Newcastle Utd

[Howard_lfc]

I want this thread to discuss what we all think of Newcastle Utd. How come they get all the major decisions wrong? How come they're so shite? How
come their fucking fans sing at the end of a game when they've just been whacked - again? How come a club with all that potential hasn't won a trophy since 1969? Yes 1969!!! There are 40 year old blokes who've never seen their team pick up a fucking trophy for god's sake!
Even when they had an unasailable (sp) lead in the title race - they blew it. They had a great side under Keegan - and didn't win a carrot. So just what is it that's stopping this club from actually realising its potential. They can attract good players, pay good wages, give them a great part of the country to live in, and yet they still can't manage to get it right. They've even had decent managers in Kenny and Sir Bobby - but they were eventually seen off by the baying masses of the Geordie Nation.....
The club's history is litted with bad decision making, the latest one to appoint Glenn Roeder looks an absolute shocker of a decision. It would appear that they've decided to spend money on players (Duff, Martins) than on getting a decent manager in.......(why didn't they go for O'Neil????) And that brings me to the money side of it. Just where do they get all this cash from? Is Freddie Shepherd THAT rich - or is Sir Jon Hall dropping them a few back handers to tide them over?

I know this thread is a real mish mash of questions - followed by more questions - but exactly where do you start when you begin to talk about Newcastle Utd? Believe me - I tried to make it flow from one arguement to another but my head was chocker with more questions and so it became an amorphous mess !!!

We haven't got a game for a good while now - this should give us all enough time to have our two penneth on Newcastle Utd - or the barcodes if you prefer.

Fill yer boots!

H

[Mumsafan]

Why do their fat ugly fans stand there in all weathers with no feckin shirts on?

[Howard_lfc]

Why do their fat ugly fans stand there in all weathers with no feckin shirt son?

Who are you calling son? :D

[Mumsafan]

Who are you calling son? :D


:haha:


Sorry!

[kurtangle01]

It's a strange one but I think their over reliance on Shearer in recent seasons hindered them. Freddy Shephard and his board of directors is another reason IMHO. He's made some shocking managerial appointments and when he does have someone decent he never gives them the time to turn things round.

They never balance their money out over 4 or 5 transfers that will improve them as a team. They always spunk their load on trophy players and never seem to get the balance right.

Do you remember about 5 years ago when fat Freddy got caught slagging geordies off in a hidden camera sting. He said that "All female geordies were pigs!" " Newcastle fans were thick as shit because they paid him £34.99 for strips that he bought from Addidas for 3.99!" :haha:

It was funny when it came out but somehow he manged to find his way back in to the board room.

[Mumsafan]

Of late they've always had a selection of individuals and no team. They've had a series of managers not up to the job as well

[Dhav]

They do have one thing going for them though - the most "iconic shirt" in English football :rolleyes:

[Rich]

Do they try and claim that? Dear God! :haha:

[Dhav]

Do they try and claim that? Dear God! :haha:

I read it on one of their fan forums when Newcastle were "competing" with us to sign Kuyt.

One of the posts was along of the lines of: "he can chose to go to Liverpool, be a substitute and pick up trophies, or he can join us, be a hero, wear the most iconic shirt in English football, and have the chance to win a trophy"!!!:D

They haven't won anything in forty years but dont let that get in your way.

[fowlen]

I honestly believe that part of their failings are the fans.
They demand big name signings every year, and they get at least at least one big name (or spend shed loads on a one player) every year.

These signings might be pretty decent individual players, but they never seem to fit into the system that Newcastle play.

They'll also go out and sign one quality player, but having used significant funds, they then go and buy a couple mediocre players, so they spend big on Owen, Martins (and to a lesser extent Duff and Parker), but for every one of them they go out and buy older players (like Solano), or 2 or three very average defenders.

If they had a decent defense they'd be a decent side, but Roeder has bought badly in that department..... and they have very little cover everywhere else.

Added to that the Shepherd's decisions, the loss of Shearer, and their inability to give manager's time (and of course the rash appointment of Souness) means that they are further behind than they were a few years ago!

[Dhav]

I honestly believe that part of their failings are the fans.
They demand big name signings every year, and they get at least at least one big name (or spend shed loads on a one player) every year.

These signings might be pretty decent individual players, but they never seem to fit into the system that Newcastle play.

They'll also go out and sign one quality player, but having used significant funds, they then go and buy a couple mediocre players, so they spend big on Owen, Martins (and to a lesser extent Duff and Parker), but for every one of them they go out and buy older players (like Solano), or 2 or three very average defenders.

If they had a decent defense they'd be a decent side, but Roeder has bought badly in that department..... and they have very little cover everywhere else.

Added to that the Shepherd's decisions, the loss of Shearer, and their inability to give manager's time (and of course the rash appointment of Souness) means that they are further behind than they were a few years ago!


Exactly, and when they finally brought in a manager with a bit of pragmatism, ie Kenny, they sacked him in a year and a half.

[lfc4ever]

Newcastle face a tough test in the Uefa Cup group stage after being drawn to play Celta Vigo, Fenerbahce, Palermo and Eintracht Frankfurt in Group H.

There are four matches per club in each group, with two at home and two away against different opposition.

Newcastle face home games against Fenerbahce and Celta Vigo but travel to Sicily to take on Palermo and end the group with a trip to Frankfurt.

Palermo, in particular, could be a major obstacle, having beaten West Ham 3-0 at home in the last round to seal a 4-0 aggregate win.

But after hearing the draw, Magpies assistant boss Terry McDermott was confident Newcastle would qualify.

"I don't think it's daunting," he said.

"I think it's a very difficult draw we've got, but there's two home games and two away games, and if you win your home games you'd expect to qualify.

"If we keep everyone fit and free from suspension then you'd like to think we could qualify and go through."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/5399702.stm

OK, you can stop laughiing now!

[Shaggy]

I saw Shay Given on the telly earlier saying "The UEFA Cup may be seen as slightly secondary, in terms of finances anyway, but this group proves it isn't. This group is tougher than the one we had in the Champions League a few seasons ago."

:haha:

[TheStig]

I hated it when McDermott said that Bellamy "was getting into trouble at Liverpool." when that clearly wasn't the case.:rant: :whatever:

I hate Newcastle:handshake: . But they make me laugh.

[paulcooper4]

I hated it when McDermott said that Bellamy "was getting into trouble at Liverpool." when that clearly wasn't the case.:rant: :whatever:

I hate Newcastle:handshake: . But they make me laugh.
to be fair, we dont know he isnt. Was a hard one for me, as who do you side with? the fella who is currently wearing the shirt? or one of the best attacking midfielders weve ever had? I just tried to ignore it:handshake:

[TheStig]

to be fair, we dont know he isnt. Was a hard one for me, as who do you side with? the fella who is currently wearing the shirt? or one of the best attacking midfielders weve ever had? I just tried to ignore it:handshake:

How would McDermott know though?

:handshake:

[paulcooper4]

How would McDermott know though?

:handshake:
I suspect hes got better contacts at anfield than me:handshake:

[Morph]

I think the top and bottom of it is Freddy Shepherd, him and their board? have the final say in who the manager is, and they've picked some turkey's recently. They board authorizes ridiculous amounts of cash to be splashed on players that they aren't their number one priority. Let's face it they've spent the last 2 summers buying strikers and attacking players, when they've got one of the shittest defenses in the league, but they back their shit managers decisions to the hilt, until it comes time to fire them.

So basically they'll carry on going through the manager merry go round, until either there's a shakeup on the board, or they get lucky and hire a decent manager who can take them places.

[mersey86]

Let's face it they've spent the last 2 summers buying strikers and attacking players, when they've got one of the shittest defenses in the league.
True and rather funny ... or sad, depending on your perspective. Its like America's foreign policy. Don't think things out, just buy bigger guns. Shepherd is a big culprit and the fans do deserve better.

[Taffy]

I couldn't give a damn why they are so crap - long may it continue I say!!!

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

I think the top and bottom of it is Freddy Shepherd, him and their board? have the final say in who the manager is, and they've picked some turkey's recently. They board authorizes ridiculous amounts of cash to be splashed on players that they aren't their number one priority. Let's face it they've spent the last 2 summers buying strikers and attacking players, when they've got one of the shittest defenses in the league, but they back their shit managers decisions to the hilt, until it comes time to fire them.

So basically they'll carry on going through the manager merry go round, until either there's a shakeup on the board, or they get lucky and hire a decent manager who can take them places.

Spot on. The chairman picks the managers, who sign the players.

Just look at Newcastle's worst example of recent times; Shepherd - Souness - Boumsong £8m. :haha:

[red g]

Spot on. The chairman picks the managers, who sign the players.

Just look at Newcastle's worst example of recent times; Shepherd - Souness - Boumsong £8m. :haha:


hmmm bungsong more like!!!

[Howard_lfc]

hmmm bungsong more like!!!

Surely not! :D

[hockin_monster]

This is their spend on players purchased at over £4m in the last 10 years. Now ask your self again. Where has it all gone wrong?????

Michael Owen Forward Real Madrid £17,000,000
Alan Shearer Forward Blackburn Rovers £15,000,000
Obafemi Martins Forward Inter Milan £10,000,000
Laurent Robert Midfielder Paris St Germain £9,500,000
Albert Luque Forward Deportivo £9,500,000
Jonathan Woodgate Defender Leeds United £9,000,000
Hugo Miguel Viana Midfielder Sporting Lisbon £8,500,000
Duncan Ferguson Forward from Everton £8,000,000
Jean Alain Boumsong Defender Rangers £8,000,000
Tino Asprilla Forward Parma (Italy) £7,500,000
Carl Cort Forward Wimbledon £7,000,000
Scott Parker Midfielder Chelsea £6,500,000
Kieron Dyer Midfielder from Ipswich Town £6,000,000
Craig Bellamy Forward Coventry City £6,000,000
Elena Marcelino Defender from Real Mallorca £5,800,000
Gary Speed Midfielder Everton £5,500,000
James Milner Midfielder Leeds United £5,000,000
Jermaine Jenas Midfielder Nottingham Forest £5,000,000
Damien Duff Midfielder Chelsea £5,000,000
Alain Goma Defender from Paris St.Germain £4,700,000
Alessandro Pistone Defender Inter Milan £4,500,000
Dietmar Hamann Midfielder Bayern Munich £4,500,000
Titus Bramble Defender Ipswich Town £4,500,000
Cristian Bassedas Midfielder Velez Sarsfield £4,130,000
Didier Domi Defender from Paris St. Germain £4,000,000

That's £180m. Let's point out some really feck up's here ....

Goma £4.7m
Bassedas £4.13m
Domi £4m
Marcelinio £5.7m
Viana £8.5m
Luque £9.5m
Robert £9.5m
Boumsong £8m

That's £54M spent on players who have contributed less feck all. And their just the foreign ones. The jury is still out on Martins. Let's go closer to home ....

Owen £17m
Cort £8m
Ferguson £8m
Bramble £4.5m

STOP STOP STOP. It's far easier to name the ones ended up justifying their transfer fees:

Shearer £15m (legend)
Hamann £4.5m (played well and they made some money on him)
Jenas £5m (as above)
Woodgate £9m (piece of transfer genius that, £4m profit on someone who did next to feck all for them)

Jury's still out on Parker, Dyer and Duff.

There's you fecking problem. Hemorrhaging cash like it grew on trees on players that for most of the time were only better than average.

Not that we're any better .....

Diouf
Heskey
Cisse

But at least we've won something :)

[WILF]

Thanks for the informative post Hockin

All clubs make mistakes with transfers ,but as you highlighted NUFC make more than most.

Big ground with high attendances, large transfer budgets, no trophies, often laughed at.
Makes you glad that we have got Moores and Parry ,despite their limitations ,doesn't it?

[TheStig]

But at least we've won something :)

Won more than just "something" in that time :D :handshake: .

[Howard_lfc]

This is their spend on players purchased at over £4m in the last 10 years. Now ask your self again. Where has it all gone wrong?????

Michael Owen Forward Real Madrid £17,000,000
Alan Shearer Forward Blackburn Rovers £15,000,000
Obafemi Martins Forward Inter Milan £10,000,000
Laurent Robert Midfielder Paris St Germain £9,500,000
Albert Luque Forward Deportivo £9,500,000
Jonathan Woodgate Defender Leeds United £9,000,000
Hugo Miguel Viana Midfielder Sporting Lisbon £8,500,000
Duncan Ferguson Forward from Everton £8,000,000
Jean Alain Boumsong Defender Rangers £8,000,000
Tino Asprilla Forward Parma (Italy) £7,500,000
Carl Cort Forward Wimbledon £7,000,000
Scott Parker Midfielder Chelsea £6,500,000
Kieron Dyer Midfielder from Ipswich Town £6,000,000
Craig Bellamy Forward Coventry City £6,000,000
Elena Marcelino Defender from Real Mallorca £5,800,000
Gary Speed Midfielder Everton £5,500,000
James Milner Midfielder Leeds United £5,000,000
Jermaine Jenas Midfielder Nottingham Forest £5,000,000
Damien Duff Midfielder Chelsea £5,000,000
Alain Goma Defender from Paris St.Germain £4,700,000
Alessandro Pistone Defender Inter Milan £4,500,000
Dietmar Hamann Midfielder Bayern Munich £4,500,000
Titus Bramble Defender Ipswich Town £4,500,000
Cristian Bassedas Midfielder Velez Sarsfield £4,130,000
Didier Domi Defender from Paris St. Germain £4,000,000

That's £180m. Let's point out some really feck up's here ....

Goma £4.7m
Bassedas £4.13m
Domi £4m
Marcelinio £5.7m
Viana £8.5m
Luque £9.5m
Robert £9.5m
Boumsong £8m

That's £54M spent on players who have contributed less feck all. And their just the foreign ones. The jury is still out on Martins. Let's go closer to home ....

Owen £17m
Cort £8m
Ferguson £8m
Bramble £4.5m

STOP STOP STOP. It's far easier to name the ones ended up justifying their transfer fees:

Shearer £15m (legend)
Hamann £4.5m (played well and they made some money on him)
Jenas £5m (as above)
Woodgate £9m (piece of transfer genius that, £4m profit on someone who did next to feck all for them)

Jury's still out on Parker, Dyer and Duff.

There's you fecking problem. Hemorrhaging cash like it grew on trees on players that for most of the time were only better than average.



Great stats HM - but you really should get a life !! :D :handshake:

Seriously - that's one almighty bundle of cash considering it wasn't accompanied by a single tin of brasso.

H

[Neil Young]

I can't help feeling that Newcastle's relative geographical remoteness is part of the problem. I travel all over the country quite regularly and there are some places that really do feel very different from elsewhere. Liverpool is definitely one but but its proximity to Manchester and all those old Lancashire mill towns means it's not isolated, unlike places like East Anglia, Cornwall and the North-east.

OK, Newcastle has got Sunderland and Middlebrough close by but everyone knows it is the biggest city around, capital of the region so to speak. In terms of the football club they're happy enough being top NE club rather than the best in the whole country. That's why myths like "Newcastle is a big club" are so dear to them and ironically also so damaging because it lets the pressure off the board of directors for underperformance.

I'd be grateful to anyone who can think through this theory with a little more clarity.

[Howard_lfc]

I can't help feeling that Newcastle's relative geographical remoteness is part of the problem. I travel all over the country quite regularly and there are some places that really do feel very different from elsewhere. Liverpool is definitely one but but its proximity to Manchester and all those old Lancashire mill towns means it's not isolated, unlike places like East Anglia, Cornwall and the North-east.

OK, Newcastle has got Sunderland and Middlebrough close by but everyone knows it is the biggest city around, capital of the region so to speak. In terms of the football club they're happy enough being top NE club rather than the best in the whole country. That's why myths like "Newcastle is a big club" are so dear to them and ironically also so damaging because it lets the pressure off the board of directors for underperformance.

I'd be grateful to anyone who can think through this theory with a little more clarity.

It may be nice to be the biggest/best team in the region but surely that would wear off pretty quickly when you start casting envious eyes towards Liverpool, Manchester and London.

Newcastle lacks leadership at the top - and everything else is a consequence of this.

[Rowan]

I live in Newcastle and have done all my life and frankly I will be devastated if they ever win anything. They have the most one dimensional set of fans I have ever come across. Ultimately the only thing they have to cling on to is the "best fans" tag they have given themselves but never seem to notice that you get fuck all for singing. May they all rot in eternal damnation for their blinkered, deluded, idiotic and frankly self obsessed football fundimentalism!

[Neil Young]

It may be nice to be the biggest/best team in the region but surely that would wear off pretty quickly when you start casting envious eyes towards Liverpool, Manchester and London.

Newcastle lacks leadership at the top - and everything else is a consequence of this.

But that's the point, they don't cast their eyes anywhere. Big fish, small pond.

[Howard_lfc]

But that's the point, they don't cast their eyes anywhere. Big fish, small pond.

They must do. Do you really think that they don't care that they haven't won a bean since 1969? Honestly? They'd sell their own mothers if it meant they could win a trophy!! All this bigging themselves up to be super fans is merely a defence mechanism to take away the pain of the realisation that they're a small club with a decent ground and plenty of local support.