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Old 05-01-21, 01:23 PM   #3681
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Old 06-01-21, 12:11 AM   #3682
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That's nice, a nice summer break will do him the world of good, he can come back next year fully refreshed and firing in the goals for us!
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Old 16-01-21, 11:34 AM   #3684
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"Now Lovren has gone, who's your best friend in the squad?"

"Probably Kostas"

("cos he's new and all the established lads don't like me")

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"Now Lovren has gone, who's your best friend in the squad?"

"Probably Kostas"

("cos he's new and all the established lads don't like me")

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He comes across so well and seems like a genuinely lovely chap, very humble as well given his mega stardom. Diplomatic potential as well with some of those answers.
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Old 18-01-21, 06:40 PM   #3691
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It wouldn't break my heart if he left at the end of this season to be honest. He seems to be becoming a little disruptive
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Old 18-01-21, 06:41 PM   #3692
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Basically Madrid & Barca are skint and a deal is unlikely. Give me more money

I'd be very cautious offering him a new deal on present form. He's gradually becoming less hard to play against with every season he's been here. Whether that's him or defenders working him out I'm not sure, probably a bit of both. But his record is still awesome and we'd need a bloody good replacement. I'd also say I thought his effort was better yesterday, still totally ineffective but he was at least putting a shift in.
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I agree with most of what you say Bob. Though he definitely gets a disproportionate amount of grief for a guy who has 111 goals in 177 games.

Try and find those else where. His single minded desire for goals has won us many, many games. He is also still only 28.

Not easy to replace. No guarantees with a Sancho or Mbappe coming in and setting the League on fire with neither having played in the Prem.
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I don't want him to leave but I think he will, he's not been in great form of late and as above, he's become slightly disruptive.
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I agree with most of what you say Bob. Though he definitely gets a disproportionate amount of grief for a guy who has 111 goals in 177 games.

Try and find those else where. His single minded desire for goals has won us many, many games. He is also still only 28.

Not easy to replace. No guarantees with a Sancho or Mbappe coming in and setting the League on fire with neither having played in the Prem.
All true, and if he played as a 9, front and centre, then there would be no issue, people would only really expect goals and he's certainly delivered. But as a wide player, more is asked of him and he has to be an integral part of the machine, defending, assisting, retaining possession, pass and move etc, and it's a position where a singular focus on scoring can effect other areas of the team as a whole.

Not saying I want Salah gone, quite the opposite. I would like to see Shaq in Salah's position, and Salah talking the central position while Bobby has some time on the bench.
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Basically Madrid & Barca are skint and a deal is unlikely. Give me more money

I'd be very cautious offering him a new deal on present form. He's gradually becoming less hard to play against with every season he's been here. Whether that's him or defenders working him out I'm not sure, probably a bit of both. But his record is still awesome and we'd need a bloody good replacement. I'd also say I thought his effort was better yesterday, still totally ineffective but he was at least putting a shift in.
Its a little difficult to judge the man on current form as the balance of the side is completely shot.

What this period has exposed is our lack of depth and the fact that we simply can't afford the luxury of persistently injured personnel. We need to move Matip, Kieta and the Ox on. As for one of the regulars, it would be Firminho out first for me.
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I would like to see Shaq in Salah's position, and Salah talking the central position while Bobby has some time on the bench.
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All true, and if he played as a 9, front and centre, then there would be no issue, people would only really expect goals and he's certainly delivered. But as a wide player, more is asked of him and he has to be an integral part of the machine, defending, assisting, retaining possession, pass and move etc, and it's a position where a singular focus on scoring can effect other areas of the team as a whole.

Not saying I want Salah gone, quite the opposite. I would like to see Shaq in Salah's position, and Salah talking the central position while Bobby has some time on the bench.
I agree, Bobby is the piston that is not firing, and everything breaks down when he is off song. He needs a few games on the bench and then as an option form the bench we start to look a lot stronger. It's soo annoying that Jota is out, as he was genuine x factor to what may have become a slightly predictable attack.

Overall though I've no doubts Salah will come good.
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I thought Bobby's "issues" had to do with him misfiring in front of goals? I thought he played ok yesterday, linking up play quite well and doing his defensive work. He's not at his best, but he's not the weak cog in the wheel. I think the main issue is they are not playing well as a unit, trying too hard to sort things out individually. What comes to mind is that great move in the first half when Bobby and Shaq turned the United defence and Bobby chose to shoot instead of passing to Robbo who was clear. That was a clear cut opportunity if the right pass was played.
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It wouldn't break my heart if he left at the end of this season to be honest. He seems to be becoming a little disruptive
Should have kept Lovren, he was Salah's bestie and obviously kept him grounded.
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Jurgen must be gutted he left Lovren leave in hindsight. In reality, I thought Lovren was a car crash but he would have got lots of games this season. Also, he was particularly shite when called upon in an emergency - ie one game after a long time not playing. But when he had a good run in the team, he was sometimes adequate.


With Salah, I think this summer is possibly the last time we can really cash in. If we keep him, then he is approaching 30 and his value will drop. I think Mo obviously looks after himself really well so he could play in the Italian league 5 or 6 years from now and still be one of the best players. But perhaps not with the premier league.

If you were Barcelona, and Messi was leaving, then surely Mo Salah would be on your list to replace him. He plays in the same position, will score loads of goals and probably opens up a lot of marketing opportunities for the club. The transfer fee is obviously the stumbling block but surely Edwards could help them find creative ways to pay.

Another possible option would be PSG if either Neymar or Mbappe left. But I am not too sure that Mo would move to the French league at this stage of his career.
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Old 19-01-21, 10:23 AM   #3703
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Jurgen must be gutted he left Lovren leave in hindsight. In reality, I thought Lovren was a car crash but he would have got lots of games this season. Also, he was particularly shite when called upon in an emergency - ie one game after a long time not playing. But when he had a good run in the team, he was sometimes adequate.


With Salah, I think this summer is possibly the last time we can really cash in. If we keep him, then he is approaching 30 and his value will drop. I think Mo obviously looks after himself really well so he could play in the Italian league 5 or 6 years from now and still be one of the best players. But perhaps not with the premier league.

If you were Barcelona, and Messi was leaving, then surely Mo Salah would be on your list to replace him. He plays in the same position, will score loads of goals and probably opens up a lot of marketing opportunities for the club. The transfer fee is obviously the stumbling block but surely Edwards could help them find creative ways to pay.

Another possible option would be PSG if either Neymar or Mbappe left. But I am not too sure that Mo would move to the French league at this stage of his career.
Trouble was, Lovren only managed 5 game runs before injury himself if i recall correctly. Not replacing him was the problem.
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Trouble was, Lovren only managed 5 game runs before injury himself if i recall correctly. Not replacing him was the problem.
Fab was Lovren's replacement.

Klopp, or anyone else for that matter, didn't foresee us losing both first choice centrebacks to season ending injuries in the first few weeks of the season.
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Fab was Lovren's replacement.

Klopp, or anyone else for that matter, didn't foresee us losing both first choice centrebacks to season ending injuries in the first few weeks of the season.
A lot of us on here were nervous about going into the season with only 3 recognised senior CBs and Fabinho as a back up. Mostly because of Matip's injury record and some still see Gomez as injury prone. I think in all honesty everyone (Klopp included) knew it was a gamble but most probably envisaged the worst case scenario being one of the 3 CBs being out for a while and a minor injury or suspension for another meaning we are left with Fabinho plus the other remaining available CB for a handful of games and probably thought we could live with that. Unfortunately we lost big time on that gamble.
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Trouble was, Lovren only managed 5 game runs before injury himself if i recall correctly. Not replacing him was the problem.
Lovren played a long-ish run of League and CL games before Christmas. He played really well in some big games for us.

But yeah, he was pretty injury prone also. We need to get another Dutch player in, in general they seem pretty robust.
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A lot of us on here were nervous about going into the season with only 3 recognised senior CBs and Fabinho as a back up. Mostly because of Matip's injury record and some still see Gomez as injury prone. I think in all honesty everyone (Klopp included) knew it was a gamble but most probably envisaged the worst case scenario being one of the 3 CBs being out for a while and a minor injury or suspension for another meaning we are left with Fabinho plus the other remaining available CB for a handful of games and probably thought we could live with that. Unfortunately we lost big time on that gamble.
Yip. The gamble assumed VVD would be relatively fit. He is arguably our best player........he has been a huge loss. If VVD had stayed fit, then anyone of the others Gomez, Matip or Fabinho would be a good partner for him. Or even Henderson.
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People saying Salah is disruptive and wouldn't be arsed if he left?

He's scored 17 goals this season thus far. 8 more than any other player.

He'd be a huge loss.

Even our own fans underrate how good he is.

I agree he is not on a run of great form but nobody is in the side.

As for disruptive I guess you're believing everything you read in the paper. Sure he is angling for a new contract but that's par for the course.

He says he wants to stay here but people still twist it.
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People saying Salah is disruptive and wouldn't be arsed if he left?

He's scored 17 goals this season thus far. 8 more than any other player.

He'd be a huge loss.

Even our own fans underrate how good he is.

I agree he is not on a run of great form but nobody is in the side.

As for disruptive I guess you're believing everything you read in the paper. Sure he is angling for a new contract but that's par for the course.

He says he wants to stay here but people still twist it.
I'm not saying putting Salah down or saying we'd be better off without him or anything like that, I agree he is a great player who would be a huge loss, but I feel that the 8 more goals than anyone else although accurate is a little misleading when 6 or them are penalties, on a 'like for like' basis he has 2 goals more than Mane. They are both important players to the team and are at a similar level IMO.
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Nobody gives Mane any grief though.
Because he works his arse off in every game. Doesn't throw his arms up in the air everytime he loses the ball either. Just saying.
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Because he works his arse off in every game. Doesn't throw his arms up in the air everytime he loses the ball either. Just saying.
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Because he works his arse off in every game. Doesn't throw his arms up in the air everytime he loses the ball either. Just saying.
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Because he works his arse off in every game. Doesn't throw his arms up in the air everytime he loses the ball either. Just saying.
Good point. Mo shouldn't get pissed off with himself when he loses the ball.
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I'm not saying putting Salah down or saying we'd be better off without him or anything like that, I agree he is a great player who would be a huge loss, but I feel that the 8 more goals than anyone else although accurate is a little misleading when 6 or them are penalties, on a 'like for like' basis he has 2 goals more than Mane. They are both important players to the team and are at a similar level IMO.
It's a fair enough point but he has still put the ball in the back of the net.

He's also second highest (joint) for assists with Trent.

I'm not saying he's perfect but the narrative spoken about one of our best players of modern times is mental sometimes.
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People saying Salah is disruptive and wouldn't be arsed if he left?

He's scored 17 goals this season thus far. 8 more than any other player.

He'd be a huge loss.

Even our own fans underrate how good he is.

I agree he is not on a run of great form but nobody is in the side.

As for disruptive I guess you're believing everything you read in the paper. Sure he is angling for a new contract but that's par for the course.

He says he wants to stay here but people still twist it.
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It's a fair enough point but he has still put the ball in the back of the net.

He's also second highest (joint) for assists with Trent.

I'm not saying he's perfect but the narrative spoken about one of our best players of modern times is mental sometimes.
I think he's thinking less about the team's success and becoming more of an individual and that that is at the detriment of the team. While he's trying to carve through defences he's ignoring better options. You can see frustration among his mates on the pitch.

That's not slagging him off or undervaluing him, it's an observation that most people are making. The way he plays looks as if he feels he can't trust anyone to score and that means he feels superior, whether rightly or wrongly. If our team play benefits from changing one player then I'm all for it. However, I think it's a phase and that we'll hopefully work through it
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It's a fair enough point but he has still put the ball in the back of the net.

He's also second highest (joint) for assists with Trent.

I'm not saying he's perfect but the narrative spoken about one of our best players of modern times is mental sometimes.
Like I said I wasn't having a pop at him I just think that as much as I think the criticism of him is over the top I think that stat exaggerated how much more he had contributed than others I'm just trying to be balanced
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Mo started doing a Penandes on Sunday - losing possession so often that both were just throwing their arms in the air each time. Mo is undoubtedly having a bit of a blip form-wise... he's lost that initial injection of pace to get past the defender and now seems to think running through them is just as good an alternative.
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Mo started doing a Penandes on Sunday - losing possession so often that both were just throwing their arms in the air each time. Mo is undoubtedly having a bit of a blip form-wise... he's lost that initial injection of pace to get past the defender and now seems to think running through them is just as good an alternative.
I don't think he is slower or anything, I think it is just that he is getting the ball in different positions and circumstances and that is not allowing him to use his talents. Now that is partly because the opposition are learning how to play him. It is true of Mane too, although he has a fullback still hurtling passed him to distract defenders (Mane calls him 'decoy' for good reason) and Mane just seems able to stand the full back up and beat him more easily than Mo.
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