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Lionel Messi

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We should be privileged to be witnessing one of the greatest ever and a true footballing god.



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He is the greatest of all time bar none!
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Old 10-06-12, 08:07 PM   #4
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IMO he is currently the best player in the world, past and present. The likes of Pele and Maradonna were great but Messi is in a different class
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No doubt he is the greatest but he needs to win a world cup at some point and play a key role in that win to silence the doubters.
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It's impossible to say Messi is better than Pele or Maradona, it is a discussion without a correct 'end off' answer. Diferent generations posed diferent problems. Look at the agricultural defending Pele and Maradona had to endure for one thing, ferocious tackling lke they had in the 60's, 70's and early 80's just doesn't exist now. However they are 3 of the all time greats without question. Zidane as well, a totally incredible player to watch. We are lucky to get to see Messi in an era where football is televised to the level it is. I am sure if SKY had been around in the time of Maradona and Pele, we would have got to see a lot more of them as well.
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It's impossible to say Messi is better than Pele or Maradona, it is a discussion without a correct 'end off' answer. Diferent generations posed diferent problems. Look at the agricultural defending Pele and Maradona had to endure for one thing, ferocious tackling lke they had in the 60's, 70's and early 80's just doesn't exist now. However they are 3 of the all time greats without question. Zidane as well, a totally incredible player to watch. We are lucky to get to see Messi in an era where football is televised to the level it is. I am sure if SKY had been around in the time of Maradona and Pele, we would have got to see a lot more of them as well.


different attitudes to lifestyle and training will also make a difference.

Messi is the best of his generation but impossible to really say who is or was the best of all time (if I was forced to pick one though it would be Messi)
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Old 10-06-12, 09:40 PM   #8
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Oh great, this debate again. I'm looking forward to all the new insights coming our way.








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Old 10-06-12, 09:42 PM   #9
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I thought we'd all agreed the true test was against Stoke away on a cold, wet Tuesday night. Until we see that we'll never know how good he is.
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Wednesday.

Stoke are crap on Tuesdays. (Although tbf fair, Stoke is crap every day of the week.)
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It's impossible to say Messi is better than Pele or Maradona, it is a discussion without a correct 'end off' answer. Diferent generations posed diferent problems. Look at the agricultural defending Pele and Maradona had to endure for one thing, ferocious tackling lke they had in the 60's, 70's and early 80's just doesn't exist now. However they are 3 of the all time greats without question. Zidane as well, a totally incredible player to watch. We are lucky to get to see Messi in an era where football is televised to the level it is. I am sure if SKY had been around in the time of Maradona and Pele, we would have got to see a lot more of them as well.
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The only way to put it is, Pele was the greatest of his generation, Maradonna was the greatest of his, now Messi is the greatest of this.
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82 goals for club & country this season.

82 goals.

82.
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82 goals for club & country this season.

82 goals.

82.
In all competitions, as a club we scored 79
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It's impossible to say Messi is better than Pele or Maradona, it is a discussion without a correct 'end off' answer. Diferent generations posed diferent problems. Look at the agricultural defending Pele and Maradona had to endure for one thing, ferocious tackling lke they had in the 60's, 70's and early 80's just doesn't exist now. However they are 3 of the all time greats without question. Zidane as well, a totally incredible player to watch. We are lucky to get to see Messi in an era where football is televised to the level it is. I am sure if SKY had been around in the time of Maradona and Pele, we would have got to see a lot more of them as well.
Fantastic post. It is IMO indeed a VERY tedious discussion. You can only be the best of your time. There's a top tier and I personally think it's best left at that. Puskas, Di Stefano,Pele,Maradona(my fave FWIW) ,Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Platini,ZZ,Messi etc. Then a 2nd tier. Moore, Muller, Best , Dalglish, Breitner, Matthaus, Ronaldo, Maldini, Henry, Bergkamp etc. Then a 3rd and so on.
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The only way to put it is, Pele was the greatest of his generation, Maradonna was the greatest of his, now Messi is the greatest of this.
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Old 10-06-12, 10:32 PM   #22
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The third goal was ridiculous, it seems to bobble a bit before he hits it and it makes no difference.

It might be that video, but is he actually getting quicker?
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I'd love to see Messi given a pair of old style boots and the old harder leather football and see how he does
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He's unbelievable. Even when you think he's done it all and he's all set for a summer holiday he pops up and scores a hat-trick against Brazil. How many players score hat-tricks against Brazil.

His 3rd goal was simply outstanding
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Yep, his third goal really was just something else. Total and utter genius.

On a side note, the Brazilian player Oscar looked more than a touch useful.
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The Pele/Maradonna debate has now become the Pele/Maradonna/Messi debate. Says it all really.
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The Pele/Maradonna debate has now become the Pele/Maradonna/Messi debate. Says it all really.
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Fantastic post. It is IMO indeed a VERY tedious discussion. You can only be the best of your time. There's a top tier and I personally think it's best left at that. Puskas, Di Stefano,Pele,Maradona(my fave FWIW) ,Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Platini,ZZ,Messi etc. Then a 2nd tier. Moore, Muller, Best , Dalglish, Breitner, Matthaus, Ronaldo, Maldini, Henry, Bergkamp etc. Then a 3rd and so on.
Definitely. People get way too hung up on this 'best player ever' tag. Its totally subjective. Hard to argue with your top tier and to be in that top tier is all a player can strive for. Players like Zidane and Platini are often over looked in these polls which tend to focus n guys who bagged loads of goals. Messi is easily the best player on the planet just now, and his name sits comfortably in the company you have placed him.
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Messi has been placed in a company by wavydavy?

Nicey's going to want to know why some ballbag is muscling in on his exec recruitment patch.
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I won't try to claim he was the best player of all time but my favourite was Zidane. I loved watching him play. The way he could use his close control to make space for himself was just incredible.
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Nicey's going to want to know why some ballbag is muscling in on his exec recruitment patch.
Nicey is like Reginald Perrin with tourettes.
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I won't try to claim he was the best player of all time but my favourite was Zidane. I loved watching him play. The way he could use his close control to make space for himself was just incredible.
Zidane is one of the most amazing players I've ever seen.
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He's the most amazing player I've ever seen live.
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Zidane is one of the most amazing players I've ever seen.
Seen a few clips of him lately, what with the Euros, and it's easy to forget how incredible he was. A unique footballer, almost a balletic poise and balance. Messi has to be above him though. I think Messi is under-appreciated in a way, we take it for granted. Just watch a compilation of all of his goals - it's fucking mindblowing. Goals, after all, is the game's most vital currency, probably the hardest skill, so Messi's achievements are phenomenal and I wouldn't argue with anyone calling him the best ever.

All that said I agree it's pointless comparing player across different generations.
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Best players I have ever seen actually at a match

Rivaldo
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He's the most amazing player I've ever seen live.
So who is the most amazing player you have ever seen dead ?
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Best players I have ever seen actually at a match

Rivaldo
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Messi (he was only 19 when I saw him play, he was amazing, but nowhere near what he is now)
Gerrard
I saw Dalglish a couple of times... Ronaldinho... Messi (same good, but not the force he is now)... Henrik Larrson was amazing at Celtic... Rudi Skacel...
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