Chelsea - Page 137

Kenneth · 21-08-20, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Norbs

Ah bugger, I've always liked Thiago Silva

Sure, but now he's a 35 year old centre back in the fastest major League in Europe. I can see his value for them as an experienced pro off the pitch, but I can't see him being particularly useful on it.

Sus · 22-08-20, 01:05 AM

Yep I dont get this one from a playing perspective. Hes about to turn 36, and has played the last few years in one of the slowest leagues in the world

Harv · 22-08-20, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Norbs

Ah bugger, I've always liked Thiago Silva

Hes 35. He'll get rings run round him in this league. Cant wait until he has to try contain Mane, Salah and Bobby

frank the tank · 22-08-20, 08:39 AM

I hope lampard buys loads of defenders. I don't think he is tactically good enough and with loads of signings he will struggle to find a formula. I reckon that he will be gone by the end of next year. Maybe Poch will be the next Chelsea manager after that.....

I wonder will there be any players marginalised that will leave chelsea??? I wouldn't mind Tomori

Irishnev · 22-08-20, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by frank the tank

I hope lampard buys loads of defenders. I don't think he is tactically good enough and with loads of signings he will struggle to find a formula. I reckon that he will be gone by the end of next year. Maybe Poch will be the next Chelsea manager after that.....

I wonder will there be any players marginalised that will leave chelsea??? I wouldn't mind Tomori

I think Roman is very keen on Naglesmann

Irishnev · 24-08-20, 12:54 PM

Tribute · 24-08-20, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Harv

Hes 35. He'll get rings run round him in this league. Cant wait until he has to try contain Mane, Salah and Bobby

...that's even older than Father Time himself, Mr 'fit as a butcher's dog' Milner!

red g · 24-08-20, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Irishnev

https://twitter.com/cfbayern/status/1297852968025432065

Some sttacking line up Chelsea will have next year. Has to be pressure on Frank for a proper title fight.

Tribute · 24-08-20, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by red g

Some sttacking line up Chelsea will have next year. Has to be pressure on Frank for a proper title fight.

...imagine winning the Premier League, earning £175m in prize money and then realising you'd just spent close to £300m on players to win it...

Sus · 24-08-20, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by red g

Some sttacking line up Chelsea will have next year. Has to be pressure on Frank for a proper title fight.

Has to be right? This is an unreal level of backing, especially for an uproven manager

Will be fascinating to see how he goes...

Buzzo · 24-08-20, 01:55 PM

Massively bloated squad now.

Will be interesting to see how Frank keeps them all happy. Particularly the young lads that broke through and will now struggle for game time.

Irishnev · 24-08-20, 01:58 PM

Norbs · 24-08-20, 02:04 PM

The new David Luiz

Buzzo · 24-08-20, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Irishnev

https://twitter.com/espnfc/status/1297870318686687232

He got skinned for pace by Lewandowski last night once or twice.

red g · 24-08-20, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzo

Massively bloated squad now.

Will be interesting to see how Frank keeps them all happy. Particularly the young lads that broke through and will now struggle for game time.

He got a lot of credit and rightly so for bringing through so many of the young lads, It would appear that this was an anomoly due to their transfer ban and they have gone back to their previous strategy. COuld be some good youngsters to pick off next year when they become disillusioned.

spud_gun · 24-08-20, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Irishnev

https://twitter.com/espnfc/status/1297870318686687232

Two years?

Wasn't he about 35 when he joined PSG from Milan

Buzzo · 24-08-20, 03:14 PM

He turns 36 in three weeks or so

so they’ve got him until he turns 38.

Chelsea will just sign anyone.

frank the tank · 24-08-20, 03:32 PM

Havertz, Chilwell, Silva, Werner, Ziyech - 5 good additions to them. Still have a dodgy goalie though!!!

Will be interesting to see how they perform and settle. Although they are 5 good players, only one has PL experience so it will possibly take time. A front 4 of Werner, Ziyech, Havertz and Pullisic will be pretty good though.

Irishnev · 24-08-20, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzo

He turns 36 in three weeks or so

so they’ve got him until he turns 38.

Chelsea will just sign anyone.

I was advocating the signing just pointing it out. He was class in his day but it’s an odd signing given the pace of the premier league. I suspect he’ll play central in the back 3 where he won’t get dragged wife and exposed as much.

Tomori and Christiansen will learn from him but if Kepa is behind you it doesn’t matter

Buzzo · 24-08-20, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Irishnev

I was advocating the signing just pointing it out. He was class in his day but it’s an odd signing given the pace of the premier league. I suspect he’ll play central in the back 3 where he won’t get dragged wife and exposed as much.

Tomori and Christiansen will learn from him but if Kepa is behind you it doesn’t matter

I was taking your post as a news update rather than your advocating the signing

frank the tank · 24-08-20, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Irishnev

I was advocating the signing just pointing it out. He was class in his day but it’s an odd signing given the pace of the premier league. I suspect he’ll play central in the back 3 where he won’t get dragged wife and exposed as much.

Tomori and Christiansen will learn from him but if Kepa is behind you it doesn’t matter

Good post

It will be interesting to see what formation they start to play. Lampard has changed a bit last season but for me, the best teams always tend to stick to the same formation and manage games accordingly.

You think a 3-4-3 formation? So Chilwell and possibly Azpilicueta as wing backs? Not sure they will be strong enough in the middle of the park then

Irishnev · 24-08-20, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by frank the tank

Good post

It will be interesting to see what formation they start to play. Lampard has changed a bit last season but for me, the best teams always tend to stick to the same formation and manage games accordingly.

You think a 3-4-3 formation? So Chilwell and possibly Azpilicueta as wing backs? Not sure they will be strong enough in the middle of the park then

They were openly playing 3-4-3 for large parts of the season

Aspi - RCB, Silva - CB, Rudiger - LCB
James - RWB, Chilwell - LWB
Kovacic, Havertz and Kante as the middle 3
Werner + 1 up top

Pulisic, Ziyech, Giroud, Mount, CHO, Abraham, Jorginho, Barkley, Christiansen + more...... too lazy to type

Oh and possibly Oblak

Exiled_red · 26-08-20, 09:31 PM

Signed Chilwell from Leicester for £45m

BobTheCharmer · 26-08-20, 10:16 PM

They have done some very good business, to suggest otherwise is bollocks. Fee wise I don't think they've overpaid but possibly in wages.

Pepe79 · 26-08-20, 10:30 PM

They’ve signed well, but they’ve spent freely too. They’re paying premium fees, which of course makes things much easier. There hasn’t been anything shrewd about their business.

BobTheCharmer · 26-08-20, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepe79

They’ve signed well, but they’ve spent freely too. They’re paying premium fees, which of course makes things much easier. There hasn’t been anything shrewd about their business.

Do you get more points if you're shrewd or have I missed something? If they sign Havertz for 80m that's excessive. But Chilwell is the going rate, lot less than maguire was. Werner wasn't expensive and I think klopp wanted him, just my view. Pulisic wasn't mad money either. Their wage bill must be extremely high though.

Pepe79 · 26-08-20, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BobTheCharmer

Do you get more points if you're shrewd or have I missed something? If they sign Havertz for 80m that's excessive. But Chilwell is the going rate, lot less than maguire was. Werner wasn't expensive and I think klopp wanted him, just my view. Pulisic wasn't mad money either. Their wage bill must be extremely high though.

Did I suggest that you do? I just said that it’s relatively easy to make good signings when you’re not financially constrained.

£45 is still big money for a full back. Pulisic was signed for roughy the same as what we paid for Alisson, and he’s our second biggest signing ever. Pretty hefty price tag if you ask me.

BobTheCharmer · 26-08-20, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepe79

Did I suggest that you do? I just said that it’s relatively easy to make good signings when you’re not financially constrained.

£45 is still big money for a full back. Pulisic was signed for roughy the same as what we paid for Alisson, and he’s our second biggest signing ever. Pretty hefty price tag if you ask me.

Sorry my mistake I thought pulisic was about 40m.

Pepe79 · 26-08-20, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BobTheCharmer

Sorry my mistake I thought pulisic was about 40m.

dizzycat · 27-08-20, 08:00 AM

Be interesting to see how Lampard manages that squad. He has now got depth and options galore. If he is pragmatic, they could significantly improve, hopefully the dodgy keeper factor will hold them back

labourRed · 27-08-20, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pepe79

They’ve signed well, but they’ve spent freely too. They’re paying premium fees, which of course makes things much easier. There hasn’t been anything shrewd about their business.

They've spent Morata and Hazard money and freed up wages elsewhere. Even if Havetz goes through they're on something like net even over 12 months.

It was the same with us and Alisson, Fabinho and Virgil. It pays off to reinvest well.

Pepe79 · 27-08-20, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by labourRed

They've spent Morata and Hazard money and freed up wages elsewhere. Even if Havetz goes through they're on something like net even over 12 months.

It was the same with us and Alisson, Fabinho and Virgil. It pays off to reinvest well.

They got about £150m for Hazard and Morata. They also spent £97m on Kovacic and Pulisic last summer. They’ve spent £130m this window, before Havertz.

Even with bonus money for Hazard from Real’s La Liga win, they’ve well exceeded the income for him and Morata.

Werner has reportedly come in on £270k a week. Hazard was on £200k pw. With him and all these other signings (Silva and Havertz still to come) there’s no way their wage bill hasn’t expanded massively.

labourRed · 27-08-20, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pepe79

They got about £150m for Hazard and Morata. They also spent £97m on Kovacic and Pulisic last summer. They’ve spent £130m this window, before Havertz.

Even with bonus money for Hazard from Real’s La Liga win, they’ve well exceeded the income for him and Morata.

Werner has reportedly come in on £270k a week. Hazard was on £200k pw. With him and all these other signings (Silva and Havertz still to come) there’s no way their wage bill hasn’t expanded massively.

Up to £220 for Morata and Hazard though.

They also stockpile players, so have:
Pasalic £13m
Michael Hector £5m
David Luiz £8m
Tomas Kalas £8m
Ola Aina £8m

Not to mention how much they've recouped in loan fees in the past few years.

They've traded well, but we'll only know by how much next year.

The_weatherman · 27-08-20, 10:49 AM

Seems like good purchases, but:

1. Might be difficult to gel all these players with such a short pre-season.
2. Might be hard on Mount, Tomori, Tammi, Hudson-Odoi, could see rough morale.
3. The wages could be a problem FFP wise next season if attendance stays low and the season is curtailed.

frank the tank · 27-08-20, 11:15 AM

City have proved that FFP is a load of bollocks......wouldn't be surprised if Roman saw that and said "fuck this......we go again"

Didn't Hudson Odoi wait and wait for something like 180k per week??? Jesus!!!

danperkins · 27-08-20, 01:55 PM

They have massively improved their team, some fantastic business. Werner & Havertz are two of the best young German talents, Silva will bring experience, was a beast in his day but interesting to see can he hack the pace. Chilwell is much better than what they currently have. For me, the most interesting one is Ziyech, has the potential to get so many goals and assists and is flying under the radar will the other being names mentioned.

Add them to the quality of Pulisic, Kante & Azpilicueta they will have a strong bench now too (Few may leave I would imagine). They are a few defenders short of having a pretty formidable starting 11.... on paper anyways. We'll see how that translates on the pitch & if these players can gel together. Sometimes it can be great getting so many quality players, other times it can be a dangerous game adding too many at once.

Buzzo · 27-08-20, 02:08 PM

They seem well set for when they change the rules to 15 a side.

I know Klopp prefers to run with a light squad it is easier to control morale and to keep everyone involved. There is no way Lampard has the chops to handle a bloated, ego heavy squad where he cant satisfy everyone with game time.

There is more to success than just buying in shit loads of good players.

Deano · 27-08-20, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by danperkins

They have massively improved their team, some fantastic business. Werner & Havertz are two of the best young German talents, Silva will bring experience, was a beast in his day but interesting to see can he hack the pace. Chilwell is much better than what they currently have. For me, the most interesting one is Ziyech, has the potential to get so many goals and assists and is flying under the radar will the other being names mentioned.

Add them to the quality of Pulisic, Kante & Azpilicueta they will have a strong bench now too (Few may leave I would imagine). They are a few defenders short of having a pretty formidable starting 11.... on paper anyways. We'll see how that translates on the pitch & if these players can gel together. Sometimes it can be great getting so many quality players, other times it can be a dangerous game adding too many at once.

Wouldn't put Azpilicueta as quality, but they've got some talent in James. I thought Kante was on his way out ?

Phoenix07 · 27-08-20, 06:34 PM

Signed Malang Sarr on a free.

I mentioned him in the transfer thread as a possible centre-back option.

danperkins · 27-08-20, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Deano

Wouldn't put Azpilicueta as quality, but they've got some talent in James. I thought Kante was on his way out ?

One of the most under rated prem defenders in the last 7 or 8 years imo. James is still bit raw but looks a talent. Kante staying put is huge for them.