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Old 03-04-20, 04:29 PM   #6401
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Extremley proud of Jordan Henderson here, and fair played on the other Captains too for playing their part.

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Old 03-04-20, 04:41 PM   #6402
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Lovely gesture however it's sickening that the NHS is so starved of funds in the first place.

In a right and just society you shouldn't need to have 'fund raisers' for healthcare.
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Old 04-04-20, 06:19 AM   #6403
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But Palace winger Townsend was unhappy with the demands of Hancock and told Talksport: "Football is trying to do a lot of good. To wake up yesterday and see footballers being painted as villains was a bit of a surprise.

"The health secretary, deflecting blame on to footballers: I don't think that is right. His job is the responsibility of NHS workers. NHS workers have been underpaid for years."
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Old 04-04-20, 02:32 PM   #6404
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Just went up a few rungs on the respecto ladder with those comments.
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Old 04-04-20, 02:45 PM   #6405
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Not sure I agree.

It's most definitely a valid point yeah, however a footballer commenting on people getting paid ridiculous money because thats what the market dictates has some nerve IMO.
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Old 04-04-20, 10:14 PM   #6406
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Not sure I agree.

It's most definitely a valid point yeah, however a footballer commenting on people getting paid ridiculous money because thats what the market dictates has some nerve IMO.
Absolutely

Just cements how totally detached they are
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Old 05-04-20, 05:18 AM   #6407
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People are dying in the UK. The NHS is suffering from a lack of staff and equipment due to a decade of underfunding. Government's answer - make highly paid Premier League footballers the story. People will fall for it.

These are the real stories:

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Coronavirus: The NHS workers wearing bin bags as protection
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Doctors and nurses warned not to discuss lack of protective kit, medics claim
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Old 05-04-20, 06:31 AM   #6408
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People are dying in the UK. The NHS is suffering from a lack of staff and equipment due to a decade of underfunding. Government's answer - make highly paid Premier League footballers the story. People will fall for it.
Not for 1 second disputing that, just disputing the comment that this makes a guy paid more than 2 nurses annual salary per week some kind of hero.
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Old 05-04-20, 09:36 AM   #6409
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Not for 1 second disputing that, just disputing the comment that this makes a guy paid more than 2 nurses annual salary per week some kind of hero.

So it's his responsibility to pay NHS workers? If he pays his taxes then he has the right to blast the Government.
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Old 05-04-20, 10:29 AM   #6410
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Not disputing that either.
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Old 05-04-20, 11:22 AM   #6411
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A 30% pay cut for 4 months equals 10% over a year. It won't crumple them to do this and for their wages to directly pay staff at clubs who face being furloughed. This is turn takes a small amount of pressure off the government which in turn strengthens what they have available to give to the NHS.

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Old 05-04-20, 11:40 AM   #6412
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But this should not be a story about footballers’ salaries. Why footballers? Easy target. The art of deflection. Suckers have fallen for it. Gives the government breathing space.
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Old 05-04-20, 12:08 PM   #6413
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Helps that lots of them are foreign and/or brown.
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Old 05-04-20, 12:08 PM   #6414
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A 30% pay cut for 4 months equals 10% over a year. It won't crumple them to do this and for their wages to directly pay staff at clubs who face being furloughed. This is turn takes a small amount of pressure off the government which in turn strengthens what they have available to give to the NHS.

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I think that the problem comes from a lot of footballers being relying on advisors for various things, they presumably have financial advisors, agents, the PFA all offering input, many of these advisors (agents in particular) will have their own agendas.

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But this should not be a story about footballers’ salaries. Why footballers? Easy target. The art of deflection. Suckers have fallen for it. Gives the government breathing space.
I agree about the footballers being easy targets there are a lot of other independently wealthy people who could equally contribute but aren't coming in for the same criticism, the cynical side of me thinks that might be because these others have more political influence. Putting attention on footballers is just taking attention away from where it is needed.
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Old 05-04-20, 12:32 PM   #6415
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But this should not be a story about footballers’ salaries. Why footballers? Easy target. The art of deflection. Suckers have fallen for it. Gives the government breathing space.
Ok, look at it differently. Taking Germany as an example, no CEO can earn more than 10x what the lowest paid employee gets. I bet this doesn't apply in football, so football clubs as organisations don't fall within the same rules. Taking the PL on it's own, they can absolutely afford not to have to go to the state with a begging bowl for some staff while carrying on to pay others £2million a year. It stinks. Either furlough all your staff or none at all. I'd love to see the footballers be given the choice to be capped at £2500 a month or sacrifice 10% of their yearly salary to support their colleagues. Wayne Rooney would shut the fuck up then, I bet

And yes, the same model should be adopted throughout the entire workforce of this country. 30% of unfurloughed earners over £150k to alleviate the pressure on the government. We're in this together apparently
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Old 05-04-20, 01:38 PM   #6416
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I can't see how you have a different opinion on this than you did the other day when I mentioned Phillip Green Norbs?

A wealthy individual abusing furlough, but you were 'ok' (or you understood the workers might not get paid\laid off) with that
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Old 05-04-20, 01:39 PM   #6417
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Old 05-04-20, 01:43 PM   #6418
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I can't see how you have a different opinion on this than you did the other day when I mentioned Phillip Green Norbs?

A wealthy individual abusing furlough, but you were 'ok' (or you understood the workers might not get paid\laid off) with that
I'm not ok with PG but just said he was entitled to furlough his staff, which he is. I'd also wager that he doesn't employ 30 people on salaries between £3m and £15m a year, plus many more on £1m+. I'm almost certain too that he employs a vast many more people than LFC does.

Happy to be corrected, but you can't furlough only part of your workforce can you?
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Old 05-04-20, 01:46 PM   #6419
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It's difficult, and unfair, to take wealth away that has been accumulated, but not hard to force an emergency tax on the highest earners who are able to continue to earn.
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Old 05-04-20, 01:51 PM   #6420
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I'm not ok with PG but just said he was entitled to furlough his staff, which he is. I'd also wager that he doesn't employ 30 people on salaries between £3m and £15m a year, plus many more on £1m+. I'm almost certain too that he employs a vast many more people than LFC does.

Happy to be corrected, but you can't furlough only part of your workforce can you?
You can choose who you want to furlough.

But they cannot in anyway be involved in business activities on any level for the three months.

My wife has not been furloughed but her team have been. If PG is entitled to furlough his staff then so are LFC. It doesn’t sit well with me with either doing it.

I’ll not boycott or anything though. If anything this period has shown to me what an amazing life distraction watching sport is.
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Old 05-04-20, 01:59 PM   #6421
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You can choose who you want to furlough.

But they cannot in anyway be involved in business activities on any level for the three months.

My wife has not been furloughed but her team have been. If PG is entitled to furlough his staff then so are LFC. It doesn’t sit well with me with either doing it.

I’ll not boycott or anything though. If anything this period has shown to me what an amazing life distraction watching sport is.
Maybe it varies but it's 3 weeks not months, at a minimum, I hope, as I'm furloughed too! That said, I'd love 3 months off

Thanks for clearing it up though.

I think the footballers thing is being used as an example, the most extreme disparity between highest and lowest earners, and I hope it will roll out to everyone.

Don't you think say a 60% tax rate above a set level would be fair in the short term? Not just for footballers obviously
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Old 05-04-20, 02:13 PM   #6422
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It's sad that it's taken a crisis (where some people are directly effected) for the inequality between high and low earners to be considered a problem. If only a party leader had considered this prior to the last election. He'd have been a winner.

Still think the UK government is using footballers salaries to deflect from their own shortcomings.
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Old 05-04-20, 02:14 PM   #6423
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A stepped increase in tax over certain thresholds would be fair and sensible imo.

Pointing fingers at footballers and saying how they should take a pay cut was a cheap point scoring exercise
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Old 05-04-20, 02:32 PM   #6424
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What's sad is that our squad didn't get together and make the decision to support their colleagues without there having to be an intervention.

Re: it's taken something like this, I think many of us had wanted more fairness in the workplace prior to this but this has just brought it to the forefront. Germany's policy of capping a company's highest earner is a great idea but the guys at the top will take dividends or options instead. Kicking the greed out of the richest in order to create a fairer society may be something that is positive that comes out of this. Won't hold my breath though
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And yes, the same model should be adopted throughout the entire workforce of this country. 30% of unfurloughed earners over £150k to alleviate the pressure on the government. We're in this together apparently

Why only people earning over £150k? Why not everyone then, if ya want us to all be in this together?
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Old 06-04-20, 10:11 PM   #6426
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Why only people earning over £150k? Why not everyone then, if ya want us to all be in this together?
£150k is the threshold for the highest rate of tax. I'd hope you are playing devls advocate because surely nobody is horrific enough to suggest those on 20k - approximately 30% less than the average wage should be taking a 30% pay cut?

Or in short to answer the bolded bit... because they can damn well fucking afford it.
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Old 07-04-20, 05:41 PM   #6428
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Yes, they already pay the highest rate of tax... therefor they should also have to pay an extra 30%??

Yes they can afford it, but so could someone earning 149k... or someone earning 60k...

Why not raise everyone’s taxes by 5-10%? The high earners will still be contributing more, but it will be linear.

(Also to be clear, I’m not in the 150k+ bracket )
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Because I don't think the highest bracket is high enough. It only affects income above the threshold so they've got to be in it to win it
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Yes, they already pay the highest rate of tax... therefor they should also have to pay an extra 30%??

Yes they can afford it, but so could someone earning 149k... or someone earning 60k...

Why not raise everyone’s taxes by 5-10%? The high earners will still be contributing more, but it will be linear.

(Also to be clear, I’m not in the 150k+ bracket )
A 5% tax increase on families earning £15-30k will send many of them to a food bank. A 5% tax increase on families earning £150k means they can only afford to abroad twice or they have to rethink their extension.
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Not sure I agree.

It's most definitely a valid point yeah, however a footballer commenting on people getting paid ridiculous money because thats what the market dictates has some nerve IMO.
I don't give a shit how the message is given to the tory cnut tbh.
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I’ve always found the ‘it’s a short career’ excuse pretty galling. You earn £xmilliom per year until you are mid 30’s.

Why shouldn’t they have to retrain or get another job like the rest of us have to?
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It's an old argument that was true up until the 80s and maybe into the 90s,
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I just want to say how proud I am that Henderson is our captain.

Seeing all the other professional football players from other clubs make a point of giving him credit for bringing them all together to help the NHS shows how much respect he has amongst his peers, what a great leader he is & what a great human being he is.

We are lucky to have him.
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Aye......its such a shame, on a personal level for him for sporting reasons, that in a season in which he'll have risen to the top of his game, delivered the title for us and almost certainly have won the Player of the Year Award.........it'll be remembered for this bollocks of a pandemic and its effect on the season.

Deserved everything he gets this season.
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