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Old 08-02-20, 09:14 PM   #4241
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Worst conditions Ive ever witnessed for a Rugby match.

Almost nothing to comment on.

Freezing cold. Squalling. Torrential rain. 50mph wind

Every time the ball went in the air was a lottery.
I went on a work junket to Gleneagles a couple of times - that pretty much describes the weather for all the golf I played there except windier
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Old 08-02-20, 09:16 PM   #4242
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Well be big underdogs for that one
The pundits on the BBC just said you would be favourites
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Old 09-02-20, 10:05 AM   #4243
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The pundits on the BBC just said you would be favourites
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Old 09-02-20, 08:17 PM   #4244
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Lots of chatter on rugby sites that SA could be admitted to a 7 nations. Only source however is the Daily Mail
A lot of talk around this, wouldn't be a fan of this at all, although I'm pretty sure it will happen sooner or later. It makes a sense administratively and because a lot of South African players are based in Europe, presumably this would extend to club rugby with the SA leaving Super Rugby. The time zones and jet lag factor of Super Rugby makes little sense for South African tours. Although when you consider the money and quality of competition it's essential. Obviously the summer/winter thing is also a bit of an issue - it's not pleasant playing rugby in a Southern Hem summer with 30+ degree temps, although the first month of Super Rugby is exactly that already, I guess.

On the plus it would screw up NZ because they'd need their own competition with Australia and presumably Japan. Would drastically drop the level of what their players are exposed to and the experience of a proper SA tour which are so vital for development.
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Old 09-02-20, 09:12 PM   #4245
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Every time the ball went in the air was a lottery.

Lottery was what it looked like on TV especially when Heinz, Ford and Daly were taking it in turns to kick the ball out on the full.

I wouldn't actually have cared if England had lost in those conditions because there seemed to be quite a lot of pot luck involved and I was just pleased that they played with a more intensity.

But actually you were right in your pre-match comment about England's front five. As it turned out the scrums in the last quarter were probably the difference.

And Stuart Hogg must be about to have an absolute blinder in the next match after what's happened in the last two. It's just a shame that FR looks increasingly unlikely to be part of this year's competition.
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Old 09-02-20, 09:16 PM   #4246
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A lot of talk around this, wouldn't be a fan of this at all, although I'm pretty sure it will happen sooner or later.
I'm doubtful. There are several teams (e.g. Georgia) who have a stronger claim to be part of it.

And if any teams were added it would have to mean a change of format with couple of divisions and promotion and relegation - they can't keep adding games to an already packed schedule.
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Old 09-02-20, 10:19 PM   #4247
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Lottery was what it looked like on TV especially when Heinz, Ford and Daly were taking it in turns to kick the ball out on the full.

I wouldn't actually have cared if England had lost in those conditions because there seemed to be quite a lot of pot luck involved and I was just pleased that they played with a more intensity.

But actually you were right in your pre-match comment about England's front five. As it turned out the scrums in the last quarter were probably the difference.

And Stuart Hogg must be about to have an absolute blinder in the next match after what's happened in the last two. It's just a shame that FR looks increasingly unlikely to be part of this year's competition.
Yeah, actually, although he is a massive, massive whopper Eddie Jones gambled on the weather forecast being right and loaded the bench with forwards which probably was the reason England got the win.

The game was horrendous, realistically it should have been called off - the weather came in just on kick off. The rain is one thing, but the wind destroyed the game as a spectacle. The match was pretty much a coin toss with nothing of any substance happening in between. For about 25 mins the game went England out on full, Scotland choosing to throw to the back of the line. Both teams failing to read the conditions. It was cold and wet and a shit watch.

We are in the shit. We’ve not been awful but that’s another two defeats. Finn Russell’s fairly well put interview in the Times today shines the light on the SRU and Townsend. We need a couple of massive performances but I’m not sure we’ve got the squad unity. Italy looked good today so they will be well up for beating us and if they do... it could be game over for Gregor.

No Finn = No try’s.
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Old 09-02-20, 10:22 PM   #4248
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You couldn’t get a feel for the wind on TV.

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Old 15-02-20, 05:01 PM   #4249
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Nice try from Hogg last night which he started in his 22 then finished off after exchanging passes with Simmons.

Wondered if he needed a week off but it looked like the game did him some good.
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Old 16-02-20, 01:34 AM   #4250
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Nice try from Hogg last night which he started in his 22 then finished off after exchanging passes with Simmons.

Wondered if he needed a week off but it looked like the game did him some good.
Just saw it. That was a nice try, and I agree given the last two weeks it may have done Hogg a lot of good to get out of camp and get some rugby in with the chiefs.

Proper Warriors try this.

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Old 17-02-20, 09:09 PM   #4251
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WTF is going on at Exeter?

First they have a pretend Scot - Skinner.

Then they sign a real one - Hogg- then another Gray.

Now Hidalgo-Clyne is on his way there.

They'll be renaming themselves Exeter Caledonian at this rate
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Old 17-02-20, 09:46 PM   #4252
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WTF is going on at Exeter?

First they have a pretend Scot - Skinner.

Then they sign a real one - Hogg- then another Gray.

Now Hidalgo-Clyne is on his way there.

They'll be renaming themselves Exeter Caledonian at this rate


Hidalgo-Clyne is a solid Scrum Half. I'd actually forgotten all about him this season.
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Old 17-02-20, 11:37 PM   #4253
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I can't pretend I know loads about him. I saw him at Edinburgh and he looked handy but then he went to Wales I think but got loaned to Quins so clearly it didn't work out. Not sure what happened there? Was he injured?

And then on to France, initially as WC cover I think I read somewhere, so I've no idea if he's played much since.

Anyway he's going to be hungry I should imagine and that's the type of player they seem to relish at Chiefs.

In any event he's going to be an upgrade on Nick White. Well IMO although White seems to be pundits choice whenever I watch a game which is one of life's mysteries to me.

He clearly suits Chiefs quick tempo game but always has an error in him and often takes poor options it seems to me. And his box kicking is woeful which is at least 50% of a modern 9's armoury.

I've thought for a couple of years that a better SH would manifestly improve Exeter so maybe HC is that man.

My only worry Buzzo is that at this rate an English club is going to get your national team back into some sort of form
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Old 17-02-20, 11:48 PM   #4254
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It definitely cant hurt having players in that environment, and hopefully with Richie Gray heading back to Warriors it increases the strength in depth for the national team.

It is hard to know what to say about Scotland... I am starting to think to get us to where we need to be we need a Gatland style SH coach, to install better values and maximise the quality we definitely have. We have a few players about to gain residency this summer, we have strong performers in pretty much every department (maybe lacking a bit front row) but we cant seem to find any sort of form.

The Finn Russell situation is a failure of management no matter the rights and wrongs of how Finn has reacted. I think Townsend is in big trouble if we don't start winning. Our Summer and Autumn schedule is brutal so it could be a tough year.

The Italy match is huge. We should be strong favourites... yet...
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Old 18-02-20, 09:03 PM   #4255
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Winning becomes a habit and for various reasons Scotland have lost that habit.

Perhaps having more players at a Chiefs team that's used to winning will help.

I still think you'll beat the Italians and I wouldn't write off the French fixture just yet either (although Scotland will have to considerably up their scrummaging). They're a new team and if England had even remotely turned up in the first half France would have lost that game. Plus they have to go to Wales before going to Murrayfield and I can't see them winning that one. So confidence may be starting to ebb a bit.

The summer does look tricky though. It might be useful to still have GT in a job and let him take the flack before a new broom sweeps through in the autumn.
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Old 18-02-20, 09:07 PM   #4256
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In other news no Mako for England this w/e Nev.

I know you'll be sad about that

On the one hand we lose a bit of ball carrying but on the other I think the srcum is a touch stronger without him. Plus we get to enjoy more of 'Baby Rhino'. Who doesn't enjoy watching that
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Old 21-02-20, 09:16 PM   #4257
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Seldom watch Premiership Rugby, but must say the Wasps are putting together some stunning party pieces.
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Old 22-02-20, 01:34 PM   #4258
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Not normally like Sarries - the attitude is usually spot on even from the 2nd / 3rd team, but I think a combination of having nothing to play for in the league and the fact they're missing a significant International contingent had a fairly significant part in that.
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Old 22-02-20, 02:09 PM   #4259
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Another Bonus Point win for Edinburgh who are topping the division.

Huge changes in that we now are getting wins in during the internationals.
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Old 22-02-20, 03:27 PM   #4260
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Hastings is no Russell.

Missed a simple pen and followed up with the ball out on the full.
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Old 22-02-20, 03:29 PM   #4261
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Then kicks possession away setting Italy on the attack...
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Old 22-02-20, 03:30 PM   #4262
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Slightly better option taking at the end of that break and it would have been a hell of a try.
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Old 22-02-20, 03:33 PM   #4263
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Interesting that the ref told the Scots it wasn't necessary for him to get involved in the line out numbers. It's not but European refs ask pro-actively to stop messing about and bluffs.
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Old 22-02-20, 03:34 PM   #4264
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Slightly better option taking at the end of that break and it would have been a hell of a try.


We are putting ourselves under massive pressure with bad decisions.

Looks like it is going to be a scrap today.
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Old 22-02-20, 03:35 PM   #4265
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Both teams butchering promising field position.
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Old 22-02-20, 03:36 PM   #4266
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Sutherland is monstering the scrum though. What a tournament he is having.
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Old 22-02-20, 03:40 PM   #4267
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What a try Hoggy...!
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Old 22-02-20, 03:40 PM   #4268
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Not bad from Hogg.
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Old 22-02-20, 03:42 PM   #4269
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A world class bit of Rugby in amongst a lot of errors.
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Old 22-02-20, 03:46 PM   #4270
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A bit of extra confidence in that too I sensed.
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Old 22-02-20, 03:49 PM   #4271
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Would have been nice.
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Old 22-02-20, 03:49 PM   #4272
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A bit of extra confidence in that too I sensed.
Big time. An extra spring in the step.

Shame. Forward pass stops another try.
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Old 22-02-20, 03:52 PM   #4273
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Our forwards are starting to get on top.
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Old 22-02-20, 03:56 PM   #4274
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Our forwards are starting to get on top.
Not any more
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Old 22-02-20, 03:59 PM   #4275
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Polledri is wasted playing for Italy to be honest.
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Old 22-02-20, 03:59 PM   #4276
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I've been impressed with the Italian backs, they actually look threatening from time to time. That's not something I can recall happening a lot in the past.
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I quite enjoyed that half.

Some rubbish Buzzo as you mentioned but also quite open and entertaining.
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Old 22-02-20, 04:02 PM   #4278
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Italy are getting better for sure.

They scored some great try’s in Paris.

Frustrating half. Probably for both teams. Good game tho...
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Old 22-02-20, 04:25 PM   #4279
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Good try

Great work by the forwards.

Hastings misses the extras again.
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Watson and Richie have been immense.
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