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Old 13-09-21, 10:10 AM   #521
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There does not have to be ill intent for a foul to be worthy of a red card. Plus he did not slide in, both legs were clearly off of the ground when he started going into the challenge from behind so he had no control.

Think it was maybe Kenneth who put it up earlier in this thread, but the guideline for a sending off was put up and under the rules of the game what he did was red card worthy and pretty clear cut at that.
The pic someone posted shows it was definitely worthy of a straight red tho, if Harv has seen that pic and is still not convinced then there's no hope. It's a contact sport yes, but there are limits to what the contact can be.
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Old 13-09-21, 10:16 AM   #522
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I may be going mad, but isn’t the tackle from behind an instant foul?

So. It’s a straight red for me Clive. Almost a good tackle, but reckless and from behind the player. If those are allowed then we will have amazing ball retrieval stats and hospital wards full of mangled players.
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Old 13-09-21, 10:31 AM   #523
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Could not find Kenneth's post, but Rafa Justice also put up the UEFA the ruling with regards to sending off offences so dropping it in here.


Does not matter what brain dead idiots like Neville & co want to say when they pretend they have a clue about the game and it's rules. The actual rules of the game say it was a sending offence and a pretty clear cut one at that.


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SENDING-OFF OFFENCES

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:
denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)
denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (unless as outlined below)
serious foul play
biting or spitting at someone
violent conduct
using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or action(s)
receiving a second caution in the same match
entering the video operation room (VOR)
A player, substitute or substituted player who has been sent off must leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area.



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SERIOUS FOUL PLAY

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
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Old 13-09-21, 10:41 AM   #524
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Where did you see that?
You could see the bottom of his leg flapping between the knee and ankle.
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Old 13-09-21, 03:28 PM   #525
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Don't think it was ill-intentioned but the challenge was dangerous. Tackle from behind, side on. It wasn't a clean one footed tackle. Struijk's trailing leg trapped Elliott's lower leg.

Gutted for Elliott. He was starting to look very, very good. Hope he recovers well.
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Old 13-09-21, 03:35 PM   #526
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Old 13-09-21, 03:38 PM   #527
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Great to hear.

That picture of allison says it all.
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Old 13-09-21, 03:39 PM   #528
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Unreal isn't it.
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Old 13-09-21, 04:06 PM   #529
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Could be back in 6 months (and seems a dislocation of the ankle also means broken bones)

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Old 13-09-21, 05:04 PM   #530
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I reckon they were on the pitch within about maybe 5 seconds. It was predominantly down to Salah seeing what had happened immediately but the speed at which they are around his foot supporting it is amazing
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Old 13-09-21, 06:23 PM   #531
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I reckon they were on the pitch within about maybe 5 seconds. It was predominantly down to Salah seeing what had happened immediately but the speed at which they are around his foot supporting it is amazing
6 seconds from the tackle.
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Old 13-09-21, 06:32 PM   #532
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I didn’t see any footage beyond the initial foul and Mo yelling for the medics, etc but they said ok the anfield wrap that Thiago was lying on the floor next to him for a while to help keep him calm. Did anyone see that?

Thiago seems like a thoroughly decent human being.
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Old 14-09-21, 07:09 PM   #533
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Old 14-09-21, 08:01 PM   #535
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Great news.

Also interesting that Harvey said the Leeds guy had nothing to apologise for, was an accident and wasn't a red.

I must admit I didn't think it was reckless or malicious. I think the natural reaction when one of your own teams players get hurt is to look for blame. It's a physical game and injuries will occur. Completely different to that cunt Pickford who took out Virgil. That was a cunts tackle.
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Old 14-09-21, 08:03 PM   #536
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Yeah it wasn’t as bad as that, but still a red for me.

If he’d timed it better it would have been ok, but it was from behind, a lunge and he took out Elliots trailing leg. Might have been an accident but still reckless.
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Old 14-09-21, 08:12 PM   #537
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Yeah it wasnt as bad as that, but still a red for me.

If hed timed it better it would have been ok, but it was from behind, a lunge and he took out Elliots trailing leg. Might have been an accident but still reckless.
It's perception I guess. I'd have been steaming if someone like Gerrard had received a red back in the day. He did a lot of similar tackles.

Overall I'm in favour of the new approach of letting the game be more physical. It's not perfect but it's better now a player doesn't get a freekick for a defender breathing on him. I'd always prefer to watch a good two footed tackle over a couple of fancy backheels but that's never going to be allowed again and i realise I'm in the minority on that.
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Old 14-09-21, 08:25 PM   #538
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Actually, I agree to an extent.

It’s definitely better in terms of the amount of ‘play ons’ and hopefully stops the diving and play acting. But I will be interested to see what happens if there are a few bad injuries.

But for that one, you can’t tackle from behind so instant foul for me. But I can see the ‘other side’ and also yeah, it always seems different depending on which side of the decision you are on.
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Old 15-09-21, 06:52 AM   #539
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Great news.

Also interesting that Harvey said the Leeds guy had nothing to apologise for, was an accident and wasn't a red.

I must admit I didn't think it was reckless or malicious. I think the natural reaction when one of your own teams players get hurt is to look for blame. It's a physical game and injuries will occur. Completely different to that cunt Pickford who took out Virgil. That was a cunts tackle.
I would add the tackle on Harvey was a cunts tackle. He lunged in and won the ball fair enough, however, he intentionally clattered Harvey with his trailing leg

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Old 15-09-21, 09:43 AM   #540
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I would add the tackle on Harvey was a cunts tackle. He lunged in and won the ball fair enough, however, he intentionally clattered Harvey with his trailing leg
I kind of agree and I do think he was trying to "leave one on him". Harvey had just burst passed him and you could see that pissed him off. It wasn't "a horror challenge" by any means but it was dangerous and overly aggressive and the results of that speak for themselves
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Old 15-09-21, 11:11 AM   #541
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I kind of agree and I do think he was trying to "leave one on him". Harvey had just burst passed him and you could see that pissed him off. It wasn't "a horror challenge" by any means but it was dangerous and overly aggressive and the results of that speak for themselves
I agree it wasn't a horror tackle, it was a vole tackle

Harvey had been giving him the runaround and he saw his chance level the score
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Old 15-09-21, 11:20 AM   #542
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There's also an element of owning the tackle. If you go to ground clatter a player then you've got to own any injury that you may cause.
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I agree it wasn't a horror tackle, it was a vole tackle

Harvey had been giving him the runaround and he saw his chance level the score
It was a "welcome to the Premier League kid" challenge
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Old 15-09-21, 12:37 PM   #544
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I thought it was a bad challenge, but it was nowhere near as cynical as some of those Burnley ones, so in that sense it's a bit of a shame they weren't the ones punished for their thuggery.
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Old 15-09-21, 05:28 PM   #545
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Old 15-09-21, 05:48 PM   #546
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Hopefully ‘it’ isn’t Harvey’s ankle.
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Old 15-09-21, 05:53 PM   #547
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Hes being far too nice about it

Pascal will be playing again in a couple of weeks, dont worry about him, Harvey.
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