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Old 19-07-18, 08:47 AM   #1001
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No chance Arsenal make up that mub ground IMO. Spurs still finished ahead of us last season, and the previous, and the one before that yet we continue to see them as no hopers. It'll be the same top 4 I think
between Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea for third and fourth spot.
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Old 19-07-18, 08:51 AM   #1002
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between Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea for third and fourth spot.
Really? You think both Manchester clubs will finish above us? City maybe, but United??
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Old 19-07-18, 08:52 AM   #1003
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Easy to write off Arsenal. They'll be invigorated by a new manager, and too many of their players have been underperforming.
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Old 19-07-18, 08:54 AM   #1004
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Arsenal are shit. Spurs limit is upper 70s, we’ll be upper 80s at worst, them two are no threat at all neither are Chelsea unless they sort their attack out. Utd have done nothing in the window so far. Us and City are miles clear of the rest as it stands.
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Old 19-07-18, 09:05 AM   #1005
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Really? You think both Manchester clubs will finish above us? City maybe, but United??
Donít mean to hijack the thread with predictions but... IMO City are clear favourites (too much strength in depth and a good manager). We were the second best team last year (IMO) but records will show we finished fourth. To challenge City we will need a near perfect season - VVD, Salah, Firmino and Mane fit and on form, Keita settled (and not many red cards), Henderson and Robertson injury free. I really hope we finish above UTD.
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Old 19-07-18, 09:28 AM   #1006
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It'll be between us and citeh this year. With regard to style of play, we will be more unpredicable offensively and more solid defensively. I think other teams gave citeh too much respect and space to play in last season, hopefully, many have learnt from this error
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lets hope all of these new players hit the ground running - all too often there are examples of players coming into the league and taking a season to get up to the pace and power of it
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Old 19-07-18, 02:01 PM   #1008
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Easy to write off Arsenal. They'll be invigorated by a new manager, and too many of their players have been underperforming.
Yup. They have two players who've won their respective league's golden boot, a better keeper, quicker defence and a quality tenacious midfielder. I think they will be in the conversation for 4th place.
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Old 19-07-18, 02:37 PM   #1009
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Donít mean to hijack the thread with predictions but... IMO City are clear favourites (too much strength in depth and a good manager). We were the second best team last year (IMO) but records will show we finished fourth. To challenge City we will need a near perfect season - VVD, Salah, Firmino and Mane fit and on form, Keita settled (and not many red cards), Henderson and Robertson injury free. I really hope we finish above UTD.
If it weren't for us focusing so much of our efforts on the CL late last season we would have finished 2nd, we didn't have the squad to cope with the demands of both last year. Hopefully this summer we have solved that.

For a title challenge this year we really need to get off to a good start. I think the other sides around us had more players involved at the WC so hopefully this means that they will start slowly and we can get an early advantage. I see Lovren, Henderson and TAA missing the first few games of the season, but I think we can cope with that, Lovren will be the biggest loss there because that is our weakest area cover wise, but hopefully Matip can stay fit in that time.
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Old 19-07-18, 07:27 PM   #1010
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Yup. They have two players who've won their respective league's golden boot, a better keeper, quicker defence and a quality tenacious midfielder. I think they will be in the conversation for 4th place.
Disagree - New Style, new tempo - Me thinks they'll take 2-3 years to get back (ala ManUtd) to challenging, the odd cup perhaps.

If Chelsea hang on to a few then they could be in the mix, but I think the top 4 won't change that much for 2-3 years.
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Old 20-07-18, 10:55 AM   #1011
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Disagree - New Style, new tempo - Me thinks they'll take 2-3 years to get back (ala ManUtd) to challenging, the odd cup perhaps.

If Chelsea hang on to a few then they could be in the mix, but I think the top 4 won't change that much for 2-3 years.
Well I guess we'll find out!

Who's rolling out a season's prediction thread?
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Old 21-08-18, 11:43 AM   #1012
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we've basically nicked a part of citys style and made it our own entire game getting wide and in behind low block teams and putting the ball across the box.

Left flank team of Robertson, Keita, Mane, right of TAA, Milner, Salah. The spine of the team VVD, Gomez, Henderson, Firmino just moving it out wide.

I think Henderson will be class at this.

As soon as team tries to shut us down wide, we'll just move inside with runners.

I think its going to require a lot of patience in some games for us to get a break through, and not reduce us to potshots.
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Old 21-08-18, 01:08 PM   #1013
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not a great performance but more contained.
i wonder if the full backs were under instruction not to go too wide unless we were on the break and had already bypassed the palace full backs, hence robbo and taa often coming back inside???
some nice play from milner and wijnaldum in midfield.
lallana looks like a cock or two [Shaggy, did you ever use that ]
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Old 27-08-18, 04:19 PM   #1014
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Jurgen Klopp has appointed a dedicated ‘throw-in’ coach at Liverpool.

Dane Thomas Gronnemark started working on a part-time basis during the club’s pre-season training camp, seeking to minimise the number of errors from the set-play.

He has been primarily helping the first team full-backs, Andy Robertson, Joe Gomez, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Nathaniel Clyne and Alberto Moreno.

James Milner, Sadio Mane and Gini Wijnaldum have also been part of the sessions.

Gronnemark, who previously worked with Midtjylland and Bundesliga sides Schalke and Hertha Berlin was approached directly by Klopp to bring the secrets of his ‘Long Throw Academy’ to Anfield.

Specialist coaches are becoming the norm, particularly on the continent, but a dedicated trainer for throw-ins is a first in English football.

Klopp estimated Liverpool take or defend around 50 throw-ins per match, so it was worthwhile analysing every detail of his team’s performance going into a new season.

After studying his team’s displays last year, Klopp felt his players squandered possession too often from throw-ons. The appointment was geared to rectify that.

Rather than encouraging a long-throw, Gronnemark has been advising on the most effective way of using the restart to trigger attacks, and also how to avoid putting team mates under pressure when in their own half.

His involvement means he travels to Liverpool for a couple of sessions a month and he has already been proactive with the senior squad in the early weeks of this season. It is a relationship which looks like continuing for the time-being.

Gronnemark established himself when he secured the world record for the longest ever throw-in – over 56 yards.

He has also worked with Denmark’s Athletics and Bobsled teams.
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Old 28-08-18, 12:22 PM   #1015
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Who is our most important player now, whose absence would affect us most? It's VVD for me
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Old 28-08-18, 12:32 PM   #1016
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Who is our most important player now, whose absence would affect us most? It's VVD for me

Still think it's Salah.
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Old 28-08-18, 12:37 PM   #1017
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Still think it's Salah.
if we lost vvd we'd go to shit at the back, so he is essential.
replace him with lovren and its too wobbly.

if we lost salah we'd struggle to have much creativity, as seen in the CL final when he went off after being garotted by ramosthecunt.
replace him with roboshaq and it might still be ok, but just a bit less direct.
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Does this mean we're still too reliant on certain players?
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Old 28-08-18, 12:46 PM   #1019
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Does this mean we're still too reliant on certain players?
we have squad depth, but certain key players are above rotation, they are key to our spine strength.

our key players; becker, vvd, no stand out midfielders, salah.
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Old 28-08-18, 12:49 PM   #1020
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Another couple of seasons and Gomez will make any defender playing alongside him look good.

Keita will become indispensable as will TAA. Robertson makes our left side tick too.
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we have squad depth, but certain key players are above rotation, they are key to our spine strength.

our key players; becker, vvd, no stand out midfielders, salah.
Think Keita could become our standout midfielder.
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Another couple of seasons and Gomez will make any defender playing alongside him look good.

Keita will become indispensable as will TAA. Robertson makes our left side tick too.
maybe by the end of the season gomez will be confident enough to not be wobbled having to play alongside someone other than the colossus.
hopefully keita will settle and him and fabinho will go on to become solid as our first choice midfield anchors.
taa and robbo are excellent and almost irreplaceable.
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Old 28-08-18, 12:56 PM   #1023
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Another couple of seasons and Gomez will make any defender playing alongside him look good.

Keita will become indispensable as will TAA. Robertson makes our left side tick too.
Robertson is by far our best left back.

Alisson, VVD, Robertson, Keita, Salah and Mane - probably our most important players.
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Old 28-08-18, 01:00 PM   #1024
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No mention of bobby yet when he doesn’t play or is off form our whole attacking rhythm goes to shit.
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So our key players are Alisson, VVD, TAA, Robertson, Keita, Salah, Firmino and Mane......., that's practically the whole team
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And we're fucked if any single one of them is absent. That can't be right surely
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And we're fucked if any single one of them is absent. That can't be right surely
we will obviously rotate, but my worry is how much this will compromise our ability to put out a full strength side...
some games we might win four or five nil, but i wonder if we had fielded a weaker team would the opposition be better able to come at us and maybe force a draw?
we might be better placed to make earlier substitutions [unlike klopp] at maybe 60 minutes to give other players some real game time provided we have already stamped on them a bit.

i just dont want us to chuck points away needlessly just so we can give moreno some game time
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And we're fucked if any single one of them is absent. That can't be right surely
Would you drive a car if you took one of the major components away?
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I think the original question was about who we would miss, who's absence would most affect our ability to play our way or perform to the standard required. Not who is best.

In that respect the drop off in quality with Becker and VVD is huge and we have no real coping mechanism in the squad at all. So they would be 'key' in this context.

Slightly lesser IMO is Firminho, if it was just him out, we'd notice it, but be ok with our other 2 and Shaq/Studge/Origi. As said, we'd probably put Salah up front, Mane Right and one of the others LW

Robertson is streets ahead of Moreno, but Milner can do a decent enough job there. TAA to Clynne isn't a big drop at all.
Centre Mids, we can cope well enough without any 1 of them.

Salah is obviously one of the best players in the world, so any team would miss him, but we have enough wingers in our squad not to ruin our way of playing.

TLDR: VVD and Becker
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You do realise if one of our best players is injured we can put someone else in the team instead, right
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I think the original question was about who we would miss, who's absence would most affect our ability to play our way or perform to the standard required. Not who is best.

In that respect the drop off in quality with Becker and VVD is huge and we have no real coping mechanism in the squad at all. So they would be 'key' in this context.

Slightly lesser IMO is Firminho, if it was just him out, we'd notice it, but be ok with our other 2 and Shaq/Studge/Origi. As said, we'd probably put Salah up front, Mane Right and one of the others LW

Robertson is streets ahead of Moreno, but Milner can do a decent enough job there. TAA to Clynne isn't a big drop at all.
Centre Mids, we can cope well enough without any 1 of them.

Salah is obviously one of the best players in the world, so any team would miss him, but we have enough wingers in our squad not to ruin our way of playing.

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You do realise if one of our best players is injured we can put someone else in the team instead, right


Yes we have spare wheels and components on hand but they're not of the same quality as the original equipment.

Fuck this analogy.
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The side is being built to be fluid in terms of personnel, certainly the midfield which is good to see and even up top we can afford one of the three being out for a bit now.

Still a couple of players that if we had missing for a while would hurt - VVD being the main one and of course Mo but that’s not really much different from other sides, take Hazard and Kante out for Chelsea or Aguero and KDB (let’s see how they do without him for a while) for City or Kane and Eriksen at Spurs and De Gea of previous seasons for the Mancs.

We’re far more robust this season than we have been for players being out but as ever there’s going to be a couple of players that hurt that bit more if not available.
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Throw-in coach Thomas Gronnemark working with Danish top-flight club FC Midtjylland
Thomas Gronnemark was perhaps the most surprising arrival at Liverpool this season after a summer of big spending on the likes of Alisson, Fabinho and Naby Keita.

Even manager Jurgen Klopp admitted he had never heard of a throw-in coach before employing the Dane.

The appointment of the 42-year-old, who also holds the world record for the longest throw-in at 51.33m, raised eyebrows and was mocked by TV pundit Andy Gray.

"I know it is totally the weirdest job in the world," Gronnemark, who thinks he is the world's first throw-in specialist, told BBC Sport.

Former Stoke midfielder Rory Delap may be the best known exponent of the long throw-in in the Premier League era, but Gronnemark says his brief at Anfield is "not to turn Liverpool into the second Stoke".

As he explains, there is more than meets the eye to the humble throw-in and it's a skill that when mastered can lead to goals and even "save the life" of a team.

"I saw Joe Gomez take some really good throws for Liverpool that I had not seen him do before, he was fizzing it in there," said former Arsenal striker Ian Wright on Radio 5 live's Monday Night Club.

"It looks like he [Gronnemark] has taught him something. You have to say Liverpool will benefit from that."

Klopp believes Gronnemark has "already made a difference" with his work at Melwood.

"To be honest, I'd never heard about a throw-in coach," said the German. "When I heard about Thomas, it was clear to me I wanted to meet him; when I met him, it was 100% cent clear I wanted to employ him."

Gronnemark, who has been working with teams since 2004, said Klopp contacted him as he was "curious" about his work and he says it is a "dream" job.

"If I was a defender I would not want to be on the end of one of Gomez's throw-ins," said Gronnemark.

"In general against Liverpool I would not want to put the ball out for a throw-in. I am not saying Liverpool will do a lot of long throw-ins, but you never know when they may do it."

Thomas Gronnemark is a former sprinter and a member of the Danish bobsleigh team
Gronnemark estimates there are 40-50 throw-ins in a game and in Saturday's 2-1 win against Leicester, Liverpool had 54 - their role and importance, he says, are "underestimated" unlike other set-pieces.

"If you are expecting professional footballers to be world-class throwers without coaching then you are pretty optimistic," he continues. "Generally the standard is quite poor.

"A focus on throw-ins can save the life of small clubs, as a technique to survive.

"But at the top of the league, it can help with a more fluent style of play. No matter what position in the league, throw-ins are an advantage."

Gronnemark teaches three types of throw-in - the long throw-in, the fast throw-in - which can launch counter-attacks - and the clever throw-in, which is about keeping possession under pressure.

"I focus on everything you can imagine," adds Gronnemark, a former international sprinter who was in the Danish athletics and bobsleigh teams. "It is not just the technique of the throw, but how to receive it, how to make the right runs, the positioning, creating space."

Aside from his freelance work with Liverpool, Gronnemark also coaches at Danish top-flights clubs FC Midtjylland and AC Horsens, and in the German Bundesliga.

Midtjylland, who won the Danish title last year, and Horsen scored 10 goals each last season from long throw-ins.

Danish left-back Andreas Poulsen, who joined Borussia Monchengladbach from Midtjylland, improved his long throw from 25m to 37.9m under Gronnemark's coaching.

Gronnemark says there are 25-30 technical aspects to a long throw and he uses video analysis to make improvements, which can see players improve their distance by four to eight metres on average and double the throwing area. Flexible, rather than strong players, are best at throw-ins and it is an essential skill for a full-back.

"If Liverpool score a goal or two from long throws that would be perfect for me," said Gronnemark." But even more so if it comes as a result of a fast throw or clever throw."

According to Opta, there have been just 20 goals scored from a "throw-in scenario" in the Premier League in the last five seasons and one scored so far in 2018-19.

Last season, Liverpool had just three shots from throw-ins, while Leicester City led the way with 14.

Goals from fast throws and clever throws are impossible to measure, but Gronnemark says these have a "greater impact" on the game and can make the game faster and more entertaining.

"If you have more possession, you have a greater chance of winning a game," says Gronnemark. "Sometimes set-pieces develop into set-pieces like corners and free-kicks and they help build pressure."

'I can make fun of myself'
"I'm sorry, a throw-in coach? Here's the ball, pick it up with both hands, take it behind your head and throw it with both feet on the ground," said former Scotland striker Gray in his criticism of Gronnemark's appointment.

Gronnemark says he didn't have a problem with Gray's comments, but felt the ex-Wolves player could have looked into what his job entailed.

"I know it is the weirdest job in the world," says Gronnemark, who has been fascinated by throw-ins since he was a child and has developed his own coaching course to fill the gap in the market.

"I am the world record holder and the world-leading expert, but I am not too big to make fun of myself."

He says some players he works with are "surprised" by his role and have a "bit of a laugh".

And what about THAT Iran throw-in?

Milad Mohammadi attempts forward roll throw
One request Gronnemark often gets is to replicate his world record throw achieved with a front flip in 2010, but he says he has eaten "too many cakes" to attempt it these days.

Iran defender Milad Mohammadi attempted a similar feat during the World Cup as they looked for a last-minute equaliser against Portugal - but failed.

"His run-up was too slow," said Gronnemark. "It was a funny situation, but he must have had some bottle to try to make a flip throw-in, but I know it is the hardest thing to do in football."



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Is Ian Wright sure it was Gomez taking throw ins? It's unusual for the CB to be taking them
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Is Ian Wright sure it was Gomez taking throw ins? It's unusual for the CB to be taking them
He did take a couple late on after TAA went off
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Old 04-09-18, 09:43 PM   #1038
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He did take a couple late on after TAA went off
True but TAA came off pretty near the end didn't he
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yes but Gomez launched them to the far post.. he was clearly doing a little routine with finger placement etc
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