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I can't remember the last time a Test match started on a Friday rather than the usual Thursday - anyone know why it didn't start today? :confused:
It's because they're playing back to back Tests. Personally I don't think they need 3 days instead of 2 days to fully recover but there you go. The fact that the last Test finished so early actually means they've had longer off.
I may have some spares for the 4th day if anyone's interested. :cool:
KP is just a great batsman
plus Ian Bell is finally making that spot his own. Vaughan will struggle to return.
plus Ian Bell is finally making that spot his own. Vaughan will struggle to return.
I think Vaughan's finished, England-wise anyway. There's enough talent developing (Cook...and Bell is finally flourishing) to more than cover for his absence.
"Vell bowled Danish!"
Can see England fucking this one up.
Sprouty
06-08-06, 09:41 PM
Which wouldn't be that much of a shock.
andyinswinton
06-08-06, 10:20 PM
Its got draw written all over this now.
Its got draw written all over this now.
Knowing the Headingley wicket like the back of my hand I'd say there is plenty left in this particular wicket.
this match is not over yet although a draw looks most likely :handshake:
andyinswinton
06-08-06, 10:32 PM
I hope your right. There is nothing worse than watching test match cricket wind down when both sides know that a result will not be obtained.
Fingers crossed for an England win though!
Nailed on draw, no?
Nope, I don't think it's nailed on. If England bat for 4 sessions and then put Pakistan in at lunch on the 5th day, it's game on.
this pitch will change around lunchtime tomorrow, there will be variable bounce which Harmisson will be able to exploit IF he bowls well and also Monty will thrive on the last day.
I have to admit, it's unlikely that Harmisson will bowl well enough as he struggles at Headingley but you never know. It's also not impossible that Pakistan could bowl us out quickly tomorrow when the pitch changes.
Nope, I don't think it's nailed on. If England bat for 4 sessions and then put Pakistan in at lunch on the 5th day, it's game on.
this pitch will change around lunchtime tomorrow, there will be variable bounce which Harmisson will be able to exploit IF he bowls well and also Monty will thrive on the last day.
I have to admit, it's unlikely that Harmisson will bowl well enough as he struggles at Headingley but you never know. It's also not impossible that Pakistan could bowl us out quickly tomorrow when the pitch changes.
Hope you're right mate but I couldn't see us bowling them out in two afternoon sessions, if it came to that.
Anfield Mole
07-08-06, 09:37 AM
Can see England fucking this one up.
I am minded to agree with Dan. I think the Pakistan bowling will be a lot less rubbish than it was in the first innings.
I think Vaughan's finished, England-wise anyway. There's enough talent developing (Cook...and Bell is finally flourishing) to more than cover for his absence.
"Vell bowled Danish!"
I think the thing that might save him is that everyone else who has been tried as captain has been distinctly uninspired. If he can get back to fitness and form I think he will come back, looks like a big if though.
I think the thing that might save him is that everyone else who has been tried as captain has been distinctly uninspired. If he can get back to fitness and form I think he will come back, looks like a big if though.
Yeah bat-wise he's replaceable, but he's got a fantastic cricketing brain and he's clearly the best captain we have. I say, regardless of what happens with his injury, he should be kept on in some capacity in the England set-up. He's the best captain we've had for a long time.
I agree, it would be good to see Vaughan incorporated into the coaching/selecting team even if he were to not be able to play again.
What surprises me in cricket is the resistance to people getting tips from the coach. The recent substitute fielder debate has raised all sorts of wierd opinions from long standing cricket fans. It was really interesting to listen to TMS over the weekend and see how veciferous peoples opinions about the length of breaks were. It's not even as though they interfere with the flow of the game.
Also, I think that the ICC should consider allowing captains to have a mic to communicate with the dressing room. I don't see what problem it would cause. It might even allow someone like Vaughn to keep a big influence on the team while injured.
Fookin marvellous stuff so far from Strauss and Trescothick.
Tresco needs a good innings. Looking good.
Tresco needs a good innings. Looking good.
:o
Spoke to soon. Tresco's gone for 58. 158-1.
Cook gone now, for 21. 190-2.
Bastard! Pietersen and Kaneria were embroiled in a right battle...verbals galore, and Pietersen starts by hitting him all over the place. The Kaneria clean bowls him (for 16) out of nowhere with a googly. :rant:
Kaneria then proceeded to ape Shoaib Akhtar's "chicken" celebration from last winter. :rant:
Strauss ton up. 218-3.
Strauss out. Not looking good for a conclusive England victory, could be an exciting last day though.
249-5 - we need to get a grip now.
Read's batting nicely....could be a handy partnership, these two.
They have done a really good job - I'm sure that will come back to haunt me.
They have done a really good job - I'm sure that will come back to haunt me.
Unbelievable!!!
Right - I'm not saying anything for the rest of the test.
Right - I'm not saying anything for the rest of the test.
That was truly incredible though. Five seconds after the post appeared...CLONK! Bails everywhere. :o
:o is pretty much all there is to say. Incredible timing.
It's a bad day when you wish you had Giles in the team for his batting.
What do thing - go for a bit of a slog and try and get a few overs at Pakistan or play slowly and hope to hang in long enough to guarentee a draw?
What do thing - go for a bit of a slog and try and get a few overs at Pakistan or play slowly and hope to hang in long enough to guarentee a draw?
Well...in the interests of winning the series I suppose we should opt for the latter, but personally I want to see us have a bit of a slog and maybe have half a dozen overs or so at them tonight.
I think we need to get the winning mentality back and therfore need to go for a slog. I'm not happy with a team that settles for a draw in any sport.
I think we need to get the winning mentality back and therfore need to go for a slog. I'm not happy with a team that settles for a draw in any sport.
Same here, which is why I'd prefer us to have a slog too. Sadly though, the England hierachy have a bit of a negative mentality IMO. Strauss' captaincy has been a tad negative so far and it wouldn't at all surprise me to see us 'make sure we don't lose' first and foremost.
Been a bit disappointed by Strauss as captain. I thought Tresco was functional but uninspired but he seemed more settled and effective than Strauss.
You seem to be right Fletcher seems to inspire a cautious approach.
Same here, which is why I'd prefer us to have a slog too. Sadly though, the England hierachy have a bit of a negative mentality IMO. Strauss' captaincy has been a tad negative so far and it wouldn't at all surprise me to see us 'make sure we don't lose' first and foremost.
agree wholeheartedly .. that said tomorrow should be a cracker :)
Did anyone aee me? I was there :)
Anyway, told you it wasn't over and that the pitch would change today. :)
England will win tomorrow, probably by about 70-100 runs ;)
I'm going tomorrow, 15 quid entry ;)
:handshake:
Did anyone aee me? I was there :)
Anyway, told you it wasn't over and that the pitch would change today. :)
England will win tomorrow, probably by about 70-100 runs ;)
I'm going tomorrow, 15 quid entry ;)
:handshake:
You didn't have the traditional "all day bender at the cricket" then?!
Should be a great day tomorrow, with a likely full house? Certainly should be at that price, although they only charged £10 on the last day of the Ashes Test at Old Trafford last summer.
Not sure which way it'll go. Inzy's injury will unsettle them though - he can't come until number 7, I think.
You didn't have the traditional "all day bender at the cricket" then?!
Should be a great day tomorrow, with a likely full house? Certainly should be at that price, although they only charged £10 on the last day of the Ashes Test at Old Trafford last summer.
Not sure which way it'll go. Inzy's injury will unsettle them though - he can't come until number 7, I think.
There's more in this game than there was last year. It's very likely we'll get a full day's play.
I couldn't do a "Gary Player" today as I had stuff to sort out but I might do tomorrow ;)
great test match. Shame I missed most of it so far.
I reckon Monty may do us proud.
I love Monty, the bloke is a ledge. Great to see the crowds taking him to their hearts.
I expect 5 wickets from Monty tomorrow, the 5th day headingley pitch will suit him.
I expect 5 wickets from Monty tomorrow
No pressure then. :D
Looking to Hoggy for the wickets myself...should get a bit of movement on his home pitch.
No pressure then. :D
Looking to Hoggy for the wickets myself...should get a bit of movement on his home pitch.
I don't think the weather will be in his favour tomorrow, there might be some movement in the morning but it won't swing after lunch.
Either way, the only way England can lose this is if Pakistan are something like 275 /8 and they have a thrash. If Pakistan start well, there will be a lot of bowling 2 feet outsdie off stump :D
chewyuk
08-08-06, 12:02 AM
tomorrow should be a belting day. 35 run victory :)
Just had a look at the betting...
England 6/4
Draw 5/4
Pakistan 11/4
England look pretty decent value, huh?
Not bad odds for England :eyebrow:
chewyuk
08-08-06, 12:37 AM
think I may have a dabble at those odds.
think I may have a dabble at those odds.
Did you back us? Looking good, Monty strikes!! 52-2.
On yer fookin' bike Akmal! Do one!
Looks like game over. 6/4 too, get in!
IanTheRed
08-08-06, 12:52 PM
On yer fookin' bike Akmal! Do one!
Looks like game over. 6/4 too, get in!
Hope you got that bet on - 80-5 now!
Faisal Iqbal c C M W Read b S I Mahmood
Kamran Akmal c C M W Read b S I Mahmood
Inzamam is allowed to bad now at 7 isn't he?
Hope you got that bet on - 80-5 now!
Faisal Iqbal c C M W Read b S I Mahmood
Kamran Akmal c C M W Read b S I Mahmood
Inzamam is allowed to bad now at 7 isn't he?
That's the wicket I was cheering!
Yeah I'm on us at 6/4 on its own and in an accumulator.
Inzy's in now, aye.
Haven't seen this test though there must have been some cracking batting displays - some amount of runs there.
It's been a great Test match so far.
IanTheRed
08-08-06, 02:12 PM
MONTYYYYYYYYY!! :rock:
Just love the terminology on the BBC website - 'Chin Music'
1403: WICKET - Pakistan 112-6 (Younis b Panesar 41)
A crackerjack delivery from Panesar to dismiss Younis Khan. The ball pitched on middle stump, turned across the face of Younis' bat and flicked his off bail. Younis had no chance. England are into the tail-end and Sami is next man in. An optimistic lbw appeal by Panesar first up - but Sami sees off the rest of the over. A wicket-maiden.
1400: Inzamam piles into a short one from Harmison - arrogant, dismissive, glorious. Harmison is riled and serves Inzy up some chin music that gets the Pakistan skipper hopping around the crease.
we`re beginning to show strength in depth
some cracking displays..monty shutting the door on giles methinks
bell tonning for fun..let`s hope he can play as well against the aussies
flintoff to come back..should be a good winter :)
I doubt it Fletcher rates overall contribution, so Giles will be in with a shout until Panesar proves himself in the field or as a batsman.
However Panesar has made big strides and it makes a change for England to go to Australia with two spinners neither of whom are a complete embarassment.
Giles is playing catch up now. I can't see him displacing Monty. THe difference is, Monty can take wickets on an unfavourable pitch against batsmen who are top class against spinners. Giles used to bowl into the rough and/or frustrat batsmen into making mistakes. Often he was used as a stop gap whilst our pacemen had a rest.
Monty is a strike bowler. I haven't been this excited about an England spinner since Tufnell took the game seriously. Unfortunately it was shortlived in his case.
I watched the last day of the Lords test and what was noticable about Monty was how his body language changed when the crowd was giving him support. He then looked twice as confident and consequently seemed to bowl more threateningly. I hope that his success in this series will mean that he will in future back himself without needing a crowd.
I think that it will be interesting to see how it pans out. You ar e certainly right that Giles will now have to prove his form rather than walk straight into the team.
tuffers before bushtucker trials & loans.co.uk .. them was the days :handshake:
I remember Tuffers single-handedly (well not quite) bowling out the formidable Windies at the Oval once. Pure class.
Strength in depth now or what?!
Ashes certainties (1st XI, I mean):
Strauss
Trescothick
Cook?
Pietersen
Flintoff
Hoggard
Panesar?
Harmison
Eight positions pretty much nailed on, fitness permitting, and these lot fighting for the other three:
Chris Read
Geraint Jones
Bell
Mahmood
Collingwood
Plunkett
Ashley Giles if fit
That's 15 players who you'd back to do a decent job, and we've still Simon Jones to come back from injury (one day...hopefully) and possibly even Vaughan.
I'd put Read in as a certainty now.
He is just the best wicket keeper in the country and it is a specialist position. He has shown he can bat, OK he hasn't got a Test ton like Jones, but he can bat with the openers and he can bat with the tail.
Jones will drop more catches and crucially miss more stumpings than Read and IN AUSTRALIA where pitches are hard and swing is minimal, chances will be at a premium for England. That is where we have lost Ashes series in australia before, we haven't had the bowlers to create the chances and their batsmen make hay.
For the record, I think we'll lose the Ashes, at best we might draw the series and retain the Ashes, but we will be much more competitive than in the last 20 years.
It's interesting Shaggy that you put Cook as a certainty but Bell as a possibility. I think they are in direct competition.
S. Jones will not play for the first 3 tests but may be back for the last 2- no chance in my opinion.
I don't think Michael will play, he's pretty down about it to be honest.
Jimmy Anderson is still young and must be included as a possibility.
Come on then cricket fans, who would be your England 16 for the Ashes assuming Vaughan and S.Jones are out but Giles is fit?
goes away to ponder
Agreed re Read, but he may have a little bit more to do yet in terms of cementing his place. I do think he'll do it though, comfortably.
Cook and Bell may well be in direct competition when Flintoff gets fit, with Collingwood almost certain to make way for Fred, although they could line up in the same side? I prefer Cook myself, despite Bell's recent good form. Cook is brilliant on the back foot - which will come in very handy in Australia.
Injuries permitting, I'd go with this 16:
Strauss
Trescothick
Cook
Pietersen
Bell
Flintoff
Read
Panesar
Hoggard
Harmison
Mahmood
Collingwood
AN Other batsman (?)
Geraint Jones
Plunkett
Anderson
It's the 6th batsman that I'm struggling with too. Of course if Michael was fit, he'd be first choice, but he won't play.
I've got 2 all rounders, 2 keepers, 5 batsmen and 4 bowlers nailed on.
I'm not sure who the 5th and 6th bowlers are but it would be out of Anderson, Mahmood, Plunkett, S.Jones (risky) and Tremlett.
chewyuk
08-08-06, 07:39 PM
Did you back us? Looking good, Monty strikes!! 52-2.
Sits back and smokes cigar :)
I think we will take Jones in addition to the rest of the squad, or send him to that academy thing we send young players to in Australia to carry on rehab but still be available if fit.
I have to say I would worry going into a test against Australia with any of Anderson, Tremlett, Mahmood or Plunkett in the side. They all need to work on bowling a consistant line and hold down an end when it is not going for them.
Sits back and smokes cigar :)
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chewyuk
08-08-06, 08:32 PM
Not much but a few Kronenberg Blanc's have been sunk !
I'm basking in my predictive prowess having dismissed the "nailed on draw" claims and also my prediction that we could bowl Pakistan out in 2 sessions on a last day pitch.
I know my Headingley pitches ;)
chewyuk
08-08-06, 08:41 PM
I heard there was a right screw up with tickets this morning?
I'm basking in my predictive prowess having dismissed the "nailed on draw" claims and also my prediction that we could bowl Pakistan out in 2 sessions on a last day pitch.
I know my Headingley pitches ;)
As every true Yorkshireman should!
Good call anyway. It's unreal that pitch. Two 500+ innings' racked up, followed by England being bowled out inside a day and Pakistan then duly being bowled out in barely half a day.
I heard there was a right screw up with tickets this morning?
Not really, just a shit-load of congestion. Fortunately I live a couple of miles away so I got my tickets nice and early :)
chewyuk
08-08-06, 08:45 PM
Tidy, Can't wait for International cricket to appear at Sofia Gardens :)
As every true Yorkshireman should!
Good call anyway. It's unreal that pitch. Two 500+ innings' racked up, followed by England being bowled out inside a day and Pakistan then duly being bowled out in barely half a day.
I think that's the sign of a good Test wicket, equal contest between bat and ball. Pakistan could have batted out that day if they wanted too, there were no devils in that pitch, but they threw it away with a daft run out. That pitch had enough in it for the bowlers but Pakistan lacked the mental application to bat out a draw. That was great news for spectators but I just feel Boycott would have loved batting on that track.
Although he`s now 28 & unlikely to ever get an England call up
the Nottinghamshire bowler Charles Shreck is on fire in the County Championship at the mo`
Although he`s now 28 & unlikely to ever get an England call up
the Nottinghamshire bowler Charles Shreck is on fire in the County Championship at the mo`
There are SO many bowlers who are there or thereabouts without being quite good enough:
Lewis
Mahmood
Anderson
Plunkett
Tremlett (had a bad season)
Then there's S.Jones who may be fit for the last 2 Tests.
Can't see any bowler breaking into the squad from nowhere.
chewyuk
08-08-06, 11:51 PM
Saw Jones in a local round the corner from my house, had a driver and a few mates, drinking seriously large quantities of Magners...Doubt he'll be fit.
TheStig
09-08-06, 12:41 AM
I love Monty, the bloke is a ledge. Great to see the crowds taking him to their hearts.
Correct.
I guess him playing for Northants helps though:D .
I'm going to the 4th day of the 4th test.
I went to the 4th day of the 5th test last year too!:cool:
EDIT: Anyone got a video of his "super" wicket today? I don't have Sky unfortunately.
Cannot believe the ECB were so stupid. This summer was absolutely crucial for cricket IMO, they could have built on last year and it would have taken away some interest from the WC, as it is, the WC got ALL of the coverage and the cricket came up very very much 2nd best.
I guess I could watch it on Five but I forgot today and it would also "justify" the ECBs decision which I can't do.
EDIT: Anyone got a video of his "super" wicket today? I don't have Sky unfortunately
You Tube of the Pakistan 2nd Innings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg5gHDZSqDI)
Monty`s Wonder Wicket is about 2:45 in, stunning bowling to Khan..one of the best players of spin.
I doubt we will see Giles play as the lone spinner again. I reckon Dalrymple is the future as all rounder.
Correct.
Cannot believe the ECB were so stupid. This summer was absolutely crucial for cricket IMO, they could have built on last year and it would have taken away some interest from the WC, as it is, the WC got ALL of the coverage and the cricket came up very very much 2nd best.
I guess I could watch it on Five but I forgot today and it would also "justify" the ECBs decision which I can't do.
I think it is not just the ECB who are to blame, the terrestrial broadcasters all put in low bids as they find it hard to schedule and can't guarentee viewers. It is a shame that some sort of shared agreement couldn't be reached. I think at least the Ashes series should be protected like the WC finals and other major sporting activities.
I actually think that the BBC should use their digital channels to play more cricket (and other sports). They have nothing on during the day and I suspect it could be done relatively cheaply.
Also the ECB they have encouraged a lot of people to come to the grounds. Meaning that almost every day has had a good crowd.
TheStig
09-08-06, 11:43 AM
The reason they have nothing on is there's no space on freeview!
TheStig
09-08-06, 11:59 AM
You Tube of the Pakistan 2nd Innings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg5gHDZSqDI)
Monty`s Wonder Wicket is about 2:45 in, stunning bowling to Khan..one of the best players of spin.
Link doesn't seem to be working for me.:(
The reason they have nothing on is there's no space on freeview!
In what sense, I'm intrigued. They have stuff on in the evening but not during the day - so presumably the capacity is there to do it and the free air time is there.
TheStig
09-08-06, 12:26 PM
In what sense, I'm intrigued. They have stuff on in the evening but not during the day - so presumably the capacity is there to do it and the free air time is there.
Nah, there'll be some channels that only broadcast up to 7pm and the BBC ones take this space when they start broadcasting at that time.
Link doesn't seem to be working for me.:(
Works for me
An alternative is to go to the You Tube (http://www.youtube.com/) site
& search for the user meekal2006
it`s on his 2nd page, hope that works for you :)
disclaimer: you`ll have to avert your eyes from his west ham clips
TheStig
09-08-06, 12:29 PM
Works for me
An alternative is to go to the You Tube (http://www.youtube.com/) site
& search for the user meekal2006
hope that works for you :)
Cheers I'm looking now.
I've found this and am now watching it:D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZpNleLh4-M.
EDIT: Nope the cricket still isn't working :( .
Cheers I'm looking now.
I've found this and am now watching it:D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZpNleLh4-M.
EDIT: Nope the cricket still isn't working :( .
Strange to see the penalty shoot out from a hammers point of view :D
The cricket link still working for me, confused why it`s not for you
Nah, there'll be some channels that only broadcast up to 7pm and the BBC ones take this space when they start broadcasting at that time.
But the BBC owns a whole multiplex as far as I understand. So it can only be other BBC channels that are replacing them. Not that I have any idea but CBBC etc. are not on during the day, so I think it must be possible. I'm going to hazard a guess and say that as people have got used to the BBC having no sport they thought it would be less hassle to deal with the criticism about not having cricket than it would be to put up with people saying that they were spending money on things they can't watch (i.e. need a Freeview box to watch the digital channels).
TheStig
09-08-06, 10:41 PM
But the BBC owns a whole multiplex as far as I understand. So it can only be other BBC channels that are replacing them. Not that I have any idea but CBBC etc. are not on during the day, so I think it must be possible. I'm going to hazard a guess and say that as people have got used to the BBC having no sport they thought it would be less hassle to deal with the criticism about not having cricket than it would be to put up with people saying that they were spending money on things they can't watch (i.e. need a Freeview box to watch the digital channels).
Actually CBBC and Cbeebies are on till 7, forgot about them, so presumably BBC 3 and 4 take over from this.
EDIT: Cricket is wokring for me now!
Bloody hell, freeview is much better value for the under 10's.
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