towards Ferdinand.

Terry issued a statement on Sunday saying that he thought Ferdinand had accused him of making a racist slur and “responded aggressively, saying that I never used that term”.

Chelsea have suggested that Terry only used the offending words as part of a longer sentence, denying any racism.

There had been a hope at Chelsea that Ferdinand would corroborate Terry’s statement, particularly as they spoke for 10 minutes after the match.

With the full backing of QPR, Ferdinand has, instead, encouraged the FA to investigate the incident.

With Ferdinand not having heard what Terry said, the FA’s investigation is expected to hinge significantly on the available video evidence.

The footage that was posted on the internet is partially obscured by Ashley Cole walking past Terry. The FA, however, is expected to request other television angles in an attempt to make proper sense of the incident.

There is no time frame for the FA investigation, but the resulting fallout has seen Ferdinand, the younger brother of England defender Rio, thrown into the spotlight.

When pressed, Ferdinand refused to elaborate on the events of Sunday while the matter is still being investigated but acknowledged that, over the last few days, he has received an unprecedented number of phone calls, text messages and tweets.

He stressed his determination to block out the distraction of the Terry affair. “It’s part of the job,” he said.

“You’ve got to play in front of 40,000 or 50,000 people every week and you’ve got to block them out, so if you can’t block this out, there’s no point in playing the game. You’re going to struggle.”

What exactly was Ferdinand’s recollection of Sunday’s events?

“I don’t want to talk about that,” was his terse reply. What he actually wanted to talk about was the new computer game Battlefield 3, which he was promoting in London.

To be fair to Ferdinand, his silence was most likely the product of outside counsel rather than truculence on his own part. And there was an acknowledgement of the strain these turbulent last few days have had.

Ferdinand insisted that he would emerge from the episode a stronger person.

“Has it been the craziest week of my life? There’s been other situations, but it’s certainly up there. But these types of situations are what make you.”

Ferdinand appeared in good spirits yet there is little chance of the row dissipating in the immediate future, with Chelsea manager Andre Villas Boas dedicating his side’s Carling Cup win against Everton on Wednesday to Terry.

One of the by-products of the controversy is that it has taken the gloss off QPR’s surprise 1-0 victory at Loftus Road, and Ferdinand was keen to pay tribute to his team’s spirit and resolve in holding out against Chelsea, who were reduced to nine men after the red cards shown to Jose Bosingwa and Didier Drogba.

“When you play against ten men or nine men, sometimes it’s harder,” he said.

“There was more urgency from them. They had to put the pressure on us because we were winning, but we knew we didn’t have to score again.

“We knew we could sit back and try to pick them off. That didn’t happen, and at times we could have kept the ball better, but we got three points, and that’s all that mattered.”
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If Terry is found guilty, I suppose Rio will captain England at next summer's Euros.

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If Terry is found guilty, I suppose Rio will captain England at next summer's Euros.

Just saying....
Now that would give the conspiracy theorists plenty to work with, a black player ending up as captain, but not only that, he's the racially abused players big Bruv. Fuckin hell we'd never hear the last of it.

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If Terry is found guilty, I suppose Rio will captain England at next summer's Euros.

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I doubt it, he'll be injured.
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mate of mine is a big chelsea fan, he thinks it's all a conspiracy to get Rio the armband back!
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HAHA i was thinking that too! this must be the reason for the wait! orr anton is currently contemplating whether to accept the pay off from terry!!
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Dave Whelan say Anton and all other black players should just forget about it. :shocked:


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The Wigan chairman Dave Whelan has said players are "out of order" to complain about being referred to by their race.

Whelan, responding to allegations against John Terry, which the England captain denies, told LBC the issue of racism in football was overblown, and that players "should just get on with it".

He said: "If a white man insults a black man that's big, big news. If a black man insults a white man that's nothing, and it's expected.

"I think we should forget colour and … you know, it doesn't bother anybody. Sometimes a footballer, when they're playing at such a level, with the stress there is … if they call somebody white, if they call somebody black, you've just got to get on with it.

"You know, I think the players who come and complain, sometimes they are a little bit out of order.

"The game is a game, the game is a football game, whether you're white, black, pink, red, it doesn't matter. We're all equal and we all play football and we should get on with it."

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The Wigan chairman Dave Whelan has said players are "out of order" to complain about being referred to by their race.

Whelan, responding to allegations against John Terry, which the England captain denies, told LBC the issue of racism in football was overblown, and that players "should just get on with it".

He said: "If a white man insults a black man that's big, big news. If a black man insults a white man that's nothing, and it's expected.

"I think we should forget colour and … you know, it doesn't bother anybody. Sometimes a footballer, when they're playing at such a level, with the stress there is … if they call somebody white, if they call somebody black, you've just got to get on with it.

"You know, I think the players who come and complain, sometimes they are a little bit out of order.

"The game is a game, the game is a football game, whether you're white, black, pink, red, it doesn't matter. We're all equal and we all play football and we should get on with it."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...row?CMP=twt_gu
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Definitely something in this.

Anton Ferdinand gives race-row statement to FA
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15528032.stm

Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand has given a statement to the Football Association (FA) relating to claims of racial abuse by John Terry.

Ferdinand said he has "very strong" feelings on the matter, but will not elaborate until a "thorough" FA inquiry has been concluded.

He said he will not make any further comment in the "interests of fairness".

England captain Terry has denied the allegations, which relate to Chelsea's 1-0 loss at Loftus Road on 23 October.

In a statement released on Monday afternoon, Ferdinand said: "I have very strong feelings on the matter, but in the interests of fairness and not wishing to prejudice what I am sure will be a very thorough inquiry by the FA, this will be my last comment on the subject until the inquiry is concluded."

He also thanked everyone at QPR, including manager Neil Warnock, supporters and his team-mates, for their "unwavering" support.

The FA announced the investigation after it was claimed Chelsea captain Terry shouted racial abuse during the west London derby.

Some viewers claimed video replays from the match between the sides showed Terry using racist language, while the FA said it received a complaint.

Chelsea manager Andre Villas-Boas earlier stated that a post-match conversation between Terry and Ferdinand had marked "the end of the story".

But the Metropolitan Police is assessing evidence from the incident after receiving a complaint.

In a statement following the Blues' loss, Terry described the incident as a "misunderstanding" and claimed that his accusers "have leapt to the wrong conclusions about the context of what I was seen to be saying".

He added: "I would never say such a thing - and I'm saddened that people would think so."

Speaking before his team's defeat at Tottenham on Sunday, QPR chairman Tony Fernandes stressed his club's condemnation of all forms of racism but added it was time to concentrate on the future.

"As a club, we will provide our players with our unequivocal support when alleged incidents like this occur," he said.

"However, we are keen to draw a line under this alleged incident and focus on our forthcoming fixtures."

Terry was stripped of the England captaincy in February 2010 after allegations that he had had an affair with the ex-girlfriend of Wayne Bridge, an international team-mate.

He was reinstated by coach Fabio Capello in March after the Italian deemed a year without the armband to have been sufficient "punishment".
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